Nintendo Wii U

[ras el hanout]

Well, of course I'm going to look at it from my perspective, so instead of sighs and childish replies why not try and give me your side of the story...

As I see it Nintendo's Achilles heel is their hardware focus. And I don't want to see sales figures for the Wii. I'm talking more about knowing what actual gamers want.

There's no denying they're one of the best software devs in the world, so it's only natural I want them to focuse their efforts there. Not on old tech and gimmicks.

I do love them. I always have, but they need a good shake up in my eyes.

Nah M8, the gamepad's awesome. It's the future. Now, I agree Sony could probably make a better one but the fact is they didn't or if they did it would be £900 which is what a Vita and a PS4 will set you back.

It's funny that when Nintendo do something it's considered, I dunno, like it's made out of a bucket and some no more nails. The Wii was AMAZING tech. The DS! Touchscreen gaming! The 3DS MOTHERFUCKING 3D in your hands without glasses! Yeah, Nintendo's hardware is amazing. It's a shame they can't charge £600 for it because imagine what they'd make then! They'd make stuff better than Sony!

[Radish]

Well, of course I'm going to look at it from my perspective, so instead of sighs and childish replies why not try and give me your side of the story...

You're in a Nintendo thread, don't expect much else if you dare to offer an opinion that's in any way negative of Nintendo. scotts response to the WIi U not getting Bioshock Infinite was to call it a niche title. Or how it's going to cost £900 for a PS4 and Vita. A vita costs <£200 so apparently the PS4 will retail at £700. Right.

I'd love to see them go Software only as well. I'm highly unlikely to buy a Wii U just to play Nintendo games but if they released them on another platform I'm almost certainly going to pick them up and I doubt I'm the only one in that position.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

I remember when the Vita was going to destroy the 3DS or something... Oh how we laugh now

What is it that makes you laugh though? The Vita is a superior platform in every single respect. It has a better screen, a better touchscreen, better controls, two sticks, better UI, better batterylife, better standby mode, better networking, everything. I think Nintendo's handheld games - which are generally great - would be even better on the Vita because they wouldn't be held back by the restrictions inflicted by the Nintendo beancounters to keep the system cheap.

Thing is that Nintendo fans are always so bloody defensive. When gamers complain Nintendo hardware is cheap and underpowered stuff, they'll say that it doesn't matter because it's all about the games. But if you take that logic and suggest that Nintendo should go software-only because the hardware doesn't matter anyway, they'll be all up in arms too. I think that having to buy an extra box under my telly that actually does less than the boxes I already own for no other reason than the ability to play 4 or 5 games of a single publisher stinks.

[ras el hanout]

What is it that makes you laugh though? The Vita is a superior platform in every single respect. It has a better screen, a better touchscreen, better controls, two sticks, better UI, better batterylife, better standby mode, better networking, everything. I think Nintendo's handheld games - which are generally great - would be even better on the Vita because they wouldn't be held back by the restrictions inflicted by the Nintendo beancounters to keep the system cheap.

Thing is that Nintendo fans are always so bloody defensive. When gamers complain Nintendo hardware is cheap and underpowered stuff, they'll say that it doesn't matter because it's all about the games. But if you take that logic and suggest that Nintendo should go software-only because the hardware doesn't matter anyway, they'll be all up in arms too. I think that having to buy an extra box under my telly that actually does less than the boxes I already own for no other reason than the ability to play 4 or 5 games of a single publisher stinks.

Vita, superior in every single respect apart from the games and value for money.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

I don't agree, the Vita has great games and value for money is excellent. I've got both a Vita and a 3DS XL and I think they both get the same amount of playtime.

[Revival]

The Vita is a superior platform in every single respect.

Arguably apart from the most important aspect of a games console no? Original titles especially ones that suit a handheld to begin with and not just shoehorned PS3 downports.

Anyway where does the precident come from that people seem so desperate for a Sony themed single console future? I'm genuinely gobsmacked people take their horse manure PR as gospel.

To see a future where Mario and Shenmue (yeah I went there) are hosted on a Playstation would pretty much be the final nail in the coffin for me. I can't imagine much worse.

