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Playstation four, Xbox one

I mean they just write themselves*.

*this one appears at Liverpool One, wherein Everton called their store "Everton Two" so the address reads "Everton Two/Liverpool One"

The trouble is Everton 1 is in Liverpool 4.
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Google refuses to tell me for definite - is the Playstation 4 Eye going to be bundled as standard with the PS4?

Yes, it's part of the machine. It's used in part for working out where you are in the room so if you swap pads about it can put split-screens in the right place.
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RubberJohnny

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You're more likely to see it in individual games than at the system level.

Next gen you'll be encountering games that are F2P (War Thunder), always online (Everquest Next), or have separate online authentication all on the same platform, so you probably do need to sort out your living room/wifi so you can get Internet or you're going to be constrained.

And that's not getting into games that just rely very heavily on online functionality or social stuff, like Driveclub, where you're potentially missing out.

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I dug up the report about Sony potentially blocking used games, seems a bit more promising at least:

Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida has told Eurogamer that PlayStation 4 will not block the use of second-hand games, contrary to various reports, speculation and even a Sony patent unearthed last month.

I sat down with Yoshida a few hours after the PS4 reveal tonight and one of the first things I asked was whether used games would be blocked.

"Do you want us to do that?" he asked.

No, I said. I think, if you buy something on a disc, that you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on.

Do you agree, I asked?

"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation."

So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, I asked, you're not going to stop them reselling it?

"Aaaah," was Yoshida's initial answer, but seemingly only because he'd forgotten his line. "So what was our official answer to our internal question?" he asked his Japanese PR advisor. The advisor stepped in but didn't seem to answer clearly, at least to my ears. Yoshida then took control again firmly:

"So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?"

I said I thought that was fine.

Interestingly, I also spoke to a Sony source elsewhere at the event this evening who told me that the anti used-game patent discovered last month was actually nothing to do with PlayStation 4 at all.

The patent suggested that discs would come branded with a contactless tag that could be recognised and read by your console, which would then bind it to you and prevent you from selling it on.

But whatever reason Sony did have for patenting it, it sounds like it wasn't for its next-generation console. Hopefully Microsoft will also avoid this ludicrous technology with its next-generation Xbox as well.

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That was more or less as I remembered it, going through something of a language barrier and ambiguous enough that it doesn't discount a variety of possible customer-fucking scenarios. I really hope they're playing it as smart as they seem to be, sitting back and watching the reaction to Microsoft's 'explanations' and tailoring their approach accordingly.

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Meat

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I know that a lot of games will be programmed with the lowest common denominator in mind, but I'd love to know how the 8GB DDR5 vs DDR3 difference would look, if exploited fully. Are we talking higher chance of 60fps or 1080p?

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I know that a lot of games will be programmed with the lowest common denominator in mind, but I'd love to know how the 8GB DDR5 vs DDR3 difference would look, if exploited fully. Are we talking higher chance of 60fps or 1080p?

Assuming the rumours are accurate, Xbone games have access to 5GB of DDR3 RAM vs. 8GB of DDR5 and half the shader operations per second of the PS4, with both of them being otherwise extremely similar. PS4 games should look substantially better in terms of visual fidelity and frame rate almost by default without any optimisation at all.
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RAM doesn't tend to mean higher framerates - it means more is stored at the same time. More RAM can tend to mean "more" of stuff without loading. Richer textures, better quality music, larger levels - things like that.

Those things require processor power too, so it isn't just "more RAM = bigger environments" but it tends to mean stuff like that.

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Assuming the rumours are accurate, Xbone games have access to 5GB of DDR3 RAM vs. 8GB of DDR5 and half the shader operations per second of the PS4, with both of them being otherwise extremely similar. PS4 games should look substantially better in terms of visual fidelity and frame rate almost by default without any optimisation at all.

Thanks, the impression I'm getting is that the practical, 'easily programmable' difference in power between these 2 is bigger than what we've seen this gen (more than any gen?), is that fair to say? Especially if, as you say, PS4 games will look much better even without a lot of optimisation.

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RAM doesn't tend to mean higher framerates - it means more is stored at the same time. More RAM can tend to mean "more" of stuff without loading. Richer textures, better quality music, larger levels - things like that.

Those things require processor power too, so it isn't just "more RAM = bigger environments" but it tends to mean stuff like that.

If you've got a smaller amount of slower RAM you're going to hit bottlenecks in your data transfer that could result in framerate drops I reckon. And the Xbox has a lot less RAM and it's a fair bit slower.

Thanks, the impression I'm getting is that the practical, 'easily programmable' difference in power between these 2 is bigger than what we've seen this gen (more than any gen?), is that fair to say? Especially if, as you say, PS4 games will look much better even without a lot of optimisation.

Everyone sounds very happy about the programmability of the PS4 and also the Xbox, so it'll come down to power I reckon.
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Well the most likely fuck up is having lacklustre launch games. Nothing shown so far has been particularly exciting. Long term that's not a massive problem though, the good games will come.

That's what they said about the ps3...

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