Liverpool Football Club Thread

[angel]

Times change too. Liverpool is a 'big' club in stature, but we've not won the real quiz

office joke? nice work

[Istanbul]

A small team on the south coast, who have had a few decent seasons, and may well have a few more...are in no way comparable to the global powerhouse of Liverpool Football Club.

It's hardly just about league position in a few isolated seasons, and to suggest so, shows either a severe lack of knowledge in regards to the footballing world or an obvious mental lapse on the topic.

If you are going around comparing Liverpool to Southampton, all tribalism and banter aside, you are quite frankly an idiot.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you are.

[PaB]

A small team on the south coast, who have had a few decent seasons, and may well have a few more...are in no way comparable to the global powerhouse of Liverpool Football Club.

It's hardly just about league position in a few isolated seasons, and to suggest so, shows either a severe lack of knowledge in regards to the footballing world or an obvious mental lapse on the topic.

If you are going around comparing Liverpool to Southampton, all tribalism and banter aside, you are quite frankly an idiot.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you are.

2009-10 7th

2010-11 6th

2011-12 8th

2012-13 7th

2013-14 2nd

2014-15 6th

On recent history, 5th,6th,7th is the best you can hope for. On recent history, Southampton are your direct rivals. If Liverpool is a "global powerhouse" they have done fuck all with it.

Liverpool , at one point, was the most feared team in the land. That was a long time ago. Now you're just another tricky away fixture, and a team you fancy a chance of beating at home.

[glb]

I don't think it's idiocy to compare the current Liverpool side to Southampton. Global fan base is incomparable but that resource isn't infinite; its fed by success and right now we're also rans.

We're in a band of clubs striving to become a top four side. We were there for a while but have slipped in recent years and I don't think we look particularly likely to rejoin that fold. We were utterly hopeless in Europe this past season, and in every significant game of the season bar perhaps Man City at home and Chelsea away we came out second best.

Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to revel in the club's history, and proud to have witnessed some great nights like Istanbul but those are fleeting and dwindling remnants of a once truly great side. We are nothing of the sort any more, we're just on the fringes telling old fables around a campfire while the real victors revel in the actual prizes they've won.

[JohnnyNolan]

You're still acting like a dick.

Liverpool are a big name, but as stated aren't in the top tier of clubs just now and could quite easily go backwards as well as forwards. History is one thing, but the fact is the glory days are now so long in the past that the younger players coming through would have been born after them.

Let's face it fans are looking at least season wondering where we go from here. I'm pretty sure players (signing targets) will be thinking the same.

[carlito]

Liverpool are a big club like Newcastle are a big club.

In terms of success going forward I wouldn't think there is any reason at all to think you would be better off at Liverpool than Saints.

[Istanbul]

2009-10 7th

2010-11 6th

2011-12 8th

2012-13 7th

2013-14 2nd

2014-15 6th

On recent history, 5th,6th,7th is the best you can hope for. On recent history, Southampton are your direct rivals. If Liverpool is a "global powerhouse" they have done fuck all with it.

Liverpool , at one point, was the most feared team in the land. That was a long time ago. Now you're just another tricky away fixture, and a team you fancy a chance of beating at home.

Honestly can't believe I'm debating with someone who believes Southampton are comparable to Liverpool and seems to be continually basing that comparison on league position...for the last 2 years...

But I'll play regarding the above. Fancy giving me the league positions for Liverpool for the last 6 years, 3 of which Southampton weren't literally in the same league. Two of which when Southampton were two divisions below Liverpool.

So really, you're basing this on the last 2 years. One of which when Liverpool nearly won the league, competed in the Champions League and reached the semi finals of two cups. And that's just the playing side. Not to mention the off field considerations you are neglecting.

It is madness. Absolute madness. There really is no point in continuing with it at this point.

[carlito]

I wonder what Man City's league positions were in the six years preceding their first cash renaissance league title.

[Timmo]

Liverpool are a fading star. The glory-hunting supporters who chose them in the 70s and 80s are getting older and glory-supporting youngsters are choosing other clubs to follow. Getting into the top 4 again would be staggering, pretty much. Suarez almost dragged them to unlikely glory but it wasn't to be, and the money has been wasted.

[PaB]

Honestly can't believe I'm debating with someone who believes Southampton are comparable to Liverpool and seems to be continually basing that comparison on league position...for the last 2 years...

