FTL5 - FIFAscum - Day 4 - Game over

[MardiganX]

Sepp can sack someone himself or send someone to do it yeah??

That means, if Wincho did indeed visit Pants and Pants was sacked as a result of this visit then either Wincho was instructed to do so by Sepp or..... Wincho is Sepp??

<insert cliffhanger ending music here>

[Timmo]

Indeed.

If the jamin vote goes through then sith should follow Wincho, and the lawyer should protect sith.

[Jamin]

Wow, drive home from work has led to a whole page of stuff.

First things first, I am a Vanilla guy I don't have any powers at all. That fact alone means that either a) Sith is lying, or b) Pants visited me and I was shielded by the Lawyer. The fact Sith says I visited Pants is 100% false!

Assume what I've said above is correct and true. The puzzling thing is if Sith IS lying, why is he lying? Why did he reveal himself to be the Follower unnecessarily. The only advantage of this is to protect himself as he's a member of FIFA.

If he is lying when he says he's the follower then someone else here must be the follower - if that person can own up then we know 100% Sith is lying and presumably Sith therefore is Sepp/Platini.

I'll have a read of the other posts properly in a bit as out for an hour or so shortly, but felt the need to post the above quickly as people are pointing the finger. However I can only say what I've just said - I'm not a FIFAscum and some clever games are being played here...

Edit: I see Manic has popped up with another late vote for the frontrunner. Same as with Al and Graham. They were Vanilla too

[Rocafella]

I'll retract my vote for now, still a lot more dicussion to be had.

[Baring]

Oh Jamin, nice defence but its clear now.

Is Jamin or Sith lying?

To be fair mate if you're vanilla as you say then we can sacrifice you and then if Sith is lying and we can get him tomorrow.

I really would like to know if someone else is the follower.

We have another day of discussions so lets not get anyone sacked tonight.

[Baring]

Sith WHO did you follow each night and what were the exact results from Steelys pm?

Ie:

Night 1:

You CHOSE to follow Jamin

Result: Jamin visited Pants tonight

Night 2:

you CHOSE to follow Wincho

Result: Wincho visited Pants tonight.

If thats all true as above then surely Wincho is the sacker also?

Like i said earlier, we could have both the bad guys in 1 pot.

Or Sith is lying or Wincho/Jamin have other roles (although Jamin claims Vanilla)

Oh, I've one question for Sith which could be crucial.

On night 2, did you follow Wincho or Pants?

Come on Sith

[Timmo]

We've got either Sith or Jamin here. Just need to decide which. I'm sticking with my Jamin vote for now.

If Sith followed Pants and not Wincho I think I'm right in saying that proves Wincho's guilt.

[MardiganX]

You are right about the Sith scenario Jamin and as I said earlier if the 'real' investigator is laying low then its time to step in here.

At this point a few things can happen -

1 - Nobody else comes forward an therefore Sith is confirmed as the investigator as there is now no benefit in the investigator laying low at this point.

2 - If someone else comes forward then its a straight toss up between them and Sith as scum.

No doubt there are other scenarios but I am posting on my phone, its 400 degrees in my car and I need to get out before I suffocate. Discuss...

[Baring]

You're mixing up Follower and Investigator.

The Investigator should NOT reveal.

Sith is a simple pervy follower.

We've got either Sith or Jamin here. Just need to decide which. I'm sticking with my Jamin vote for now.

If Sith followed Pants and not Wincho I think I'm right in saying that proves Wincho's guilt.

What do you mean about Sith following Pants?

Surely if he followed Wincho go VISIT Pants for his sacking then that proves Winch is guilty?

[Rocafella]

You're mixing up Follower and Investigator.

The Investigator should NOT reveal.

Sith is a simple pervy follower.

Yep. If the real follower is out there, they need to come forward.

[MardiganX]

Read what I said at the top Baring... If Pants sacking was a result of Winchos visit then he was either sent by Sepp or is the man himself. Is there any other way Pants could have got sacked other than Sepp targetting him?

[Baring]

I'm off out for the evening so wont be back on til late.

Lets get some info from Sith/Jamin/Winch before deciding anything.

