PlayStation 4 Console Thread

[SeanR]

Do we need a dedicated thread for the ps4 emulator. What you'd like to play, what you could request Sony to put on, eg God Hand?

I think maybe we should wait for some kind of announcement first?

[footle]

Aren't the Blu-Ray disk drives in the current consoles really slow? Will the Blu-Ray drives even be able to read the copy-protected sectors used to detect legit PS2 disks? And aren't there rights issues involved with ripping the disks, hence why the 360 needs approval from publishers etc?But, basically, it comes down to me really not giving a shit, and I don't think it's too unreasonable to not support software from over a decade ago, and I don't mind them wanting to make a few quid out of it. I mean, few people were even aware the PS3 could play PS1 disks. That said, I never owned a PS2 (the PS2/PS3/Wii U are the only major consoles I've never owned), so it doesn't impact me. I won't get upset if they don't support my many, many PSX disks either, though.I'd be more than happy enough when they let me buy the the odd PSX/PS2 title from PSN. I regard it as a nice bit of bonus functionality. But, hey, feel free to feel different.I think they'll be taking the piss if they're expecting you repurchase BC titles bought for PS3/Vita, though! Well, the Xbone can't play original Xbox titles, can it? It's a bit of a shame, they already have an emulator written, and I never did get around to playing Voodoo Vince or Crimson Skies.

The PS2 read DVDs at 4x speed. I'm pretty sure that the PS4 reads faster than that, and I'd be shocked if it can't read the whole disk. Besides, you wouldn't rip the disks. They're just an Identiificiation method.

I wouldn't worry about paying for backwards compatible PS3 files. it won't happen...

[Istanbul]

Can the PS4 read PS2 games on CD though?

[Spacehost]

Can the PS4 read PS2 games on CD though?

No audio CD support so it probably lacks the laser. Music is a last gen feature.

[Avuncular]

Are CD and DVD lasers different?

[Yoshimax]

Possibly related to the XB1 needing to download 360 games, rather than playing them directly off the disc.

That's down to how the emulation/virtualisation works - everything that's launchable on XB1 has to be an "app" as far as the machine is concerned hence every game is massively oversized.

[SeanR]

Are CD and DVD lasers different?

Yes, dvd is narrower, and bluray even more focused, its how they fit more on a disc the same size.

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/en/aboutblu-ray/whatisblu-raydisc/bdvs.dvd.aspx

[Unofficial Who]

If PS One/Two emulation will allow me to use my discs as proof of licence then it might keep me with Sony.

If this turns out to be another opportunity to rebuy games I already own however....

[rafaqat]

If PS One/Two emulation will allow me to use my discs as proof of licence then it might keep me with Sony.

If this turns out to be another opportunity to rebuy games I already own however....

From the article

"Meanwhile, the evidence to date - not least the ESRB ratings for PS2 classics - perhaps suggests that Sony's plans for the PS2 emulator involve selling these titles digitally, just as it did last-gen."

I'm going to take a guess that they're going to charge for stuff you already own.

I'm very surprised that the likes of haribo are already making excuses for Sony.

They should be following microsofts lead on this. It would be a good response to the Xbox 360 emulation.

[Dudley]

If PS One/Two emulation will allow me to use my discs as proof of licence then it might keep me with Sony.

If this turns out to be another opportunity to rebuy games I already own however....

As pointed out above they can't do this simply because the PS4 isn't capable of reading CDs.

PS2 DVD games, yes.

[Alex W.]

I'm going to take a guess that they're going to charge for stuff you already own.

I'm very surprised that the likes of haribo are already making excuses for Sony.

Are we really at the stage where people are getting mad at Sony for things that they guess Sony might do, and people are making excuses for these hypothetical screw-ups? Really?

[PaB]

Sony are never ever going to pour money into BC. They don't have to. It has been proven time and time again the ROI is not there. So making people pay for it is perfectly sensible, from a business point of view. MS are pushing BC because they are trying to find ways to close an ever increasing gap.

[rafaqat]

Are we really at the stage where people are getting mad at Sony for things that they guess Sony might do, and people are making excuses for these hypothetical screw-ups? Really?

I don't think anyone is getting mad. And people speculate what's going to happen based on what's happened in the past on here all the time.

So based on the fact that Sony are charging for games on PSnow that you already own and have charged for Ps1 classics before that you already own with no option to validate a disc I'd take the guess that the chances are high they will do it again. Not saying it's a definite thing. Just saying it's likely.

I'm sure even if it IS confirmed that you have to pay for Ps2 games you own, that the Some people will come up with some justifications.

[SeanR]

Personally I hope they do charge to play Ps2 games (you own). More importantly, they'll charge for PS2 games we don't own.

It'll put money in Sony's coffers, and you know, they need every penny they can get, amirite?

Mo' money = better games.

Possibly even money hats.

[MansizeRooster]

The 'I already own this game' argument is rather stupid.

Yeah, you're right, you do own that PS2 disc. And you can still use it - in a PS2.

If you want to play it on another console, then Sony are entirely justified in selling you another copy of that game. Having that disc doesn't mean that you universally own access to that game in all of its forms. The same argument is can be made by claiming that because I bought a game and the disc is sitting in my flat, I can wander into a shop and take another copy for free saying, it's cool I own this game already.

[SMD]

It's not even close to the same argument.

