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cavalcade

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I don't give a damn about Metacritic.

On the whole the two systems deliver a massively different experience and the 3DS is one which I just prefer, along with many others. This comes from owning both machines but now only owning a 3DS. I will buy a vita again when it hits £100 new thanks to PSN+.

Metacritic is useful as a rough guide to what people, generally, prefer as it's an amalgamation of many different opinions into a single number. It's not perfect, but it's a more informed dataset than a single person's preferences. So, in this case, generally speaking, the 3DS and Vita are roughly the same in terms of providing good games. If you didn't like it, and sold yours, then hey ho. And yes, I'd say the Vita's 2013 line-up is more interesting than the 3DSes, or at least appears to be.

But anyway, the Wii-U - I''m happy enough if it has 6 must-have games in its lifespan. How many 360 or PS3 games are genuinely must-have? Looking at my shelf I think I'd be hard pushed to name 6 games on either platform that were truly spectacular. Most of them I'd have been happy to buy 2 years later for £5, or picked up on a sale on the PC. Spreading myself across all the different platforms (Vita, 3DS, PSP, Wii, 360, PS3, PC, DS, tablet etc), means 6 decent games on each of them gives me more games than I could possibly play in 5 years anyway. I'd say, so far, the Wii-U has enough to interest me - the tech, the games and the up coming titles. I might not play it 24/7, but it's certainly got enough quality about it to make it worth a purchase, and the fact it won't go toe to toe with the PS4 and 720 is a good thing, surely?

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You guys are crazy. The best thing about the WiiU is the gamepad. I fucking love it. It wouldn't exist if Nintendo didn't make hardware.

This ends all debate.

Waggle and Kinect were fads but the Wii U gamepad is an innovation that is here to stay. Gaming has been fairly stale for many years but this is the first thing I've used in a long, long time that feels like it should become a staple of future consoles. It's so damn intuitive.

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My Wii U has at least 6 more than worthwhile games already, so I assume people here are expecting no more games to ever come out for it.

Lego City is all kinds of super if you haven't already played it. I know Nintendo had some involvement in this one, but it's the first one that really keeps things interesting throughout entire missions. I've enjoyed several of the games, my son loves them, but this is the first one interesting enough to hold my attention completely.

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This ends all debate.

Waggle and Kinect were fads but the Wii U gamepad is an innovation that is here to stay. Gaming has been fairly stale for many years but this is the first thing I've used in a long, long time that feels like it should become a staple of future consoles. It's so damn intuitive.

This totally makes sense in a world where Nintendo shows off one of their biggest games of the year multiple times with waggle controls but don't show the Gamepad controls. No, wait.

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That's definitely how the WiiU should be seen. A dedicated Nintendo player.

Personally I'd love to see them go software only next gen for a number of reasons...

1. I'd rather just have to buy one machine these days - forking out an extra few hundred quid for a Nintendo player isn't what I want to be doing.

2. No more wacky, pointless control mechanisms. Just standard gamepads.

3. They'll become current-gen again and have more raw power to play with, which would surely be a good thing.

4. It'd free up hardware dev resources for them which they could channel back into software allowing them to make a continuous stream of games.

If Nintendo go software only, they'd lose all the things that make them unique:

1. Everything you want is aimed at the core/hardcore/traditional/whatever gamer. Gamepad only, better graphics, just keep the games coming. Sorry dude but we're a shrinking market. We're not going to prop up gaming any more.

2. It might be pointless to you but for the vast majority of people who game, the controller is the biggest obstacle. Everyone jokes about scott's mum but really, you have to appeal to anyone with a passing interest. That's why mobile gaming took off, not because it was cheap but because you use your finger and you touch and swipe. That's it.

3. Nintendo produce software to support their hardware. You think that they're going to fund all those niche titles if they go software only? You'd never see F-Zero again, they wouldn't have made Fire Emblem or Kid Icarus or Luigi's Mansion 2.

4. And on Luigi's Mansion 2, that 3 year development? Never again. Everything that people complain about when it comes to New Super Mario Bros would happen across the board. Yearly iterations, lack of polish, dilution of series. That complaint about having to buy a dedicated Nintendo player is what subsidises these games, that and the sweet, sweet licensing cash.

