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It really is sad to see a console with games like The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2 and that new Monolith Soft game being one of the worst selling consoles of the last decade. Gaming simply isn't what it used to be.

It's weird. People are all like "I don't play that kiddie shit", then they go off and download fucking FlappyBird.
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There's a big difference here. I'll let you figure it out.

Thanks. Good job you pointed it out though, because I thought they were exactly the same thing and I wasn't just trying to make a flippant topical reference at all.

EDIT: That is, unless you're saying that clearly FlappyBird would get even *more* downloads if it added a few better shaders and looked like this:

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And Zelda would be the swansong for yet another Nintendo console. Let's hope it'll be more Majora's Mask than Skyward Sword. ;)

Okay, take this with a bit of a pinch of salt, but I'm getting for half way through Tomb Raider 9 at the minute which, as a third person action adventure, is superb. The bow that Lara totes is absolutely man of the match too and that made me think a massive (and massively unlikely) what if....

What if Nintendo finally produced a Zelda with Link set in a more 'realistic' world (realistic might be the wrong word as clearly the island in TR is far from realistic :) ) with a decent (and waggle free) bow useable in various modes (and a sword and shield if really, really necessary), rock solid puzzles and 'more realistic' enemies? And a beautiful world and dungeons to explore. Yeah Link can still save Zelda and yeah he can still have some kind of whizzy ocarina/wind changing thingummybob but with better combat, just as good puzzles and the cutesy and kiddy focus turned (right) down?

Okay it won't change the fortunes of the Wii U but it could make some kind of statement that reflects Nintendo are willing to really try and compete.

Never happen of course

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All the games they have announced are all catering to people who already own the Wii U. There's nothing that will get Average Joe to invest in a console, which is what Nintendo needs.

In that case all they can do is secure both COD and FIFA as platform exclusives for the next five years and hope the fans of those franchises don't flip out and boycott the games, like what happened with Bayonetta.

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Someone should make a big list of quotes about all of Stolly's vision for a Dark Zelda, which are all based on whatever AAA game he's been playing at the moment. Before Tomb Raider it was Dark Souls, and then Skyrim.

It wasn't Dark Souls, it was Demon's Souls and that definitely wasn't an AAA game when I bought it (I think I bought an asian copy before it was even out in the UK). Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are in many ways Zelda-ish, but with hugely better combat and harsher consequences for um.. not paying attention :). People bang on about why Nintendo is in trouble and (albeit from my completely unimportant perspective) I'm suggestiing that instead of continuing to bang out the exact same game over and over again for the exact same (cutesy) audience, they try and do something that's successfully working on other consoles

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Given the sales figures, I'd say Mario Kart 8 is about as big a title at appealing to a mass market as you can hope to get. It's pretty much the ultimate cross-over game between <gulp> casuals and gamers. If anything at all can even slow the slide a little bit, it'll be MK.

If they have any other really big announcements, they'll be holding them for E3 which is only 3 months away now.

I don't agree with this. Mario Kart Wii sold loads because people had bought the Wii for Wii Sports and then fancied another game for the console, saw one that had a wheel peripheral and it was Mario and that was that. If Mario Kart was the all singing golden goose, Double Dash would have saved the Gamecube and the N64 from being a distant 3rd and 2nd respectively.

For further example of this kind of thing, look how massively New Super Mario Bros Wii sold in comparison to New Super Mario Bros U, despite U being clearly the better game.

These titles will not drive sales.

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You only need to look at New Mario U to understand it wasn't Mario Wii's sheer existence that made it sell 9million or whatever silly amount it was. Hardware ownership helped big time.

Edit: Doh, repeated Squirtle. Nevermind. Um. ::tap-dances off stage::

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Wasn't that because it was the only other game that Wii Sports players bought? And those people are pefectly happy playing Mario Kart and Wii Sports on their Wii's.

*cough* It's the same reason the updated Wii Sports and Wii Fit won't save the console, the people who bought them on the Wii have no reason at all to upgrade, they're perfectly happy with what they already have. Expecting anything to do Wii numbers again is crazy, it's just not going to happen.

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It really is sad to see a console with games like The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2 and that new Monolith Soft game being one of the worst selling consoles of the last decade.

Yeah. It's tragic. :(

But at least we and ten other people will have fun witth these games.

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TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap

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It looks like all the mass market wants on consoles are FIFA, COD, A N Other FPS and whatever AAA title suddenly captures the imagination.

I think they mainly want a choice that's a bit broader than a Mario racing game, a Mario party game, a Mario tennis game, a Mario fighting game, a Mario football game, a Mario platform game or other games that look like Mario but don't have Mario in them.
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Of the best selling games of 2013 only one, The Last of Us, wasn't an existing franchise with at least TWO preceding games in the series...

1. Grand Theft Auto V (Rockstar)
2. FIFA 14 (EA)
3. Call Of Duty: Ghosts (Activision)
4. Battlefield 4 (EA)
5. Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag (Ubisoft)
6. Tomb Raider (Square Enix)
7. FIFA 13 (EA)
8. Lego Marvel Super Heroes (WB Games)
9. Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition (Microsoft)
10. The Last Of Us (Sony)

Thats' not to say they're bad or anything, just that 'freshness' is not something that is a requirement for success. the mass market does tend toward the familiar.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/16/100-best-selling-video-games-of-2013-revealed-4265929/

How much 'freshness' is in that list?

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Nintendo should of fostered that unprecedented partnership with EA and money hatted TitanFall as I think a hyped, ex COD dev western FPS would have moved units. Arguably Titanfall does not seem to be a looker and could of got anyway with being hosted on the Wii U hardware.

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I think they mainly want a choice that's a bit broader than a Mario racing game, a Mario party game, a Mario tennis game, a Mario fighting game, a Mario football game, a Mario platform game or other games that look like Mario but don't have Mario in them.

This old argument again. No, in addition to a varied catalogue with breadth, people want something fresh and captivating.

True dat.

What I meant was that, strip away the FIFAs and shooters and the PS3/360 still offer a fantastic variety of games for every taste, something WiiU doesn't.

But the problem still remains that strip away those games and the fantastic variety will be selling to a far smaller crowd.

Nintendo should of fostered that unprecedented partnership with EA and money hatted TitanFall as I think a hyped, ex COD dev western FPS would have moved units. Arguably Titanfall does not seem to be a looker and could of got anyway with being hosted on the Wii U hardware.

...and this is what I mean. First of all, Titanfall would never have come to the Wii U, no matter how much money Nintendo might have thrown at it. Secondly, how does this help the industry as a whole? The majority of people who buy video games are buying similar ones over and over again. I said it in the Trouble With Nintendo thread but we're far from representative of what the average gamer is these days.

Indie gaming is our new home now.

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