Nintendo Wii U

[Not Thread Owner]

That wasn't the question.

[stefcha]

Pretty obviously the intention, though

[Darren]

So I just got one.

What do I do now?

Get Super Mario 3D World, The Wonderful 101, Wind Waker HD, Lego City Undercover, Nintendoland (if you are likely to play it with friends), NES Remix and ZombiU.

They'll keep you busy for a while

Also, if the reviews are anything to go by then Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is a great buy.

And if that isn't enough then Pikmin 3 and New Super Mario Bros U are both superb, and in both cases the challenges will keep you going long after you finish/give up on (delete as applicable) the main game.

[rgraves]

Have they even set a date for an account system yet?

So much wailing and nashing of teeth over this - and yet it really makes no difference to 99.9% of owners.

It would be lovely of course, but it's not exactly like you need to login on a different machine everyday or anything. What's the driving use case that is affecting so many users?

There are lots of things I hope Nintendo are working on well ahead of this to be honest.

[Bojangle]

rgraves - The reason Nintendo are doomed.

[Massive Invisible Dog]

Having a transferable account system is more of a comfort thing than something that actually impacts buying and playing games, so it makes sense that some are hesitant to buy anything from the eShop in fear of losing it all.

[GokouD]

You know what winds me up about the DCK:TF reviews? There are lots that complain that it doesn't use the wii u's unique features and yet using the wii's features was the biggest complaint leveled against the original! Would they be happier if we had to blow on the mike or bash the touchscreen to pound the ground?

[Barnard]

The transferable account system has done bugger all for people who have upgraded to the PS4 and Xbone. Their old purchases are still tied to the old hardware.

I agree with rgraves. The machines are reliable and Nintendo will do a transfer if it fails. Unless of course it melts in a house fire, but that's what house insurance is for. (If mine did melt in a fire I wouldn't buy that Google Street View app again because it's a bit clunky.)

[Bojangle]

Nintendo fans really will accept and defend anything Nintendo do.

[SMD]

That's pretty selective.

[rgraves]

Having a transferable account system is more of a comfort thing than something that actually impacts buying and playing games, so it makes sense that some are hesitant to buy anything from the eShop in fear of losing it all.

Makes sense, I can see that. Thanks for the reasonable answer. Have a pos.

Has anyone ever actually lost anything though (apart from Lost Winds from Wii to Wii U [boo])? I mean, when it comes to it haven't Nintendo pretty much always transferred stuff when it needed to be done?

Surely stuff like the CE-FHT340E or whatever it is going on over in PS4 land is a much more pressing issue in terms of impact on a user?

I guess I'm just hoping Nintendo are throwing everything at Metroid U or Advance Wars U or something - not at fixing stuff like this which seems disproportionately picked up on.

[Mr Cochese]

I just realised that Bojangle and Kensei are two different people.

[RubberJohnny]

Has anyone ever actually lost anything though (apart from Lost Winds from Wii to Wii U [boo])?

Yeah people have, there's a story of someone who had over $400 in VC stuff, but Nintendo only restore up to $200 worth - talk about penalising your most die-hard fans.

I guess I'm just hoping Nintendo are throwing everything at Metroid U or Advance Wars U or something - not at fixing stuff like this which seems disproportionately picked up on.

False dilemma, animators and modellers aren't going to be handling network connectivity, fixing the account system won't take away from games.

And it's not "disproportionately picked on", every online account system, iTunes, Steam, Live, PSN has worked that way since 2004, that Nintendo still don't have a timeframe for reaching that level in 2014 is nuts.

[rgraves]

Nintendo fans really will accept and defend anything Nintendo do.

Oh do give over. Why not actually contribute to the debate a bit instead of just sniping from the sidelines like schoolkid?

My prediction for your next fascinating and insightful post:

blah blah blah NDF NDF NDF

[Sprite Machine]

Makes sense, I can see that. Thanks for the reasonable answer. Have a pos.

