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kensei

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Well when GM looked like it was going bust, Ford was one of the biggest voices for a bailout was Ford. Companies don't have such a simple view. Neither MS or Sony will be happy about Nintendo's situation if they think it means a shrinking market or harms third parties in the long run.

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Venice Cull

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Nintendo really should have made sure games like Bioshock Infinite would be coming out for the wiiu. Sure it would have cost them but it would have been worth it.

I'm not convinced that multiplatform games like Bioshock appearing on the WiiU would cause a flood of current gen owners to lash out on a new piece of hardware. What it needs is a couple of games like Bioshock all to itself to shift units.

Nintendo really should open its war chest and deliver something huge, out of its comfort zone and mass market that leaves us with no choice but to purchase one. A Half Life, a Halo - basically an out and out system seller outside of their existing franchises (which, whilst extremely popular are only preaching to the choir) that creates a significant buzz.

Easier said than done obviously, but I think if the wind blows the right way they may pull something out of the bag.

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gizmo1990

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Personally I would be convinced that it would have averted the kind of 'almost hysteria' surrounding the console currently.

If say 2 years back Nintendo had reached out to third parties, opened their cheque book and said 'we need your game on our new system' they would now be in the position to launch games alongside a steady stream of current releases. It's not rocket science to see how this would help matters.

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Venice Cull

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I'd have gone with the Super Mario 64 2 to launch with - something that would have mopped up the core gamers and generated a lot of goodwill across the gaming press. I think the sentiment amongst gamers (aside from the die hard Nintendo fans) seems to be one of disappointment, and I think this lack of buzz means there's no outward ripple into the wider gaming market.

Nintendo just got lazy thinking they could launch with NSMB and an Ubi title. I really don't know what they expected to happen with that launch strategy.

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Venice Cull

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But they aren't games that sell a launch console are they? (Well, clearly). NSMB games are Milky Way games - nice snacks you can eat between the Zeldas and Metroids - and I think gamers were getting a little fatigued by them anyway (but I don't want to speak for everyone, it's just my hunch).

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TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap

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...do people seriously not remember the PS3 launch? Particularly in Europe?

Yes, the PS3 launch was also a disaster. And it took Sony years and years to recover by churning out some excellent games but they still ended up last this generation (although last month they were on a par of slightly ahead or something). Why?

Sony had 2 things the Wii U so far lacks - full third party support and some killer first party titles.

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Yes, the PS3 launch was also a disaster. And it took Sony years and years to recover by churning out some excellent games but they still ended up last this generation (although last month they were on a par of slightly ahead or something). Why?

Yes and Sony are preparing to launch a new console, hardly a death knell.

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Venice Cull

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I agree with everything Uncle Clive is saying...

I'd like to see them totally go to town with a new franchise. They've got the skill and the money...

Why thank you....

But I'm not sure it's a 'Nintendo' game they need - the type of game I'm talking about is just not in their development culture or DNA - it's something far away from their comfort zone. I'm thinking throwing £150 million+ at 2K or Bethesda or one of the big 'game world' creators and overseeing them (adding their own Nintendo spin on proceedings) and basically dropping a bomb on the gaming world.

It needs to do what Halo did for the Xbox (basically, ensured it lasted beyond a single generation, and created an attractive enough user base for publishers to invest in). Everything snowballs from there.

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Sony had 2 things the Wii U so far lacks - full third party support and some killer first party titles.

Sony also had a few other advantages that Nintendo don't have - they had the media player aspect of the console, somewhat of a novelty in 2007, especially Blu-ray - but nobody's going to be buying the Wii U as a media box. Perhaps more importantly, Sony had the knowledge that the schedule for the next 3 years at least was clean - that there was nothing on the horizon that could do anything to the PS3's business plan, that even though Sony initially had a crappy hand, at least they knew what game was being played.

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therearerules

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The problem is, when you look back at the Wii Fit, that was universally advertised and it was clear that it was an accesory for the Wii that could make you lose weight. If you were lucky enough to catch a glimpse of the Wii U advert, you'd see it was an accessory which let you play games on a pad and throw throwing stars at the screen, fun enough, but for some reason it wasn't sold seperately- you had to buy the Wii again (and for a lot more money)!

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Why thank you....

But I'm not sure it's a 'Nintendo' game they need - the type of game I'm talking about is just not in their development culture or DNA - it's something far away from their comfort zone. I'm thinking throwing £150 million+ at 2K or Bethesda or one of the big 'game world' creators and overseeing them (adding their own Nintendo spin on proceedings) and basically dropping a bomb on the gaming world.

It needs to do what Halo did for the Xbox (basically, ensured it lasted beyond a single generation, and created an attractive enough user base for publishers to invest in). Everything snowballs from there.

Yeap - I suppose when I mean new IP I'm thinking 'let Retro do whatever they want'

Didn't Retro poach one of the bit Uncharted guys? Or did I dream that?

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gizmo1990

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All this stuff about new ips and titles down the line are missing the point for me. The gate's on the ground and Epona has galloped off over the horizon..

What can Nintendo do now, ie in the next 4-6 months to arrest this development? Talking about games which are going to appear next year or Christmas time even just doesn't cut it for me.

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It's really looking rather tragic for Wii U at the moment. Personally I don't think a price cut will do much for them. I've got the cash to go out today and buy one, but I honestly don't know what games I'd buy for it once I had to choose. Nintendo should have used this year head start to woo the core with a raft of appealing launch titles, and they should have used some of their war chest to bankroll even more exclusives for the system, and ensure healthy third party support.

I just cant believe how badly they're squandering the best chance they had at staying relevant against the upcoming new machines from MS and Sony.

Another thing which puts me off investing in the Wii U is their archaic account system. Having your digital purchases tied to the machine and not a separate user account is such a dated and clumsy way of handling things, that even when I do get one, I doubt I'll be using the e-shop much at all.

I genuinely want to see the big N do well, but they've got nobody to blame but themselves for the Wii U's current struggles.

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Why thank you....

But I'm not sure it's a 'Nintendo' game they need - the type of game I'm talking about is just not in their development culture or DNA - it's something far away from their comfort zone. I'm thinking throwing £150 million+ at 2K or Bethesda or one of the big 'game world' creators and overseeing them (adding their own Nintendo spin on proceedings) and basically dropping a bomb on the gaming world.

It needs to do what Halo did for the Xbox (basically, ensured it lasted beyond a single generation, and created an attractive enough user base for publishers to invest in). Everything snowballs from there.

This, exactly this!

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Soo Denim

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...do people seriously not remember the PS3 launch? Particularly in Europe?

PS3 also sold double what WiiU has done in the same time frame.

If you want to say PS3 had a bad launch(and I agree it wasn't great), how do you judge a device with less third party response, no media capabilities, viewed as under powered compared to PS4 or new xbox and selling less than half the PS3 did?

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