But I'll play regarding the above. Fancy giving me the league positions for Liverpool for the last 6 years, 3 of which Southampton weren't literally in the same league. Two of which when Southampton were two divisions below Liverpool.

So really, you're basing this on the last 2 years. One of which when Liverpool nearly won the league, competed in the Champions League and reached the semi finals of two cups. And that's just the playing side. Not to mention the off field considerations you are neglecting.

It is madness. Absolute madness. There really is no point in continuing with it at this point.

No, I am basing Liverpools position on the last 6 years. Liverpool are fighting for 5,6,7& 8th. On recent form (and if you aren't going on current/very recent form, then you're doing it wrong). Southampton are fighting for the same positions, realistically.

All your worldwide global power bollocks counts for fuck all. It didn't magically put you up the league this year did it? Fact is, you are attracting second tier players from here on in, until you can get back in the champions league. You talk about signing Clyne as if it would be a no brainer for him. The only reason he would go to Liverpool is if they are offering silly money and United, City. Arsenal or Chelsea, or indeed a top European club aren't showing interest.

Liverpool are in the second tier of clubs in the premier league. One that includes, Spurs, Southampton and Everton. If you think Liverpool past glories and successes a decade a go mean that isn't true, then by all means carry on with your delusion. If everyone thinks that way then Liverpool will stay exactly as they are.

[Istanbul]

Going around in circles. If you think any player on the planet would chose Southampton over Liverpool, then more the fool you.

But...I'll carry on in my supposed delusion, and you carry on in yours.

No more needs to be said.

[SaintM]

Going around in circles. If you think any player on the planet would chose Southampton over Liverpool, then more the fool you.

But...I'll carry on in my supposed delusion, and you carry on in yours.

No more needs to be said.

Money talks. If they can offer more money then players will join, you are right that's common sense.

But if Saints continue to rise and LFC continue to stagnate, then that gap becomes ever smaller...

Maybe Clyne does see his future at a bigger club, but I'd suggest that jumping too early and to a team that isn't much of a step up would be doing him a disservice. He's better off staying for another year and then joining a top four team on a free.

[Oh Danny Boy]

Liverpool are a fading star. The glory-hunting supporters who chose them in the 70s and 80s are getting older and glory-supporting youngsters are choosing other clubs to follow. Getting into the top 4 again would be staggering, pretty much. Suarez almost dragged them to unlikely glory but it wasn't to be, and the money has been wasted.

It's the lazy argument that haters always throw at Liverpool, you are rubbish without Gerrard, Torres, Suarez... yawn.

Suarez was also amazing the previous season. We finished 7th. One great player doesn't make a team but is the cherry on the cake of a very good one.

[PaB]

Going around in circles. If you think any player on the planet would chose Southampton over Liverpool, then more the fool you.

But...I'll carry on in my supposed delusion, and you carry on in yours.

No more needs to be said.

I haven't argued that point. I have said that a player would stop and think before leaving Southampton and joining Liverpool unless there was silly money involved and no offer from a top tier club.

I have also argued against your fairly typical entitled "big" club mentality.

[bear]

Liverpool are a big club like Newcastle are a big club.

In terms of success going forward I wouldn't think there is any reason at all to think you would be better off at Liverpool than Saints.

Simply put, money.

We may not like it but its a well established trend that more money equals more success. Liverpool have a lot more money than Southampton so they should be more successful. You'll occasionally get teams that buck the trend for a few years but ultimately money is king.

Obviously, that's also why Liverpool will have such a hard time trying to get into the Champions League going forward.

[Oh Danny Boy]

Southampton are a direct rival to Liverpool for 5th,6th,7th in the premier league. What, you think Liverpool are going to be challenging the big four next year?

Liverpool should have won the league the previous season and that United secured fourth through the failure of Liverpool and Spurs this season as much as their own success. But nope you're right that top four is completely untouchable we might as well throw in the towel now.

[PaB]

Liverpool should have won the league the previous season and that United secured fourth through the failure of Liverpool and Spurs this season as much as their own success. But nope you're right that top four is completely untouchable we might as well throw in the towel now.

For next season? You are not going to break into the top four. The best you can hope for is fifth IMO

To say United secured 4th through the failure of other teams is fucking idiotic when talking about a league competition. By that logic Chelsea won the league because other teams did some losing.

