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Yewone

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As soon as you get Monster Hunter, everything else turns into backlog. I've still not played ZombiU in anger.

That's part of the reason Ive resisted so far.. Remember losing a full month to Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii

You need to crack on with Zombi-U its definitely one of my gaming highlights of the past few years. If only for the nursery level!

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That's part of the reason Ive resisted so far.. Remember losing a full month to Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii

You need to crack on with Zombi-U its definitely one of my gaming highlights of the past few years. If only for the nursery level!

Oh god that level. The only time I've ever been truly scared by a game.

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Nursery/kindergarden or whatever you call it levels in games are one of the few things that give me goosebumps. ZombiU was no different, but the nursery level wasn't so bad in difficulty. Well, until you escape the nursery that is. I need to go back; in my second playthrough I got past that point on my first life. Got a neat 10k points because I didn't die. Such a good game. A title worthy of the name "survival horror".

Have to be honest though, it wasn't as scary and unnerving as Project Zero II Wii Edition. Japanse Ghost women >>> zombies.

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Yewone

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Yeah was going to say that Project Zero 2 still holds the pant-shitting crown for me too.

But in terms of nailing Survival Horror Zombi-U is definitely up there with (the good) Resi games.... You could almost smell the semi-fresh air when you finally escape that level!

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ZombiU was horrendously misunderstood by most US based gaming sites... Which is such a shame. It really really deserved to sell more as I think a sequel would have completely nailed it.

A great game, and we're unlikely to see anything like it for a very long time.

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I'll tell you what would help.

£249 at Christmas for a premium Mario Kart bundle. Mario Kart on the memory like the 3DS bundles.

You see that along side the Next Gens after the Pokemon hype train has run its course and I think that would do them wonders.

Of course MK8 won't be out till Spring but I live in hope of something similar. Maybe Super Mario 3D Land U.

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it's out early next year for that reason... one of the things that Nintendo noticed with winning back the 3DS was that they had these two amazing games... and then a drought afterwards. This time they want to spread their games over time.

There really is no point bringing out MK8 for Christmas when they've got a big Mario 3D, which I think is going to be ace.

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I really wanted to love Zombi U but had too many instances of lining up my crosshair on a head, firing and the shot missing completely.

that's jittery hands and gun control... you can improve the stats. See also RE4 when using a stick.

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that's jittery hands and gun control... you can improve the stats. See also RE4 when using a stick.

Yeah upgrading your character is all well and good but I think if the crosshair is over the zombs head and you still miss that's kind of a problem.

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I'll tell you what would help.

£249 at Christmas for a premium Mario Kart bundle. Mario Kart on the memory like the 3DS bundles.

You see that along side the Next Gens after the Pokemon hype train has run its course and I think that would do them wonders.

Of course MK8 won't be out till Spring but I live in hope of something similar. Maybe Super Mario 3D Land U.

I think it's very likely that this christmas will have a Mario 3D bundle. They would be mad not to offer one.

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They should have the premium for £249 - preloaded with Nintendoland, digital copies of the 30p Virtual Console games, a physical copy of Mario 3D and a Motion Plus controller. Plus get the blinkin' TVii feature working.

It needs to clearly demonstrate what's so good about the controller, it should come with everything you possibly need (i.e. a Motion Plus controller) and demonstrate what you can do with it (physical games, digital games, virtual console).

Also, when's this summer system update happening? Has it been already?

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The update is coming next month now.

You can't be serious with that bundle. You want them to knock £50 off the price and then add a £30-40 controller and a £40-50 game?

Those £30-40 controllers must cost very little to make by now. And a digital games costs nowt to bundle. Obvious it didn't cost nothing to make but we're in a situation where the machine isn't selling so it may well be very worthwhile being generous with digital bundles. They could be generous as hell with Virtual Console game which have already made their money. Bung in the entire NES/SNES collection. Make the machine a Nintendo museum.

I suspect the problem is more the console itself isn't yet cheap enough to make.

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Those £30-40 controllers must cost very little to make by now. And a digital games costs nowt to bundle. Obvious it didn't cost nothing to make but we're in a situation where the machine isn't selling so it may well be very worthwhile being generous with digital bundles. They could be generous as hell with Virtual Console game which have already made their money. Bung in the entire NES/SNES collection. Make the machine a Nintendo museum.