The terms gamers in this generation has really lost a meaning imho. How many more companies are 'gamers' going to let go into the impending istore 69p wastelands?

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

Arguably apart from the most important aspect of a games console no? Original titles especially ones that suit a handheld to begin with and not just shoehorned PS3 downports.

People are still rolling this tired old cliche out?

To see a future where Mario and Shenmue (yeah I went there) are hosted on a Playstation would pretty much be the final nail in the coffin for me. I can't imagine much worse.

So it's not about the games but about the logo on the console after all? Who gives a fuck what platform you're playing on, as long as the games are good right? What is this mad brand loyalty about?

[ras el hanout]

I don't agree, the Vita has great games and value for money is excellent. I've got both a Vita and a 3DS XL and I think they both get the same amount of playtime.

Well clearly that doesn't correspond with the rest of the world. So, yeah, what's you point?

[Revival]

How is it a cliche? Its a reality as soon as you look at its game library. Even the wonderful(?) indie support is little more than a bunch of ports of games that are already years old.

If the system is so inviting why hasn't Sony got them creating new content?

[ras el hanout]

People are still rolling this tired old cliche out?

Okay Napoleon, YOU explain why the Vita is being outsold many times over by a console that is worse in every respect? It can't all be marketing.

[carleton]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="SMD" data-cid="9179586" data-time="1364582175">

\o/ That genuinely made our summer. Between me and my mates we had practically every format covered. I had it on PC, two of us had it on N64 and one on Playstation - but the N64 won with big TV and 4 player. So many grudge matches...

Yeah, we played a lot of 4 player games in the Creation's offices whilst developing it. It was really good, happy days.

[bowser123]

What is it that makes you laugh though? The Vita is a superior platform in every single respect.

Even the £60+ proprietary memory cards?

I also dislike how when the Vita runs out of juice is has to be charging for 15+ mins before you can use it again, the 3DS allows you to use straight from flat off the mains. Though I think that's down to the Vita remembering the exact point where you left off which is a very nice feature.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

Okay Napoleon, YOU explain why the Vita is being outsold many times over by a console that is worse in every respect? It can't all be marketing.

Because Mario.

[ras el hanout]

Because Mario.

And Luigi, but yes, I agree. The Vita, despite being technologically more advanced than the 3DS is performing much worse because it doesn't play host to Nintendo games. But you think Nintendo should stop making the 3DS and just make games for the Vita. That sounds smart.

The WiiU has a few of the problems the Vita has. Too expensive. Lack of Nintendo games but the thing is Nintendo can remedy that by making Nintendo games for their Nintendo WiiU.

[Radish]

How is it a cliche? Its a reality as soon as you look at its game library. Even the wonderful(?) indie support is little more than a bunch of ports of games that are already years old.

If the system is so inviting why hasn't Sony got them creating new content?

Spoiled because it's a long list:

Games already out that are decent, some amazing but of course not all:

Persona 4 Golden

Rayman origins

LIttleBigPlanet

Mutant Blobs Attack

Mortal Kombat

Sine Mora

Sound Shapes

Zero Escape: Virtues Last Reward

Dead or Alive 5 Plus

Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD

Lumines: Electronic Symphony

Gravity Rush

BLazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend

Super Stardust Delta

Fuel Tiracas

Metal Gear Solid HD Collection

Uncharted: Golden Abyss

Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3

Fifa

Street Fighter X Tekken

Need for Speed: Most Wanted

Wipeoue 2048

Knytt Underground

Retro City Rampage

Motorstorm RC

Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention

MLB 13: The Show

Sunflowers

Puddle

VIrtua Tennis 4: World Tour Edition

Plants vs Zombies

Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational

Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed

Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale

Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus

Unit 13

Escape Plan

Assassins Creed 3: Liberation

New Little King's Story

Earth Defense FOrce 2017

Touch My Katamari

Alien Breed

Uncharted: Fight for Fortune

Ragnarok Odyssey

Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus

Super Monkey Ball: Bana Splitz

LEGO Harry Potter

Modnation Racers: Road Trip

Resistance: Burning Skies

Sumioni: Demon Arts

LEGO The Lord of the Rings

Upcoming games this year (Sony have said 100 new Vita games are coming this year - 10 or so are on the above list, as they've already been released, I can't be bothered to cut the list down)