[gospvg]

I think it is too early to decide on if we can break into the top four or not, we need to see how we do in the transfer window first (hopefully better than last season).

[Timmo]

Pochettino and Rodgers will be locked in battle all season, trying to do enough to not get sacked whilst not qualifying for the Europa League.

[Oh Danny Boy]

For next season? You are not going to break into the top four. The best you can hope for is fifth IMO

To say United secured 4th through the failure of other teams is fucking idiotic when talking about a league competition. By that logic Chelsea won the league because other teams did some losing.

Where would United be with their points total in previous seasons? It is as much down to the failure of their rivals that allowed them to limp into fourth.

I must have that crystal ball you are using... guys listen up next season is over already, Pete said so

[PaB]

Where would United be with their points total in previous seasons? It is as much down to the failure of their rivals that allowed them to limp into fourth.

This is actually mental when talking about a league competition of 38 games. Every single place is on merit, not because of what your opponents have or haven't done, you get the position you deserve.

[JohnnyNolan]

Where would United be with their points total in previous seasons? It is as much down to the failure of their rivals that allowed them to limp into fourth.

I must have that crystal ball you are using... guys listen up next season is over already, Pete said so

United took fourth fair and square. True they weren't great, but when the hell are the fourth team great? Liverpool, Spurs and United all dropped points at the end of the season. United to their favour didn't really ever come under any pressure from those results after beating us to clear some space in fourth.

I think we'll struggle for top four next season unless the clubs above have disastrous summers. Our signing policy over the last 20 years doesn't make me think we'll do enough in one summer to see us sort our problems and let's be honest United will be signing players to go for the title not fourth.

[Istanbul]

I have also argued against your fairly typical entitled "big" club mentality.

As opposed to the 'small club' mentality of having a massive chip on your shoulder. All the time. About everything. More obsessed with the bigger clubs around you than supporting your own team, as is clearly evident in this thread.

[Shimmyhill]

Its pretty simple, Liverpool are a more attractive club to play for than Southampton much like Man U, Man City, Arsenal & Chelsea are a more attractive club to play for than Liverpool.

The reasons are pretty simple too, Liverpool will offer more money and more realistic long term prospects than Southampton the same for the other clubs over Liverpool.

I would say Spurs are more attractive than Liverpool these days due to location and league position over these last 6 years but doubt it will go down well, I will say happily with conviction that Liverpool and Spurs are attractive clubs before a big team comes in both domestically and in Europe and both are living proof of that in recent times.

To put it blunt I fear that Loris could end up at Man U this summer but have no worries he will sign for Liverpool.

[JamesTW]

Better not show them any Tottenham v Liverpool matches though eh Shimmy?

[Shimmyhill]

Better not show them any Tottenham v Liverpool matches though eh Shimmy?

We lost those battles but won the war

Great game the last one was tho, always entertaining when we play even if we have a habit of getting toned of late!

[dogsout]

There have been some quite ridiculous posts in here today.

Moving on, it seems that, rather predictably, Rodgers is safe for now. Apparently a comprehensive plan to take the club forward was agreed upon in the meeting today. What do we make of this?

Benteke and Milner both look fairly likely (Milner much more so). Sterling wants away. Is he going to go back to the plan that got him the job in the first place? I've been asking this question for quite a while now but the types of players we're being linked with now has me wondering. Benteke in particular. I wonder how he sees the midfield setting up? Probably too early to talk about this, to be fair. I'm guessing 4-3-3 / 4-4-2 diamond, based on the assumption that we'll be adding three new strikers to the squad this summer.

[JamesTW]

I was ok to go another year even after the Villa game but the Hull, Palace, Stoke games were just so shocking I thought it had gone past the point of return, he definately needs a good start

[hmm]

I think Benteke is a good Premiership striker, and frankly I'd welcome signing literally anyone if it means we won't see Balotelli standing around moodily for 90 minutes for us again, but I don't see how he fits into what I assume is still the intended style of play. For that kind of money we really don't need another square peg in a Suarez-shaped hole. As Sherwood (for once) astutely observed, the guy thrives on crosses and we put it one good cross every two months, and that was usually from Gerrard.

I think Milner would be a good signing though. I'm surprised City are letting him go, especially with Yaya Toure having retired last year.

[humdrum]

City aren't letting him go though, they are trying to get him to sign a new contract which he is refusing to do.

It could all be a ploy to get more money out of city though I guess...