5. They produce hardware that makes their software sing. People go 'oh imagine if Nintendo had the extra power' but if they wanted, they'd put it in. You're talking about changing their ethos to suit your interests. If it's not for you then there's no reason to get a dedicated Nintendo player. Look at Sega, they went software only, produced the same games that were the backbone of their hardware and... no one bought them. The likes of Valkyria Chronicles, Binary Domain, Alpha Protocol and so on would've been great attractions to their hardware and they'd keep refining them to attract more people to their hardware. As a software only company, they bombed and now we're not getting any sequels and VC3 isn't even coming to the West after 2 was PSP only.

You resent having to pay for a Nintendo machine to play games, well, erm, that's the whole point isn't it? And if the Nintendo magic keeps pulling you in despite your protestations and your complaints then I'd say that's business done good. They've sold you an inferior product in your eyes and have your money.

I said it before and I'll say it again - Nintendo are a Japanese company competing globally. The divergence between Western and Japanese tastes has never been wider. Sony only look capable of competing in both markets because they have developers on both sides. And even then, if they sell at a high launch price, the market is going to shun them, no matter how much you or Napoleon think they're the best thing ever because of all that sweet RAM and graphics. Because it's an overall package.

Personally I think the Vita is a lovely console and I want one - but I'm holding out for a price cut and I thought that the launch wasn't good. I plumped for the 3DS because it got a price cut just before it launched and there were at least two games coming that I wanted.

And that's how it works. The price cut got people who aren't big on gaming interested in the Wii U. Because a sub £200 machine that plays Mario is attractive to the wider public.

How about this then, do you think Sony and Microsoft would be trying as hard to attract third parties if they had a first party stable like Nintendo?

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My point earlier about 'niche' is that there's this very vocal collection of people who want bigger better shinier louder games... But these games sell only about 3M across two consoles. Consoles that have sold, what, 50M?? That's a whole lot of the market not buying those games.

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They've shown the gamepad controls though, it's one of the first things they demoed. The thing is that the Wii U just supports almost every console method it has, so you can play games like Zombi U and Monster Hunter with the Pro controller (and Classic...I think) and just have the Gamepad as a touchscreen for the rest of the options.

I'm surprised people consider this flexibility to be a negative.

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You have to use it to do the extra jump spin thing in New Super Mario U. There's waggling in Nintendoland and there's probably something else if any more games come out for it.

Also Iwata said something about how after the motion controls in Skyward Sword going back to a traditional control scheme would be a step back. So maybe the next Zelda?

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What other current or future Wii U games have waggle integral to the control scheme?

There are quite a few Nintendo Land games you need the Wiimote and nunchuck for. Zelda and Metroid off the top of my head. You can also use it for Black Ops 2 though it's not integral, granted.

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My point earlier about 'niche' is that there's this very vocal collection of people who want bigger better shinier louder games... But these games sell only about 3M across two consoles. Consoles that have sold, what, 50M?? That's a whole lot of the market not buying those games.

About 75m each now. Didn't really pick up until three to four years on the market. Not sure the less substantial jump heralded by the new consoles is going to sell them in a moribund economy with predecessors that gained traction over an abnormally long stretch of time. I think we'll see more than the odd next-gen 'exclusive' scrambled onto older consoles over the next five years.

It would be sheer idiocy for either Sony or MS to have a competent base unit on the shelves for a penny over £300. I'm sure neither company will be that stupid.

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So how does that prove its usefulness if there's a more practical alternative?

You can't buy four gamepads. All I said was waggle wasn't a fad if they're still supporting it alongside gamepad controls.

You can shake the Gamepad.

OK.

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All I said was waggle wasn't a fad if they're still supporting it alongside gamepad controls.

Yep, there's less of an emphasis on motion compared to wii, but it's there.

Sony have shown us that the Move exclusive titles will continue on PS4. The new dualshock has improved motion features. Killzone and Infamous will most likely allow you to play with Move controls too.

And Microsoft have Kinect 2. Fingers crossed it will be significantly less shit than the first one.

Waggle is here to stay.

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I'm very happy with my Wii U. Mario and Nintendoland have kept me busy since Christmas, Monster Hunter is going to last me for absolutely ages and I'm very tempted to pick up Lego City as well. Plus I still haven't got around to ZombiU. How many games do you people actually want? I've got a PS3 and 360 as well, like most people here I've got a backlog so if the Wii U turns out to be a platform that has a slow but steady stream of brilliant titles then it's absolutely perfect for my needs.

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