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Can't see it as being £350 plus. I hope for 330 max and less than Xbox. The PS3 launch hurt sony and they learnt some lessons, plus Kinect must cost a lot to produce, given its an updated version of a standalone product that cost £100 (or was it £130?)

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Can't see it as being £350 plus. I hope for 330 max and less than Xbox. The PS3 launch hurt sony and they learnt some lessons, plus Kinect must cost a lot to produce, given its an updated version of a standalone product that cost £100 (or was it £130?)

The original Kinect IIRC cost a tiny amount to build, they just made a massive profit off it.

Edit- $56 of parts, sold at $150.

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Kinect 2 has enough CPU grunt inside to need active cooling (i.e. a fan). That implies there's a non-trivial amount of chips, more than the first one, certainly.

Could you put that in terms of transistors? Five? Six hundred? Four octillion?

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The fan will be good. It'll just randomly spin up when the Xbox is supposedly switched off and you know that it's watching and has seen something it likes.

'It's getting hot in herre'

Could you put that in terms of transistors? Five? Six hundred? Four octillion?

Glyndwr might be the amazing tech guy, but not even he is up on the rocket science stuff.

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I can't see how the PS4 Eye would only cost $12-20 if the original Kinect parts cost $56..

It's essentially similar components - 2x (superior 720p @ 60Hz) cameras, a 4 channel mic array and a tilt motor..

New Kinect is undoubtedly more (though it does eliminate the motor) but it's difficult to see the new PS4 one being cheaper than old Kinect by 2/3rds..

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I can't see how the PS4 Eye would only cost $12-20 if the original Kinect costs $56 to make..

It's essentially similar components - 2x (superior 720p @ 60Hz) cameras, a 4 channel mic array and a tilt motor..

The original Kinect probably still had more technology in than the new PSEye, plus that motor added to the cost. PSEye is just a pair of shitty rez cameras and a plastic case, Sony probably have millions of 1-2MP cameras lying around in the stores as well, can't imagine the R&D costs added much.

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The original Kinect probably still had more technology in than the new PSEye, plus that motor added to the cost. PSEye is just a pair of shitty rez cameras and a plastic case, Sony probably have millions of 1-2MP cameras lying around in the stores as well, can't imagine the R&D costs added much.

Nope, the Kinect really was dumb as a bag of rocks and relied on the Xbox to do the heavy lifting. However $50 of HD cameras a few years ago is probably next to nothing now, thanks to mobiles, and likewise microphones and audio processors. Throw in no motor and $20 is entirely doable.

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Nope, the Kinect really was dumb as a bag of rocks and relied on the Xbox to do the heavy lifting. However $50 of HD cameras a few years ago is probably next to nothing now, thanks to mobiles, and likewise microphones and audio processors. Throw in no motor and $20 is entirely doable.

Oh boy, I thought it had some interesting tech shoved inside it, judging by all the homebrew stuff it could do, but the games didn't manage to show it in its best light,

I know nothing, Jon Snow :(

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Orig Kinect cameras will have been very cheap at the time too - only 640x480

PS4 Eye is something like 1280x800

Kinect 2 is 1920x1080

Plus there are pics that show the Eye tilted up and down.. implies a motor in that end section that moves the rest of it..

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I just reckon $12-20 is VERY optimistic for the cost of the thing..

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Nope, the Kinect really was dumb as a bag of rocks and relied on the Xbox to do the heavy lifting. However $50 of HD cameras a few years ago is probably next to nothing now, thanks to mobiles, and likewise microphones and audio processors. Throw in no motor and $20 is entirely doable.

The original Kinect was also dumbed down from the initial hardware iterations of the device, it did originally have its own onboard processing, they gimped it for the money.

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Plus there are pics that show the Eye tilted up and down.. implies a motor in that end section that moves the rest of it..

image_297886_620.jpg

I just reckon $12-20 is VERY optimistic for the cost of the thing..

It implies to me that the camera swivels by hand at that point, just like PSEye. I'd be very, very surprised if that was a tilt motor in there.

playstation-4-eye.jpg?w=680&h=420

The USB lead on PSEye used to drag the camera off tilt sometimes as well, I figured that's the reason it's at the end now, so it doesn't pull the camera angle down as it drops.

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Orig Kinect cameras will have been very cheap at the time too - only 640x480

PS4 Eye is something like 1280x800

Kinect 2 is 1920x1080

Plus there are pics that show the Eye tilted up and down.. implies a motor in that end section that moves the rest of it..

I just reckon $12-20 is VERY optimistic for the cost of the thing..

AFAIK there's no motor, it just tilts about by hand. It's just a pair of wide-angle 1MP cameras with a quad mic array not far removed from the original Eye. Given the original Eye sold for $25 I doubt the new one will cost more than about $15 to make.
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My advice you you Sony guys would be to expect the worst.

The PS4 is going to cost a fortune. It's going to have the same DRM as MS. It's not coming here until 2014.

Keep then in mind and watch the show. That way you'll still be blown away by the awesome graphics. Better graphics than the Xbox can do so it's not all doon and gloom. But you go into this thing expecting everything to be perfect and no amount of graphics are going to make up for the crushing disappointment.

What's that you were saying? Couldn't hear you for the crowd cheering over at the Sony conference.

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Oh boy, I thought it had some interesting tech shoved inside it, judging by all the homebrew stuff it could do, but the games didn't manage to show it in its best light,

I know nothing, Jon Snow :(

The problem with the homebrew stuff is that while amazing, it only works 8/10 times or isn't very polished. To release something on xbox kinect it would have to work 10/10 and be polished (9/10 for an MS published game).

It might not be so bad with this new kinect, as the problem was with the USB 2.0 not being able to feed data to the machine fast enough so the resolutions and detail were a bit crap. I'm just not too sure what developers are going to do with that extra detail. I think you can get a lot out of it if you're willing to put the time in, but publishers aren't going to let dev teams do that when what sells games are screenshots and tried-and-tested formulas.

...so looking at other camera tech, like Samsung TVs, Playstation Eyes and even cameras on phones, will be able to do what Kinect does even if Kinect could technically do a little bit more.

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