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scottcr

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IAPs in another form. I thought you were vehemently against IAPs?

Yeap... I am. I'm also against plastic stuff all over the place. But my son will love this... Just as he loved Skylanders. The figures for this will be much cheaper to get. Skylanders figures are "special treats"

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Massive Invisible Dog

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Whether its DLC or IAP they are designed to do the same thing. They are ways to extract more moneys from customers wallets after the main content has been released.

Well, yes. Obviously.

There is a distinction though - one is buying some game content, and one is broadened to purchases in general. There are good and bad examples of DLC, but IAP on iOS have almost exclusively been used for insidious Skinner box bullshit.

I don't think buying toys to unlock characters is particularly great example of DLC, but at least they're getting a shitty toy and in game character out of it instead of some consumable energy for a game built around making it as tempting as possible to keep buying it in order to progress.

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What other uses are there for NFC tech besides scanning in toys or cards?

The one thing I hope they get moving on soon, and they have said it's on the cards, is contactless payments - having the NFC tech there in the gamepad means I should just be able to hold my debit/credit card to the pad to pay for eShop purchases instead of having to type out the details each time or have the system store them itself.

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scottcr

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people like me buy plastic marios and zeldas... I can now buy those plastic toys, take them off the shelf and make something happen in my game.

people like me are stupid

The one thing I hope they get moving on soon, and they have said it's on the cards, is contactless payments - having the NFC tech there in the gamepad means I should just be able to hold my debit/credit card to the pad to pay for eShop purchases instead of having to type out the details each time or have the system store them itself.

you don't have to - you put your PIN in and that's it

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you don't have to - you put your PIN in and that's it

Yeah, as I said - the system is storing the details. I'd rather they not be stored anywhere at all and I just swipe my card when needed - secure in that there are no details for anyone to get at stored anywhere, and easy in that I don't need to enter any information when I do want to purchase something.

It's not a game changer or anything, would just be nice and convenient.

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I was enjoying this thread until it got too technical. What on earth are NFC's or IAP's?

Shame as once the anti WiiU brigade had left it was an interesting read.

NFC is some sort of magic where a chip can be read & written to by placing it close to a device (in this case the Gamepad). The chip can can have some storage or fixed data and be hidden inside a plastic toy. So you can put your Pokemon figure on/near the gamepad and its data can be read into the game or stored back in the toy.

IAP = In App Purchases. Buying digital stuff within in the game (not a separate shop).

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NFC is some sort of magic where a chip can be read & written to by placing it close to a device (in this case the Gamepad). The chip can can have some storage or fixed data and be hidden inside a plastic toy. So you can put your Pokemon figure on/near the gamepad and its data can be read into the game or stored back in the toy.

IAP = In App Purchases. Buying digital stuff within in the game (not a separate shop).

Blimey, I want NFC right now!

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scottcr

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the key thing about NFC is that it stores upgrade information...

Unlike Skylanders (because it's so expensive and you always know what you're buying) - this will be more like Pannini Stickers. You go to the supermarket and on the way out the door, take a chance get a get a new mans... but then you play that mans in your game and unlock powers and upgrade it etc..

You then have a Pikachu, but its a special Pikachu... whereas with stickers you would go 'ach - every one has that one of Luke and Yoda', you'd then have a common character but you've increased its swap value significantly through, ahem, grinding... and can use it to swap in for a more rare character you really want.

I imagine that in the places that do trades (in game shops, market stalls etc) they could effectively give your PIkachu a value by looking at its upgraded states on the portal.

I may, of course, be talking utter shite.

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rgraves

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Yep. So what happens when you want something that costs more than that? Or when you can't be arsed fetching your wallet? A lost sale.

Are you being deliberately odd? The NFC transactions would be in addition to anything that's currently there, it wouldn't be NFC or nothing in terms of payment opptions. If you wanted to, you'd go ahead with purchases for stuff over £20 in exactly the same way as you do now (either storing your card details on the system or entering them afresh each time). Not every card is contactless anyway, so they'd have to retain the tradition payment workflows.

As I said, it would just be a nice, convenient, additional way of quickly making medium/small transactions in the eShop.

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Are you being deliberately odd? The NFC transactions would be in addition to anything that's currently there, it wouldn't be NFC or nothing in terms of payment opptions. If you wanted to, you'd go ahead with purchases for stuff over £20 in exactly the same way as you do now (either storing your card details on the system or entering them afresh each time). Not every card is contactless anyway, so they'd have to retain the tradition payment workflows.

As I said, it would just be a nice, convenient, additional way of quickly making medium/small transactions in the eShop.

I'm not being deliberately odd at all. Contactless payment makes sense in a shop, because it speeds up the checkout process for small purchases. Online systems already let you store your card details so there's no advantage at all to be had there.

If you're genuinely worried about using your card online, then don't use it online. The details don't have to be saved to be compromised. Using NFC wouldn't make things any more secure.

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Using NFC wouldn't make things any more secure.

I'm no expert, but surely not having your card details stored on the system at all is more secure than having them stored (either in part or in whole)?

In which case, using NFC for the everyday eShop/dlc stuff and then just one-off entering details for the occasional large purchase is more secure than storing the details on the system all the time?

The advantage I see for NFC is no storage of details at all coupled with no data entry at all required for purchases of £20 or less. How is that not the case?

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I'm no expert, but surely not having your card details stored on the system at all is more secure than having them stored (either in part or in whole)?

I was actually talking about using NFC versus typing your details in every time there. Obviously, having one party store tons of card information is going to be less secure. But less secure doesn't mean insecure.

The advantage I see for NFC is no storage of details at all coupled with no data entry at all required for purchases of £20 or less. How is that not the case?

You see it as an advantage because you don't want to store your card details. Is this actually an issue for the majority? I doubt it.

You buy it from Zavvi for less than that.

Not if they don't sell it.

This is such a stupid thing to be discussing.

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