1. Alien Breed

2. Atelier Totori Plus: The Adventurer of Arland

3. Bentley's Hackpack

4. Chronovolt

5. Dead or Alive 5 Plus

6. Earth Defense Force 2017 Portable

7. Ecolibrium

8. escapeVektor

9. Germinator

10. Lets Fish! Hooked On

11. MLB 13: The Show

12. MUD - FIM Motocross World Championship

13. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus

14. Nun Attack

15. Puzzle by Nikoli V: Sudoku

16. Rocketbirds: Hardboiled Chicken

17. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

18. Urban Trial Freestyle

And these other games are already confirmed (I don't know if I forget another):

19. Binding of Isaac

20. Bit.Trip Presents Runner 2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien

21. Deathmatch Village

22. Divekick

23. Dragon's Crown

24. Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two

25. Final Fantasy X / X-2 Remaster

26. Frozen Synapse: Tactics

27. God Eater 2

28. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R

29. Hotline Miami

30. Killzone: Mercenary

31. Limbo

32. Lone Survivor

33. Luftrausers Dogfights

34. Machinarium

35. Metrico

36. Muramasa: Rebirth

37. Open Me!

38. Quell Momento

39. Rainbow Moon

40. Soul Sacrifice

41. Spelunky

42. Tearaway

43. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth

44. The Walking Dead

45. Thomas Was Alone

46. Valhalla Knights 3

Plus the PSP and PS1 library on PSN. It has games.

And Luigi, but yes, I agree. The Vita, despite being technologically more advanced than the 3DS is performing much worse because it doesn't play host to Nintendo games. But you think Nintendo should stop making the 3DS and just make games for the Vita. That sounds smart.

Do you realize what you just said? The 3DS is only selling because it has Nintendo games. Vita is selling ok without them (outselling the Wii U 4:1 at the moment). Nintendo therefore shouldn't bring their games, the only thing making the 3ds sell (your words) to a better system because... why excatly?

[Super Craig]

Saying that Nintendo should be a software-only company because their hardware is cheap and underpowered is missing the point. These are deliberate trade-offs. They could easily make something on par with PS4/XB3. They've chosen not to so they can spend more money on the controller. If you don't like that, then tough shit. Ditto with the cheapness. They don't want to make premium-looking, but fragile hardware.

It'd be nice to have less consoles to contend with, but I'd rather Microsoft or Sony fucked off first. Gaming would definitely be in a worse place without the DS and Wii. Maybe even technology. Would there even be an iPhone/iPad without the DS? And yes, I'm aware that Nintendo didn't invent the touch screen.

Also, I love the constant moaning about the NDF and the likes. Yeah, how dare someone react when the same boring wankers come in to shit up a thread yet again.

[Dandy_Sephy]

People have very short memories and forget the 3DS was considered a massive failiure until they released two Mario games at once, one of which was a completely unoriginal sequel.

It's a bit weird really, people have turned this into a Nintendo versus Vita arguement for some reason instead of comparing the 3ds and the Wii U. Both the Nintendo consoles launched to consumer apathy and confusion, both with barren wasteland of gaming choice and neither had any meaningful release dates for the second wave of software. Vita launched to some apathy, largely around cost but it had 20+ games on day 1 plus a constant release schedule, and no brand confusion. Plus people are trying to argue that Vita is all ports and sequels but it took seven months for a meaningful original game to come out on 3ds, and Lego City is the only original Wii U exclusive of merit so far in 5 months. The second wave, exclusive, original Nintendo stuff has't shown up yet.

In short, people trying to deflect criticism onto the Vita instead are either short sighted or ignorant of the problems Nintendo are having, many of them are shared between the two. They all have their problems, but Wii U is struggling the most until it gets more software.

edit:forgot Zombie U as a exlusive of merit, but my point stands for post release games. Monster Hunter isn't original and it's exclusivity is of debate given it's based on a Wii game.