[Bojangle]

“We are working on utilising PS2 emulation technology to bring PS2 games forward to the current generation. We have nothing further to comment at this point in time.”

PSX announcement then, is my guess.

[rafaqat]

The 'I already own this game' argument is rather stupid.

Yeah, you're right, you do own that PS2 disc. And you can still use it - in a PS2.

If you want to play it on another console, then Sony are entirely justified in selling you another copy of that game..

Wow.

[MansizeRooster]

Wow?

[JohnC]

I bought a movie on VHS. Where's my free Blu-ray?

[SMD]

I bought a movie on DVD. I want to play it on my Bluray player.

[Unofficial Who]

The 'I already own this game' argument is rather stupid.

Yeah, you're right, you do own that PS2 disc. And you can still use it - in a PS2.

If you want to play it on another console, then Sony are entirely justified in selling you another copy of that game. Having that disc doesn't mean that you universally own access to that game in all of its forms. The same argument is can be made by claiming that because I bought a game and the disc is sitting in my flat, I can wander into a shop and take another copy for free saying, it's cool I own this game already.

Actually you make a good point. It's the same thing as with my blu-ray player. Had to throw all my old DVD's out. Same with my ipod, couldn't transfer those CD's to my iPod, had to pay Apple a load of money to rebuy the music.

And it's the same thing on the Bone. Want to play that old 360 game? You'll have to stump up the dosh.

You've totally convinced me.

[MattyP]

Having that disc doesn't mean that you universally own access to that game in all of its forms. The same argument is can be made by claiming that because I bought a game and the disc is sitting in my flat, I can wander into a shop and take another copy for free saying, it's cool I own this game already.

Well I quite like the model that Steam use TBH and I hope going forward its one that console manufacturers follow.

I bought Half Life 2 in 2004 for the PC via Steam. I could then play that game on whatever format it got released on. For example I briefly owned a Mac and I could download it onto that at no extra cost. I bought the game simple as.

OK its more difficult with consoles and past games because of hardware compatibility issues etc - however after the current gen I *expect* to be playing all the content I buy now digitally or whatever on future hardware products from any of the companies. If they don't support the games I buy now on future consoles I simply won't be buying any and keep what I have (and probably end up just gaming on my PC exclusively)

Not sure what the strategy is with respect to this and Sony or MS. Although MS have shown that its a concept they are at least entertaining. Sure they are trailing in sales and maybe its a marketing gimmick. But this type of move buys loyalty long term and sets a precedent. People will get a message "OK these guys care about my investment with them" so will continue to buy into that platform. Which is what hooks people into iOS or Android. If you have investments in either ecosystem you are more likely to stay with your chosen platform. If MS would have had BC in the XBO out of the box at launch it might have made a difference. If Sony for example continue to force re-buys of things you have bought already... don't think personally that's a good message to send out to your customers long term. Sure people like playing new stuff but they also like a quick go on their old stuff too. Like listening to CDs or watching films...

If Sony/Microsoft don't embrace the platform mentality like iOS or Android they will be dead formats in the future IMHO. They will always find a new audience but will lose the existing ones if they effectively "trash" someone's library of content on each new hardware release.

[rafaqat]

Wow?

Dunno. I'm always surprised when a consumer essentially gives a corporation the green light to take money off them for something they already own.

[JohnC]

I bought a movie on DVD. I want to play it on my Bluray player.

Or to compare it to the Bone, you bought a movie on DVD, so you should get a free download.

[MansizeRooster]

The fact that blu ray players play DVDs is just because it was easy to do and worked out nicely for both end users and manufacturers. Blu ray player manufacturers were never under any obligation to make them compatible. You'll notice that blu ray players don't play VHS, for instance.

[Unofficial Who]

I'm fine with it if there's some sort of value add. For instance replacing a video tape with a DVD made a lot of sense. Extra viewing and language options, bonus features, commentary tracks. Well worth the extra.

And if we're looking at games, where the assets are redone and extra work has been put into it, I'm fine with that.

But I'm sick of losing access to my old games and being asked to repurchase access to them when I've paid good money in the first place rather than pirating.

In this case Sony risks the same sort of piss take advert being done to them in a similar vein to the one they did of MS inn regards to lending games.

Or to compare it to the Bone, you bought a movie on DVD, so you should get a free download.

Not sure how it is in the UK but loads of discs being sold in Australia now come with a download code as well so you can d'load a legal copy for your portable device.

[JohnC]

Some do. Certainly not older ones.

[MansizeRooster]

But I'm sick of losing access to my old games and being asked to repurchase access to them when I've paid good money in the first place rather than pirating.

You haven't lost access to your old games. Dig out your PS2 from the loft and play to your heart's content.

[Bojangle]

Well I quite like the model that Steam use TBH and I hope going forward its one that console manufacturers follow.

I bought Half Life 2 in 2004 for the PC via Steam. I could then play that game on whatever format it got released on. For example I briefly owned a Mac and I could download it onto that at no extra cost. I bought the game simple as.

Well as long as that format was computer based. Wanted Orange Box on 360? Had to buy it.

Steam doesn't really use a model. It's just standard PC stuff. Some older games will have trouble running on newer OS, especially if the dev hasn't done anything with them. In many cases you're much better off buying an old game off GOG for example as it'll have been updated to work on new machines, widescreen support etc.