PlayStation 4 Console Thread

[NecroMorrius]

Yeah but legitimate MP3 albums don't cost £15 more than the CD versions.

Tell me about it

I'm adding everyone on the PS4 friends list today - expect an invite from morrius-psn (or something like that!)

Do you guys think we should dedicate certain nights to certain games? We could have a warframe night, a battlefield night, a NFS night, a blacklight night etc.

[Dandy_Sephy]

That's right. But you do have to be signed into the correct login to play your PS Plus content.

Um, on ps3 this isn't the case. I mix and match UK and JP PS+ all the time. I can even use the same download on two machines at once by signing into each account on separate machines. As long as the account that owns the content is on the system it should work. On pS4 we can't test it yet but based on what Sony have said it shouldn't change.

PS+ full game trials do need to be signed in correctly, but that's a special case due to the unusual drm on them.

[NecroMorrius]

This topic has been done to death but since it keeps cropping back up.

I personally can't wait for the digital future where every game is £60 and i can't sell games that i don't like, sounds great.

I can't be held accountable for consoles being utterly half-assed in this regard.

Steam digital is cheap. New releases are usually in the £25 range except where Activision and EA are concerned. it's competitive, it's more convenient. I hardly need to extol the virtues of Steam when we all know the benefits, so I won't go on! And with Origin, you can return games you don't like for a full refund within 24 hours. Both services continue to grow and expand, borrowing features from each other.

At least the next-gen seems to be interested in getting everything out day-one digital. That's a step up.

[Wiper]

To whoever was talking about input lag in Remote Play, I played some Resogun in bed last night and got a new high score. Seems absolutely fine somehow.

That was me - if that's really the case then colour me impressed. I'm sure I'll get to find out when I eventually get a PS4 (I already have a Vita and PS+, after all), but I'm genuinely surprised that lag hasn't been noticeable in a game like Resogun.

[NecroMorrius]

I keep hearing "zero lag" in podcasts and stuff. AC4 is very impressive apparently.

[mr_woo]

You won't be able to play a US PSN purchased copy of Battlefield 4 on an EU PSN account, unless you have PS Plus on both accounts. This is the only downside with Sony forcing us to need to buy Plus for Online gaming access now, it didn't matter on the PS3.

Personally, I'm going to have my US PSN account as my PS Plus enabled Online account and have my EU as the offline, single player, non-PS Plus retail/rented game account.

I thought it was the case on PS4 that every account on the system has access to PS Plus if the master account has it ?

Looks like a hybrid hard disk is the way to go in terms of upgrades. Doubt I'll be upgrading straight away but certainly something to consider.

[omus]

Supposedly on a direct connection the lag will be less than some TVs' input lag.

Even over a home network, i imagine it will only be be a couple of ms more.

[F-zero]

I can't be held accountable for consoles being utterly half-assed in this regard.

Steam digital is cheap. New releases are usually in the £25 range except where Activision and EA are concerned. it's competitive, it's more convenient. I hardly need to extol the virtues of Steam when we all know the benefits, so I won't go on! And with Origin, you can return games you don't like for a full refund within 24 hours. Both services continue to grow and expand, borrowing features from each other.

At least the next-gen seems to be interested in getting everything out day-one digital. That's a step up.

Whatever, the fact is it isn't steam.

If the prices were the same as steam i wouldn't have a problem.

I'm still glad i can buy physical disks, i'm glad the choice exists.

[NecroMorrius]

Like I said, crappy digital is crappy digital.

[F-zero]

Like I said, crappy digital is crappy digital.

Well, we agree then

[NecroMorrius]

Yeah, you're not wrong! I'm just saying it's a shame. I don't like to take the attitude of "oh well it's crap, so I'll buy discs" because I've already had ten years of almost-always excellent digital distribution from someone else. From my perspective discs are a weird vestigial part of gaming, like codewheels and cloth maps. This is only the start of the generation though right? I want to see shops selling download codes (like green man gaming and amazon do for Steam) and getting into price wars

[Spacehost]

Amazon started selling US PlayStation Store downloads last week.

[NecroMorrius]

Yeah, I saw that. Didn't Kotaku have something to do with it? It seemed like they were sponsored to announce it somehow. I reallllllllllllly hope there's an EU version, or you can buy codes on US Amazon and redeem them on EU PSN accounts like you do with Steam. There's not much on there yet though.

[BarryL85]

From my perspective discs are a weird vestigial part of gaming, like codewheels and cloth maps.

In 20 years time when the servers and store for the PS4 is but a distant memory you will still be able to buy these awesome games on a disc on ebay.

We shouldn't underestimate the value of physical games.

[Wiper]

Good luck finding a PS4 in 20 years with a working disc drive, though...

*looks at multiple dead Saturns, Dreamcasts and thrice-drive-replaced Xbox sadly*

[Wickedkitten]

Yeah, you're not wrong! I'm just saying it's a shame. I don't like to take the attitude of "oh well it's crap, so I'll buy discs" because I've already had ten years of almost-always excellent digital distribution from someone else. From my perspective discs are a weird vestigial part of gaming, like codewheels and cloth maps. This is only the start of the generation though right? I want to see shops selling download codes (like green man gaming and amazon do for Steam) and getting into price wars

I miss cloth maps and codewheels

We've actually switched to digital in the past year purely because both of us play video games and with two consoles, it's cheaper than buying two physical copies.