[Revival]

Spoiled because it's a long list:

Games already out that are decent, some amazing but of course not all:

Persona 4 Golden

Rayman origins

LIttleBigPlanet

Mutant Blobs Attack

Mortal Kombat

Sine Mora

Sound Shapes

Zero Escape: Virtues Last Reward

Dead or Alive 5 Plus

Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD

Lumines: Electronic Symphony

Gravity Rush

BLazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend

Super Stardust Delta

Fuel Tiracas

Metal Gear Solid HD Collection

Uncharted: Golden Abyss

Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3

Fifa

Street Fighter X Tekken

Need for Speed: Most Wanted

Wipeoue 2048

Knytt Underground

Retro City Rampage

Motorstorm RC

Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention

MLB 13: The Show

Sunflowers

Puddle

VIrtua Tennis 4: World Tour Edition

Plants vs Zombies

Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational

Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed

Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale

Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus

Unit 13

Escape Plan

Assassins Creed 3: Liberation

New Little King's Story

Earth Defense FOrce 2017

Touch My Katamari

Alien Breed

Uncharted: Fight for Fortune

Ragnarok Odyssey

Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus

Super Monkey Ball: Bana Splitz

LEGO Harry Potter

Modnation Racers: Road Trip

Resistance: Burning Skies

Sumioni: Demon Arts

LEGO The Lord of the Rings

Upcoming games this year (Sony have said 100 new Vita games are coming this year - 10 or so are on the above list, as they've already been released, I can't be bothered to cut the list down)

1. Alien Breed

2. Atelier Totori Plus: The Adventurer of Arland

3. Bentley's Hackpack

4. Chronovolt

5. Dead or Alive 5 Plus

6. Earth Defense Force 2017 Portable

7. Ecolibrium

8. escapeVektor

9. Germinator

10. Lets Fish! Hooked On

11. MLB 13: The Show

12. MUD - FIM Motocross World Championship

13. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus

14. Nun Attack

15. Puzzle by Nikoli V: Sudoku

16. Rocketbirds: Hardboiled Chicken

17. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

18. Urban Trial Freestyle

And these other games are already confirmed (I don't know if I forget another):

19. Binding of Isaac

20. Bit.Trip Presents Runner 2: Future Legend of Rhythm Alien

21. Deathmatch Village

22. Divekick

23. Dragon's Crown

24. Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two

25. Final Fantasy X / X-2 Remaster

26. Frozen Synapse: Tactics

27. God Eater 2

28. Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus R

29. Hotline Miami

30. Killzone: Mercenary

31. Limbo

32. Lone Survivor

33. Luftrausers Dogfights

34. Machinarium

35. Metrico

36. Muramasa: Rebirth

37. Open Me!

38. Quell Momento

39. Rainbow Moon

40. Soul Sacrifice

41. Spelunky

42. Tearaway

43. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth

44. The Walking Dead

45. Thomas Was Alone

46. Valhalla Knights 3

Plus the PSP and PS1 library on PSN. It has games.

Thanks for proving my point!

[ras el hanout]

People have very short memories and forget the 3DS was considered a massive failiure until they released two Mario games at once.

It's a bit weird really, people have turned this into a Nintendo versus Vita arguement for some reason instead of comparing the 3ds and the Wii U. Both launched to consumer apathy and confusion, both with barren wasteland of gaming choice and neither had any meaningful release dates for the second wave of software. Plus people are trying to argue that Vita is all ports and sequels but it took seven months for a meaningful original game to come out on 3ds, and Lego City is the only original Wii U exclusive of merit so far in 5 months. The second wave, exclusive, original Nintendo stuff has't shown up yet.

In short, people trying to deflect criticism onto the Vita instead are either short sighted or ignorant of the problems Nintendo are having, many of them are shared between the two.