I suspect the problem is more the console itself isn't yet cheap enough to make.

He specifically mentioned a physical copy, presumably for resale potential.

I think that if they do a price cut, they're more likely to take Nintendo Land out of the bundle rather than add extra stuff in. We'd probably then get the Nintendo Land + Wii Remote Plus bundle that Japan got.

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it's out early next year for that reason... one of the things that Nintendo noticed with winning back the 3DS was that they had these two amazing games... and then a drought afterwards. This time they want to spread their games over time.

There really is no point bringing out MK8 for Christmas when they've got a big Mario 3D, which I think is going to be ace.

I don't agree scott, I think the very reason the 3ds had such a tremendous turnaround was directly because of the one/two punch of those 2 marios hitting the holiday season. They complimented each other perfectly, offering wildly different play mechanics and therefore a bigger possability of finding player interest. A 1st grade sp platformer and a briliiant multiplayer (with hobbled leaderboards sadly) driving game. There wasn't that much of a drought afterwards either was there? I seem to remember Revelations being released January/February time?

I certainly don't think it's by design that Nintendo are releasing MK after Christmas. It's simply yet another scheduling fiasco and inability to grasp HD development.

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They should have the premium for £249 - preloaded with Nintendoland, digital copies of the 30p Virtual Console games, a physical copy of Mario 3D and a Motion Plus controller. Plus get the blinkin' TVii feature working.

It needs to clearly demonstrate what's so good about the controller, it should come with everything you possibly need (i.e. a Motion Plus controller) and demonstrate what you can do with it (physical games, digital games, virtual console).

Also, when's this summer system update happening? Has it been already?

I agree with this, though I think that price is a touch optimistic for such a bundle. Then again, the bigger the price difference between Wii U and PS4, the more chance it has of grabbing some attention this winter - if it's only £50 less than a much more powerful device, I'm not sure a new Mario and a new Wii Fit and Wii Party are going to be enough.

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It's such shame that people will dismiss Wii U as less powerful, because as soon as you start using one it clearly feels like a Next Gen Wii and a big step up. If it continues to not sell, then I'm not sure what else they could do with future hardware. 3rd party stuff aside, I'm not sure what a console of PS4 type power would bring to Nintendo games that Wii U can't already do.

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The comments about cutting the price and bundling stuff into the package to fend off the coming Tsunami and establish the console reminds me of some recent comments by the bloke who had to establish the Dreamcast, a highly dangerous strategy if done without good foundations in place:


So why did the system fail? "In essence, it was a pure matter of cost," replied Takezaki. "It was because we were forced into a discount war when we were already losing money on system sales. Sony [whose PlayStation 2 came out March 2000 in Japan] was part of the team that developed the DVD standard, and they could develop a system around that completely internally with their own chips. Sega, meanwhile, was buying everything from outside companies, so it was at a distinct cost disadvantage. We couldn't easily cut costs on manufacturing, the software wasn't selling the numbers it used to, and then we were forced to discount the system."

It's hard enough to balance hardware costs with profits, but with everything Sega attempted in one go with the Dreamcast, the situation was even more dire than usual. "It's one of those things where the more consoles you sell, the more you lose, so we had to cover that with software sales," Takezaki explained. "But those sales weren't going up, and at the same time, we were busy trying to bring the idea of online gaming to users with the system. Our concept with the Dreamcast was to bring something new to gamers, to build an environment where they could connect with each other from around the world. Sega's whole business model was to build a userbase of cheap network devices, then provide services and products through the Internet; the Dreamcast was our ticket to making that dream come true."

http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/7/4599588/why-did-the-dreamcast-fail-segas-marketing-veteran-looks-back

The Wii U is already loss making, if you want them to throw away another $500 Million+ by doing a discount to sell another 10 Million hardware units to make the install base semi-viable, then people better hope the software sales will grow immensely to compensate, otherwise the Wii U will be an example of Nintendo following the same business model as their competitors, a poorly or non-profitable venture propped up by the rest of the company,

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