Has anyone ever actually lost anything though (apart from Lost Winds from Wii to Wii U [boo])? I mean, when it comes to it haven't Nintendo pretty much always transferred stuff when it needed to be done?

Statistically speaking, there must be plenty of people who have lost or had consoles stolen and been unable to retrieve their accounts. Not to mention people who just decide to sell or trade them, and are unable to do transfers themselves. You might factor that into the cost or you might just take the hit, I don't know. I'm sure we've had a few stories like that just on this forum, and we're a minor slice of pretty clued-up enthusiasts.

It's disingenuous to suggest the lack of transferrable account has neglible effect on people's actual usage. Personally, it's stopping me from using the 3DS eShop very often because I'm worried I'll leave it on the train or something, whereas I have absolutely no fears about using any other digital marketplace whatsoever over the past decade.

I think it's a pretty massive deal and I think people ought to make as big a a fuss about it as they possibly can. Preferably in Nintendo's direction.

[NEG]

Wanting a proper account system working across all your Nintendo products so that you can buy anything you want digitally, without much worry or without getting Nintendo involved isn't much of a debate.

[rgraves]

Yeah people have, there's a story of someone who had over $400 in VC stuff, but Nintendo only restore up to $200 worth - talk about penalising your most die-hard fans.

OK, but I seem to remember them fixing that for him in the end as well anyway.

every online account system, iTunes, Steam, Live, PSN has worked that way since 2004, that Nintendo still don't have a timeframe for reaching that level in 2014 is nuts.

So a PS3 user can login on a PS4 and play all their old stuff then right? And a 360 user on a One?

[Bojangle]

Oh do give over. Why not actually contribute to the debate a bit instead of just sniping from the sidelines like schoolkid?

My prediction for your next fascinating and insightful post:

My prediction for yours -

Oh Nintendo

Anyway;

The transferable account system has done bugger all for people who have upgraded to the PS4 and Xbone. Their old purchases are still tied to the old hardware.

That's only slightly true, but those old purchases are still there, and in some cases you're even rewarded with the PS4 version of a game you previously bought on PS3/Vita. (Flower, Flow, Sound Shapes, Doki Doki Universe) and they did the upgrade to PS4 version with a handful of titles too. Something which wouldn't have been possible had they Nintendo's archaic account system in place.

And considering both next gen consoles don't have any inbuilt back compatability it's not weird that you can't do anything directly with those purchases you made on the previous gen. But we don't know how Sony are going to handle the streaming back compatability, if it'll be a Netflix type affair or if it's a pay per game, in which case there's nothing stopping them allowing you to play your digital purchases you made on your PS3.

[Barnard]

Nintendo fans really will accept and defend anything Nintendo do.

Ha, what a load of rubbish. I don't think anyone can defend the state of the one a week VC releases.

Anyway, tell me why the desperate need to change the account system.

I agree it would be great to have a Steam style account. Part of my PC upgrading ritual is to download Half Life 2 and see how it runs, but that's not going to happen on home consoles just yet.

[RubberJohnny]

OK, but I seem to remember them fixing that for him in the end as well anyway.

You probably shouldn't have to get the gaming press involved and start a social media campaign to get your stuff back! Especially when that wouldn't be an issue under any other system on the market!

So a PS3 user can login on a PS4 and play all their old stuff then right? And a 360 user on a One?

Account based purchases are not a magic switch for backwards compatibility, and you know it. You're just throwing other topics in to make it easier to criticise.

[Bojangle]

Anyway, tell me why the desperate need to change the account system.

Because it's 2014.

[Sprite Machine]

OK, but I seem to remember them fixing that for him in the end as well anyway.So a PS3 user can login on a PS4 and play all their old stuff then right? And a 360 user on a One?

"Hey, look over there!"

Lack of BC on those consoles is shit (cross-buy, some ports and eventual PS1/2 compat aside), but that doesn't make Nintendo's approach acceptable. Even so, if you wanted to sell your PS4 and buy another one later, you can get all your content back, because you still have separate control over your account.

