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It looks quite a lot like Amazon got a shitty batch. It's certainly not good, but I wouldn't go assuming this is another 60% failure rate RROD situation and go cancelling yet, unless you have other reasons to. Just like any big hardware/game release, you can point to the official forums or the Amazon reviews and rightly claim that a large number of people are having problems. But what I've come to realise (usually while sitting on EA or Ubisoft forums getting angry at a game that won't boot, the latest being Blacklist) is that isolated issues can come off like an epidemic. "Everyone" having the same problem usually amounts to a percent of a percent, but gather in one place and make as much noise as possible. Stuck in the middle of it, you lose perspective. We're very lucky that we get a couple of weeks to monitor the situation and see what happens, I'll be following closely and won't be afraid to cancel if it truly is a big problem and not just a few isolated cases. I'm buying mine in a shop, so I simply won't buy it if the problem seems widespread.

Umm, Harsin, is that Verge review correct? From what I've seen when you're watching a multiplayer game, there's a big JOIN button in the middle that automatically puts you into their game if there's a slot. Did that change?

As for trophy syncing, it works a bit differently from PS3:

It looks like you can force a refresh if you want, rather than manually pulling down your trophy list every time you go into that part of the UI like the PS3 does (grrrrrrr). What I don't know is if new trophies are added automatically, say if you unlock one and immediately go into the trophies menu to take a look. It looks like trophy syncing takes about one second instead of the usual five minutes though, if that video is accurate.

A bit of info that might be useful for anyone here from the US who does has a day-one fucked edition: If you take it to the local Sony center, they should be able to replace it there and then instead of going through the retailer.

Hope everyone's PS4 is OK :(

Its still wank tho isn't it, the online looks crippled compared to the 360 - we arent even talking about the Xbone, its 8 years behind the competition is the issue :(

Having seen a few vids the UI looks lazy, its fast but suffers from Sony/Android syndrome of 'why have a few sets of menus when many with many sub menus will do' It just doesn't look very slick and the store looks as bad as ever.

I know this is all pretty uninteresting stuff to be looking at and taking about but i guess thats a reflection of the uninspiring launch line up, Sony have defi done an emperors new clothes with all the PR leading up to the launch - they need to back it up now and get the UI sorted, features back in and get ontop of the expected launch glitches.

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The tweeting of good vs bad amazon reviews is pissing me off.

If we guess 20000 orders were shipped by Amazon in the US.

There are 250 good vs 250 bad reviews.

Where are the other 19500 people? Presumably playing their PS4's as they are not (understandably) pissed off at getting a DOA machine after having taken a day off work etc.

So to me at the moment it is nothing more than a faulty batch with the usual failure rate.

I am not apologising for Sony as any failure is bad but you are ALWAYS going to get some and here they are really showing up.

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It looks quite a lot like Amazon got a shitty batch. It's certainly not good, but I wouldn't go assuming this is another 60% failure rate RROD situation and go cancelling yet, unless you have other reasons to.

That is highly wishful thinking given the evidence elsewhere. Broken consoles from Sony, broken consoles on GAF and SA, did they all come from the same batch?

People will always vent louder about bad things than good things but a near 1 in 2 ratio of bad reviews on Amazon does not look good at this point.

*sigh* I just don't know what to do.

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Harsin

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I think next Saturday is going to be crunch day for me. Get up, make a nice cup of Yorkshire Tea, eat some crunchy nut cornflakes, read a bunch of forums then make a decision. Only wish there was a big red button I could hover my hand over while being lit dramatically as ominous music played.

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And then hearing of things like still having to sync trophies and having to download and install separate patches for digitally bought games is really disappointing. At least before you could kind of attribute shonky stuff like this to their online being a free offering. But now they're charging like MS they really need to pull their socks up.

Having to download patches for digital releases isn't a Sony-exclusive thing though is it? I'm remember having to patch 360 digital titles.

Surely the issue is that they upload the package that's on the physical disc, followed by any associated patches. To include the patches would require the publisher to rebuild the main package every time they issued a patch wouldn't it?