[MardiganX]

Sorry man, the follower. Posts crossing over here cause we all going at same time and getting confusing

Right now I believe Wincho is the head of the snake but we should continue with the Sith detail.

[Timmo]

You're mixing up Follower and Investigator.

The Investigator should NOT reveal.

Sith is a simple pervy follower.

What do you mean about Sith following Pants?

Surely if he followed Wincho go VISIT Pants for his sacking then that proves Winch is guilty?

I'm with you, I think you're right. I assumed following pants would show his visitors, but it probably only shows who pants visits, right?

If sith followed Wincho, Wincho sacked pants, UNLESS more than one person visited pants, in which case it may or may not be Wincho. The lawyer didn't visit though, as that would have saved pants.

[Cary Brown]

Even a can see sith is dodgy and that is saying something

[Wincho]

Right I need some help please people

I am going to read through this whole thread shortly so that I understand what is going on. It's infuriating the fuck out of me that don't get it (getting things is kind of 'my thing') but a combination of work during the day (which is never normally as busy as it's been this week) and then the transfer thread in the evening (coupled with 1v1 league games, Champions league games and BAP fixtures) mean I still haven't had any time to give myself a fighting chance of understanding the game and my role in it

I've seen over the last page of posts something about me (or Jamin) 'visiting' Pants who I understand has been sacked, but cannot for the life of me see the post that puts me in the frame for that and as such can't really provide a defence

I'm going to go back and start from the beginning and no idea when voting starts / ends but will say this - by all means sack me for my lack of posting (it doesn't help the game at all) but ffs don't sack me for some smartass suggesting I've one something with nothing to back it up. Don't do me like that man - I'll wanna go out warrior style

Sith really isn't helping me understand things either btw - unsure whether his inane posts are actually real clues or him just being a dick and knowing no more about the game than I do

[Cary Brown]

Right I need some help please people

I am going to read through this whole thread shortly so that I understand what is going on. It's infuriating the fuck out of me that don't get it (getting things is kind of 'my thing') but a combination of work during the day (which is never normally as busy as it's been this week) and then the transfer thread in the evening (coupled with 1v1 league games, Champions league games and BAP fixtures) mean I still haven't had any time to give myself a fighting chance of understanding the game and my role in it

I've seen over the last page of posts something about me (or Jamin) 'visiting' Pants who I understand has been sacked, but cannot for the life of me see the post that puts me in the frame for that and as such can't really provide a defence

I'm going to go back and start from the beginning and no idea when voting starts / ends but will say this - by all means sack me for my lack of posting (it doesn't help the game at all) but ffs don't sack me for some smartass suggesting I've one something with nothing to back it up. Don't do me like that man - I'll wanna go out warrior style

Sith really isn't helping me understand things either btw - unsure whether his inane posts are actually real clues or him just being a dick and knowing no more about the game than I do

lol

[Timmo]

If people think sith is dodgy then we sack him. If people don't we sack jamin. They implicate each other directly. Either way we win. We must sack one though. I hope there's enough around tomorrow for the vote to go through.

[Steely]

6 votes required to lynch someone.

[MardiganX]

If Sith is lying then we need the real follower to make themselves known. Doing this is vital to us, the FMA, so if you are out there covering up then like I have said before... get your tits out.

Otherwise Sith needs to elaborate and allow us to make a clear, decisive vote.

Wincho, I want to believe you but I honestly can't see you going into ANYTHING without a firm grasp of all its intricacies. Your only saving grace right now is that you are following the same apathetic pattern as Graham and Al because you only have a vanilla role but there is only very slim chance that is the case in my opinion.

[Wincho]

Right -

I am the FMA Private Investigator (NB - FMA Lawyer, I need your protection in the nights now please after exposing myself like this)

I am also the one who has been offered a bribe by Sepp of 2 magic sponges if I can rally us to sack Baring - I have told Sepp he can suck my cock

Baring is a good guy. I found this out the first night. Do not sack him. He is the reason we are winning this thing

Sith is telling the truth - I did visit Pants last night and was told he was the agent. This means he is likely to be telling the truth about Jamin visiting Pants too, which in turn means Jamin must be FIFA

I don't post much but what I do is golden, lets win this thing now

I vote Jamin

[Rocafella]

Brilliant

Right, so it's looking like it played out the way Timmo said. Jamin visited Pants the first night as Fifa investigator, and then Fifa sacked him the next day after he got Pompey.