[SozzlyJoe]

OK, but I seem to remember them fixing that for him in the end as well anyway.So a PS3 user can login on a PS4 and play all their old stuff then right? And a 360 user on a One?

Account based purchases are not a magic switch for backwards compatibility, and you know it. You're just throwing other topics in to make it easier to criticise.

Quite. And as it happens you actually can download stuff like Flower on PS4 if you had it on PS3 as it is.. tied to your account! And you can play your PSP and PS1 games on the Vita.

And consider people who own multiple 3DS units - like me, for my two kids. Should you not be able to tie your same account to them both and share games between them? Nintendo say no. Every one else says yes. Even Leappad's have an account system.

[Sprite Machine]

I agree it would be great to have a Steam style account. Part of my PC upgrading ritual is to download Half Life 2 and see how it runs, but that's not going to happen on home consoles just yet.

Except on the consoles on which it already happens?

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

So a PS3 user can login on a PS4 and play all their old stuff then right? And a 360 user on a One?

No, but if my Vita drops in the toilet or my PS3 or 360 explodes in a shower of sparks I can go into a store, buy a replacement and immediately restore all my content and often even my save games as soon as I've got a network connection. You're just moving the goalposts in an attempt to excuse something inexcusable just because you've got some weird love relationship with Nintendo who can't do anything wrong in your eyes.

[rgraves]

Account based purchases are not a magic switch for backwards compatibility, and you know it. You're just throwing other topics in to make it easier to criticise.

No, I'm saying that there are two sides to the coin in terms of what's being delivered - no single manufacturer has a solution to both right now. Nintendo are working on an account system, they've confirmed that (though ominously they have no date). Are Sony and MS working on making 99% of purchases on PS3 and 360 transfer over to their new systems?

I'm not saying it's perfect - clearly it's not and it would be better if it were already account based. That's not up for discussion as it's a no brainer. What I'm trying to say is, in truth I think the number of people that lose out because of it right now is smaller than the number of people that benefitted from near-complete backwards compatibility.

I can only talk for me obviously - but I've had zero reason to need an account system so far (call it lucky, or call it pretty average), but plenty of use for backwards compatibility and old Wii Ware purchases (cue lots of 'because you had no new purchases to make on Wii U jokes'). I bought stuff last gen, I can continue playing it this gen with very little effort. From that position, it's not hard to understand why I don't (selfishly sure) see it as a major, major, major issue is it surely?

EDIT: Also, people seem to be trying to say I'm defending it, that's not what I'm doing at all. I agree it would be better if it were account based - I couldn't possibly argue against that, it's common sense. I'm just questioning the real-world impact. How many people has it *really* caused a problem for. Do we have on real person on this forum for example. Not a friend of a friend on gamefaqs who knew a guy who dropped his Wii U down the toilet when he was carrying it around in the bathroom for some reason.

EDIT 2: I can see it as much more of an issue on the 3DS - much more chance of losing that than a Wii U. Totally see that.

[Barnard]

Except on the consoles on which it already happens?

Which consoles can you upgrade and make games run smoother on?

[RubberJohnny]

No, I'm saying that there are two sides to the coin in terms of what's being delivered... What I'm trying to say is, in truth I think the number of people that lose out because of it right now is smaller than the number of people that benefitted from near-complete backwards compatibility.

False premise - an account system is a software issue, backwards compatibility is often a hardware issue.

[suzzopher]

OK, but I seem to remember them fixing that for him in the end as well anyway.So a PS3 user can login on a PS4 and play all their old stuff then right? And a 360 user on a One?

You can at least download games that you had previously purchased on PS3 if a PS4 version exists, such as Flower and Sound Shapes, it's not ideal to have no BC what so ever, but at least it's not buying an NES game on your Wii, paying to upgrade on your Wii U and then paying again for it on 3DS. The PlayStation eco system is pretty good in that PSone games (for example) can be bought and played across PSP, PSVita and PS3 for now, hopefully they come to PS4 too.

[Not Thread Owner]

Which consoles can you upgrade and make games run smoother on?

N64