I think the size and length of time to download patches on the PS3 was because of the PS3 filesystem or some such; hopefully it's more like the 360's approach to patching (deltas?)

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In terms of the OS, it boggles my mind that Sony still haven't got a grasp on simple stuff like this (from The Verge's review).

I think that makes it sound worse than it is, based on watching the Giant Bomb stream. For one there's several ways to easily join Friends and even see a snapshot of the match details from the OS before jumping in. I'm also not convinced contextual notification shortcuts are necessarily better, either: on 360 I'd sometimes get stuck pinballing between menus when I just wanted to bring up the main Guide.

There's a lot of scope for improvement in regards to the UI, but personally I'm happy with the basics: all the foundations I'd want are there, they just need to move certain things around and streamline use cases. It's a stark contrast to the PS3 which launched without so many core features by today's standards — background downloads, Trophies, in-game XMB, etc — so I would expect most niggles to be ironed out in the first few months rather than years.

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Chalk another one up for ready to cancel my pre-order based on the next couple of days news wise. Perhaps Sony have gone too far with the internal power brick and smaller casing.

The OS reviews are doing my head in too. Unbelievable that it's still deemed clunky.

Someone mentioned months ago in one of these threads that Sony can't do software. Beginning to see signs that may be the case rather than all these excuses they had last time because of "the file format of the OS".

I REALLY don't want to go through that whole download a game and then grab the patches business all over again.

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Its still wank tho isn't it, the online looks crippled compared to the 360 - we arent even talking about the Xbone, its 8 years behind the competition is the issue :(

Having seen a few vids the UI looks lazy, its fast but suffers from Sony/Android syndrome of 'why have a few sets of menus when many with many sub menus will do' It just doesn't look very slick and the store looks as bad as ever.

What do you mean by "the online"?

The store looks infinitely faster, that's all I've heard repeated in previews and reviews over and over, albeit it's running slowly on launch day as you'd expect.

It looks to have the same menus and submenus as most other devices? And I'm not touching the android thing, which is patently untrue (exactly the kind of thing out-of-touch Apple diehards spout on a regular basis). I use an iPhone 5c, HTC One and Lumia 920 (lol) every working day of my life, they're much of a muchness when it comes to menus and the like.

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That is highly wishful thinking given the evidence elsewhere. Broken consoles from Sony, broken consoles on GAF and SA, did they all come from the same batch?

People will always vent louder about bad things than good things but a near 1 in 2 ratio of bad reviews on Amazon does not look good at this point.

*sigh* I just don't know what to do.

It's this old chestnut:

http://www.trustpilot.co.uk/review/www.virginmedia.com

People without problems don't tend to leave reviews.

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What are the problems with the iPad Air - you know, the ones that stop it starting? What about the nexus 5? Galaxy S4?

There are always problems, but "can't turn on" is pretty rare for bits consumer electronics nowadays. And it's unusual that you get a straight 50/50 set of reviews on amazon.

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Put me in the 'defo not cancelling, lol' brigade. This is console launches at it's best folks.

Modding your HDMI ports with make you a godamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me.


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I'm pretty confident playing Killzone, Resogun and starting on next gen Battlefield will be more than worth any UI niggles or what not.

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Probably a mad thought, but... the PS4 comes shipped in a pretty skinny box, aye? On a load of unboxing videos I've noticed significant amount of crumpling from shipping too. I'm wondering if they're so tightly packed that rough shipping journeys are shaking things loose.

I'm keeping my pre-order myself - watched a fair few live streams and read enough positive comments to still be convinced enough.

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Considering this very forum was doing cartwheels a couple of weeks ago when a couple of unverified rumours surfaced on Twitter that the Xbone UI had a few problems, the writing off of many reports of broken out of the box PS4s on every single US forum I've looked at today as bad batches or a vocal minority, makes me think Smitty was onto something with complaining about double-standards.

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What are the problems with the iPad Air - you know, the ones that stop it starting? What about the nexus 5? Galaxy S4?

There are always problems, but "can't turn on" is pretty rare for bits consumer electronics nowadays. And it's unusual that you get a straight 50/50 set of reviews on amazon.