[Eighthours]

We didn't, no. Actually I don't think Sony did one over here. They did a big celeb-studded launch party with the OXO Tower takeover but no press event. They're a necessarily evil sometimes (with print lead times being what they are) but I can't imagine ever doing an entire launch line-up in three days or whatever the US press had to do.

This is my biggest problem with the system so far. My PC lives under the telly and I've got so used to switching games without having to get up off the sofa. It's especially annoying because it installs the entire disc, so even though Knack's gobbling up 39GB I still have to get up and put the disc in if I want to play it.

To whoever was talking about input lag in Remote Play, I played some Resogun in bed last night and got a new high score. Seems absolutely fine somehow.

From the videos, remote play actually has less lag than a standard HDTV.

[NecroMorrius]

In 20 years time when the servers and store for the PS4 is but a distant memory you will still be able to buy these awesome games on a disc on ebay.

We shouldn't underestimate the value of physical games.

Wiper is right, the disc drives are the real problem here. Digital is probably a better way to preserve these games than on disc. Although I'm not too worried about playing Knack in 20 years time

[Boozy The Clown]

http://m.fastcodesign.com/3021802/innovation-by-design/the-design-studio-behind-xbox-reviews-the-playstation-4

Designers of the original Xbox 1 review the PS4 from a design perspective.

[Spacehost]

I'm really not sure that I can take someone who thought the design of the original Xbox was a good idea seriously, but I'll give it a read later.

[Wickedkitten]

Also if anyone is wanting the camera, Postabargain just tweeted that Gamestop are selling them for £39.97

http://www.gamestop.co.uk/PlayStation%204/Games/45031/playstation-4-camera

[mr_woo]

Wiper is right, the disc drives are the real problem here. Digital is probably a better way to preserve these games than on disc. Although I'm not too worried about playing Knack in 20 years time

It's funny in regards to Knack because a lot of people are really enjoying that in comparison to the reviews. Seeing lots of positive impressions.

As for digital I'm happy staying with physical media mostly for this gen until we get many more places selling digital codes and get some proper price wars going.

[Boozy The Clown]

I'm really not sure that I can take someone who thought the design of the original Xbox was a good idea seriously, but I'll give it a read later.

After reading it I doubt it's the same people.

[Nespresso]

Wiper is right, the disc drives are the real problem here. Digital is probably a better way to preserve these games than on disc. Although I'm not too worried about playing Knack in 20 years time

Digital is actually a less efficient way of preserving media. It deteriorates much more so than media stored on a physical medium. I recommend viewing Side by Side for more on that subject, albeit from the filmindustry's perspective.

[Wickedkitten]

It's funny in regards to Knack because a lot of people are really enjoying that in comparison to the reviews. Seeing lots of positive impressions.

As for digital I'm happy staying with physical media mostly for this gen until we get many more places selling digital codes and get some proper price wars going.

Yeah, obviously this will only be for the people that actually voted on metacritic, but the user score is a lot higher than the review score so it might actually be worth a play when it eventually comes to plus

[Harsin]

In my experience a lot of people will have launch goggles on, I still remember people arguing with a straight face that Perfect Dark Zero was actually really good.

[kiroquai]

It's funny in regards to Knack because a lot of people are really enjoying that in comparison to the reviews. Seeing lots of positive impressions.

As for digital I'm happy staying with physical media mostly for this gen until we get many more places selling digital codes and get some proper price wars going.

I watched a session of someone playing it on Twitch the other night and the guy playing it was really having a good time with it. The section I watched looked pretty cool too; nothing extraordinary or ground-breaking but good old action adventure stuff during which he was slapping goblins left, right and centre and throwing tanks at other tanks with EXPLOSIONS.

So yeah, I was expecting somewhere around the 6-7 mark and given its critical and user scores that seems to be the middle ground it's settled in. Was enough to convince me that I will enjoy it so I am keeping it in my pre-order list

[mr_woo]

I don't think anyones saying it's a brilliant masterpiece or anything, just that it's a fun throwback to PS1 platformers and that they enjoyed it. It's kinda funny reading GAF where many people are saying how much they enjoyed Knack whilst for Killzone a lot of folk are disappointed in how it's only one or two levels that are really open and the last few levels are supposed to be naff.

In my experience a lot of people will have launch goggles on, I still remember people arguing with a straight face that Perfect Dark Zero was actually really good.

Going into the 360/PS3 era I could agree with that but not really nowadays. Maybe, just maybe, folk are actually enjoying it

[Alex W.]

Err, the Xbox era wasn't exactly wanting for good FPSes.

[Harsin]

BF4 was probably going to be my 'main' PS4 game, but it's supposedly completely broken and missing the actual mode I want to play on PS4. I expcected DICE/EA to fuck-up the launch as they have every other BF console game, but they appear to have outdone themselves and reached new lows. This has taken the shine off my pre-oder somewhat.