That was just Napoleon. He says things without thinking them through. Having a more powerful console does on paper sound better, because it's more powerful. Had Napoleon been given the resources to produce a handheld he would have made the Vita, and not the 3DS. And yet he doesn't see how perhaps that would have been a mistake. He can't see why the 3DS appeals where the Vita doesn't. It's a real head scratcher for him because the Vita is more powerful. So it's better. And the reason it's brought up in here because he's doing the exact same thing with the WiiU. Saying it should be more powerful because that's the most important thing! When demonstrably it's not the most important thing.

[Guest]

Who's said anything about it being a singular Sony future?

I just want both hardware and software devs to push things to the limits. It could be any company that does it and I'd be equally as happy. MS, Sony, Valve, Apple, Nintendo or another party. I don't care. I just want the best games on the best hardware with the best online systems, the best graphics and the best innovations.

[Guest]

Okay Napoleon, YOU explain why the Vita is being outsold many times over by a console that is worse in every respect? It can't all be marketing.

You do realise that biggest selling doesn't equal best, right?

I don't give a fuck about sales figures, and neither should you guys, I just want the best.

[Radish]

Thanks for proving my point!

Did you even look at the list before negging me and posting that? I'm guessing not. If you can look at a list of about 85 games, all of which were taken from metacritic with a decent score and say "no games" then there's just no point in even trying to talk to you. Sorry for continuing the Vita discussion, I just can't help it when ignorant people say "the reality is it has no games." Don't be daft.

[Revival]

I never said it had no games. You seem to be completely missing the initial point.

[ras el hanout]

You do realise that biggest selling doesn't equal best, right?

I don't give a fuck about sales figures, and neither should you guys, I just want the best.

You do realize more powerful doesn't equal best, right?

I don't give a fuck about the most powerful, I just want the best games.

[Massive Invisible Dog]

Sales are important if you care about third party software. Nintendo get by on lackluster sales figures because of the strength of their first party software which isn't going to stop. For other manufacturers with less strong first party offerings, bad sales mean bad support, as is happening with the Vita. Not that it's getting nothing - there's plenty of ports on that list posted above if you haven't played those games and want to play them on a handheld, but strip it down to exclusives and it's pretty depressing. That might have been a different list had it sold well - we might actually have seen that Bioshock game, for one.

[angel]

I didnt think it was any great secret why the Wii U is in the state it is. Devs hate Nintendo after years of abuse..they only came on board the Wii after it became apparant it was a lightning in a bottle success. Customers are waiting for the games to come, not just the ports. It still needs a killer app.

Oh and 2 SKUs is stupid. They should dump the 8gb one and set the Premium at 199. Thats what i'd do. Swallow the hit and get it in homes.

[Guest]

You do realize more powerful doesn't equal best, right?

I don't give a fuck about the most powerful, I just want the best games.

Answering questions with questions. Good move.

Anyway, I'm the same as you - I want the best games. I also want those games on the best hardware, with all the best trimmings too, but Nintendo don't currently provide that.

[ras el hanout]

Answering questions with questions. Good move.

Anyway, I'm the same as you - I want the best games. I also want those games on the best hardware, with all the best trimmings too, but Nintendo don't currently provide that.

They provide the best games and the best controller. Now Sony might provide the best gpu and MS might bring the best online. Weighing all that up Nintendo are probably the best choice for the discerning gamer.

[Radish]

I never said it had no games. You seem to be completely missing the initial point.

No, I'm just saying that out of around 85 games there are obviously a fair number of original titles. Take a look at the list perhaps. I'm assuming that sequels are ok? Otherwise that cuts down on the number of "original" titles that the 3ds has too, e.g. Kid Icarus, Pilotwings, Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Mario... The Vita definitely needs more support, nobody would argue against that but it's just not as bad as some people suggest.

[ras el hanout]

Take it easy, Radish. A lot of people seem love the Vita and I've heard it does have great games. The only reason it was brought up in here was because it's not selling so well and It was only brought up to counter a couple of idiots in here who put the WiiU's lacklustre performance down the the CPU. See, I've no real interest in the Vita but I don't steam into the Vita thread shiitting it all up with my bollocks about what Sony are doing wrong and why they're fucked. I don't 'pull a napoleon'. Only a complete mong would do that.

(the vita's fucked because 95% of the handheld market is children)