250 people who are pissed and saying its dead. That's tiny percentage on Amazon orders. What don't you get about that? At the moment it just LOOKS bad.

This could of course change.

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Put me in the 'defo not cancelling, lol' brigade. This is console launches at it's best folks.

Modding your HDMI ports with make you a godamn sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me.

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I'm pretty confident playing Killzone, Resogun and starting on next gen Battlefield will be more than worth any UI niggles or what not.

I'm with you.

If 300'000 units shipped on day one with a 1% failure rate that be (amazingly) 3000 defective units.

I imagine more than that have shipped and that failure rate is maybe a bit higher as it could be blu ray drive failure, hard drive failure, firmware etc

I've lost count of how many dead pc hard drives alone i've heard of due to rough handling during shipping.

As for the heat, you think 50c in 23c ambient is warm, ha, nvidia titans run around 80c.

If you ever considered pc gaming maybe you should give it a miss.

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NecroMorrius

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Considering this very forum was doing cartwheels a couple of weeks ago when a couple of unverified rumours surfaced on Twitter that the Xbone UI had a few problems, the writing off of many reports of broken out of the box PS4s on every single US forum I've looked at today as bad batches or a vocal minority, makes me think Smitty was onto something with complaining about double-standards.

One, if true, would be the case on every console. Millions of them on day one. The other is so far isolated to an unknown amount of cases. Nobody (here) seems to be writing it off, just saying wait and see. Some people have cancelled, so it swings the other way if anything.

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As others have said, those with broken consoles will be on the social media channels voicing their upset (and that's completely understandable) whilst those with working consoles will be playing them.

It will take a good few more days to gauge how extensive the problem is, but as I've said before, I think the fact that broken consoles are arriving DOA, points more to a bad batch of hard drives or HDMI connectors, rather than any long term problem inherent to the console design.

It will be curious to see how the Xbox One fares next week.

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I'm with you.

If 300'000 units shipped on day one with a 1% failure rate that be (amazingly) 3000 defective units.

I imagine more than that have shipped and that failure rate is maybe a bit higher as it could be blu ray drive failure, hard drive failure, firmware etc

I've lost count of how many dead pc hard drives alone i've heard of due to rough handling during shipping.

As for the heat, you think 50c in 23c ambient is warm, ha, nvidia titans run around 80c.

If you ever considered pc gaming maybe you should give it a miss.

There is a difference though. Nvidia titans are far more powerful and feature a much,much bigger die that the PS4. Still 50c is perfectly fine for a chip.

Let's be honest though, sony hardware has never been that good for reliability. If you just looked at an original Playstation wrong the thing would fail. It was nearly as bad as original x360's for it's failure rate.

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As others have said, those with broken consoles will be on the social media channels voicing their upset (and that's completely understandable) whilst those with working consoles will be playing them.

It will take a good few more days to gauge how extensive the problem is, but as I've said before, I think the fact that broken consoles are arriving DOA, points more to a bad batch of hard drives or HDMI connectors, rather than any long term problem inherent to the console design.

It will be curious to see how the Xbox One fares next week.

Yeah the xbox one will be interesting. It features a much more complex motherboard (the one of the PS4 is actually quite small and very neat).

There's now a thread gathering steam on the Sony forums about discs getting stuck in the drive and not ejecting.

Maybe the broken consoles are the ones put together by the slaves students at Foxconn :mellow:

Some people have said that the drives aren't pulling in discs as well. Obviously a dodgy batch of blu ray drives.

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There is a difference though. Nvidia titans are far more powerful and feature a much,much bigger die that the PS4. Still 50c is perfectly fine for a chip.

Let's be honest though, sony hardware has never been that good for reliability. If you just looked at an original Playstation wrong the thing would fail. It was nearly as bad as original x360's for it's failure rate.

I think you may have missed my point.

If you think 50c will bring hardware failure you would hardly want to purchase a graphics card that runs at 80c, would you?

It's also worth noting that this is the combined heat of the gpu and cpu so personally i think 50c is pretty good.

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