[Wincho]

Wincho, I want to believe you but I honestly can't see you going into ANYTHING without a firm grasp of all its intricacies. Your only saving grace right now is that you are following the same apathetic pattern as Graham and Al because you only have a vanilla role but there is only very slim chance that is the case in my opinion.

Nope - very unusual for me granted but genuinely not a fucking clue until the last half an hour or so

[Timmo]

Be wary of Wincho. If he is Sepp he knows Jamin is for the chop and is protecting himself. If someone else is the investigator you absolutely must reveal yourself.

[Wincho]

Jamin is the FIFA investigator as he visited Pants (according to Sith who also said I did which is true, confirming he must be the FMA Follower)

Jamin's only defence would be to declare himself the FMA Investigator and switch the whole thing I posted around the other way - unfortunately for him he declared himself Vanilla earlier and tried to say it was Sith who was lying and that he (Jamin) didn't visit anyone

I have confirmed Sith's story - I did visit Pants as the FMA PI

That means the next person to come in here and declare himself the FMA Investigator is actually Sepp himself (The FMA gang would have no cause to lie) and we will have them both

I also have no cause to lie about being offered the sponge bribe - anyone else want to come in and say they got offered it - Jamin? Sepp? .....no I thought not

[Rocafella]

But if Jamin is vanilla like he says, it wouldn't be the end of the world and would give us a lot of info.

[Jamin]

Reading it through then it really looks like I'll be for the chop tonight/tomorrow night, but all I can say again is to consider that if I am a Vanilla FMA guy and I've had no PMs about owt at all (not even this Pants visit, which leads me to assume Sith fabricated it/it was blocked as said before - can the Lawyer confirm/deny this?!), and with that in mind I can only assume that Sith/Winch are allying themselves together because they are the last two FIFA members and in sending me to my doom are also hoping to 'cement' all you guys into thinking they are FMA.

Sith has made up a Pants visit to myself (or like I say it did happen but it was blocked), Sith has then implicated Wincho with a made-up trip to see Pants, which Winch has now confirmed. All the meantime I'm being sold up shit creek.

If I'm dead tonight avenge me. But remember that I told you I was FMA! If you want to keep up the FMA numbers I really urge you all to consider the alternative to me being a FIFA guy and vote Sith, and therefore presumably Winch (I can't get my head around his motives if he isn't FIFA). If Sith isn't FIFA then obviously you just go for me the next evening if he isn't FMA. But as I say I can't see how he can't be FIFA, unless he's being manipulated by Sepp in some manner.

[Wincho]

Sith said me and Jamin visited Pants (which would make Sith the Follower)

Jamin said Sith is lying and that he was vanilla

I say Sith got it right - I did visit Pants as I am the FMA PI

There are only two options here -

1) Jamin is in fact lying and is FIFA Investigator

2) Sith and I are the remaining two FIFASCUM

Why would I coroboate Sith's story, putting the pair of us on the same team if we were the only two baddies left?

Why would I make it up that I received the bribe? (No-one else as claimed to have received it)

Why isn't ayone else declaring they are the FMA PI (Anyone who does is Sepp by the way)

I have one more nugget that would prove I am the FMA PI but it would mean exposing another FMA power player (I'd have had him sacked if I was FIFA and found it out wouldn't I?) but I am loathed to let it be known given the facts above leave little doubt that Jamin is Platini and we only have Sepp left to get

[Rocafella]

After hearing Sith/Jamin/Wincho give their 2 cents, I'm going to cast my vote for Jamin. If Jamin is vanilla, we don't lose anything and if he's Fifa, we've got them bang against the ropes. Worth the risk IMO.

[Steely]

Vote count.

Jamin 5 - Wincho, Baring, Sith, Timmo, Manic

This was done on my phone, but I think thats right?

6 to votes ends the day.

Add Roca. Thats 6. Day 3 has ended.