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I find it even funnier that you think that I think that.

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I misread your post, that sentence and the later one about MS and Sony releasing more powerful hardware.

Well, those people were wrong because the Dreamcast had better games.

And the Dreamcast was the successor to the Saturn. And the PS2 was the successor to the PS.

You seem to be confused about why people might choose one over the other.

On a sidenote the Dreamcast's games were overrated, and I thought that at the time too.

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Where does this "Troubled Nintendo is awesome Nintendo" myth come from anyway? Last time "Troubled Nintendo" brought us the Wii, the worst console of the millenium.

You're joking right? It comes from them time and again producing the goods when the odds are against them. You may not have liked the wii but only a idiot would say it was anything but a huge success. Success is Nintendos greatest enemy, in fact with most companies it generally is, too much resting on their laurels, patting themselves on the back and taking advantage.

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Indeed. So if you took the 'waiting for the console that has the (hardware) staying power for the next gen' out of your argument, it'd work. Because it wasn't true for the DC/PS2 gen, except for people who got suckered in by hype that turned out hollow. That's why I was explaining that this part of your argument - this comparison between the gens - was flawed. Because this time I think there really will be some sort of genuine performance gap. There wasn't back then.

Ok. But my argument is obvious - a proportion of people are waiting for a proper next gen experience. They also want good third party support.

Look, that comment wasn't mean to become some massive thing or a grand thesis. It was just the thought of people waiting for a more powerful, better supported console really made me think of Dreamcast/early PS2 era. But I said later that I wasn't making a direct comparison or that the writing is on the wall for the WiiU. I don't think it is.

I also agree with you that the WiiU has a lack of compelling games, is poorly marketed and that there is consumer confusion about it and that these are bigger factors.

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TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap

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And the DS, the best console of all (along with the PS2)

The DS was the successor to the GBA, which at the time was HUGE and printing money all over the place. Hardly a product by 'Troubled Nintendo'.

You're joking right? It comes from them time and again producing the goods when the odds are against them. You may not have liked the wii but only a idiot would say it was anything but a huge success. Success is Nintendos greatest enemy, in fact with most companies it generally is, too much resting on their laurels, patting themselves on the back and taking advantage.

I'm not a Nintendo shareholder, so I really don't care how much they sell. I only care about games, and the Wii has been piss poor in that regard.
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Ok. But my argument is obvious - a proportion of people are waiting for a proper next gen experience. They also want good third party support.

Look, that comment wasn't mean to become some massive thing or a grand thesis. It was just the thought of people waiting for a more powerful, better supported console really made me think of Dreamcast/early PS2 era. But I said later that I wasn't making a direct comparison or that the writing is on the wall for the WiiU. I don't think it is.

I also agree with you that the WiiU has a lack of compelling games, is poorly marketed and that there is consumer confusion about it and that these are bigger factors.

Just so my posts in this thread aren't completely off-topic, I should perhaps add that I still haven't got a WiiU, so I can't actually pass judgment on its worth, and I'm not really trying to (except its perceived worth to me, personally, a judgment we all make before buying - or at least, one which I hope we make). The main factor putting me off right now is price, and set against that - perhaps obviously - a sense of how 'essential' it is. What doesn't factor in for me at all is how its hardware will compare to the rivals that will appear next year.

I just think that over £380 for the premium + ZombiU + Mario is a bit much. It certainly cost a lot less than that for the GC + Luigi's Mansion + whatever it was I also got (that came to less than £200 iirc), or for the Wii + Zelda + bundled Wii Sports + whatever else I got with that (which came to about £250 I think). And they were more affluent days for many of us, certainly for me. Plus, of the little goes I've had of WiiU Mario (I've only seen and read about ZombiU) I don't think that WiiU lineup is as good as either of those. Even after the (to me) disappointing Skyward Sword, if there'd been a new Zelda out I might have caved. Certainly if there had been a new 3D Mario I would have. Even the new Pikmin could have sold it, or a new Luigi's Mansion (with the pad and all, I'm still surprised one of these isn't chalked up for the machine).

I mean, I know why the system costs more. But it is a lot more. And I know why these titles aren't there. But still, they're not there, and they're not exactly imminent either. And for me, in these times of financial constraint and uncertainty, a lineup that looks 'ok' isn't a good reason to fork out £380 and then sit twiddling your thumbs for a few months waiting to see what comes out next. What doesn't put me off at all is the hardware or its power, or the thought that something with swisher, slicker graphics will come out next year. And the controller looks fine to me. If I had kids, I guess it'd make more sense - local multiplayer means next to nothing to me, and Nintendoland might as well not exist. I'm also not bothered at all about *any* console's 'social' features, so Miiverse is pretty much as small beer to me as is party chat on Live. I'm only really interested in the games and the price, and so far there's not enough of the former to justify the latter.

Pretty boring reasons, really. But they do lead me to have not bought a Nintendo home console at launch for the first time in four gens, and I reckon I'm not the only one in the same boat. I was even impressed with the Wii's launch (and I'd argue that this is natural, as it - and especially that controller - were, at the time, impressive, and felt genuinely exciting and different). But I think that all went slowly to hell, as the promise of genuinely new and imaginative experiences died. I dunno, I don't have the confidence in Nintendo that I once had. I'm definitely waiting for something genuinely brilliant to come out before buying into the WiiU, instead of just expecting that it'll happen and relying on faith. (This is true of the other manufacturers too, btw, but then it always has been of them, whereas with Nintendo I'd feel a certain confidence that said I didn't really need to try before I bought.)

Like I say, dull reasons for not jumping on board yet, but I'd be surprised of they weren't fairly commonly shared by many fans of Nintendo's previous output.

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Don't you love the Uncharted games?

Yes but let's not pretend that games companies are flourishing in creative juices on more powerful hardware. I've got 3 Uncharted games but I'd like to think I've a wide variety of titles.

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I have to agree with Gorf King, it's a similar situation as to why I haven't got a Wii U yet. Personally, I don't give a fuck about specs and was getting bored of consoles by the end of the GCs lifespan. Mostly due to games being so similar, boring and just not trying anything different. The Wii, at the time of launch, really flew in the face of that. It had a new control system, Nintendo said " screw graphics, it's about FUN!" And I bought it into it. And then hardly any publishers really made the most of the controller, showing to me how redundant they were with ideas. It seemed that the rest of the console business was moving towards "space marines and grey CoD rip offs".

What annoyed me was Nintendo dropped the whole control innovation by the end, with most games rarely using it. Then with the Wii U, it was as if they were saying "yeah, we couldn't get the whole motion thing working, so here's a ridiculously expensive console instead. With a sort of tablet screen. And no decent games."

I know (or hope) Nintendo will change it by releasing some stunning games- and like a sucker I'll buy it, but at the moment I really can't justify that much money for something that doesn't interest me. However, I still wouldn't be interested in the next Ps or Xbox... No matter how many billions of pixels they have.

And I think that's what's happening- general apathy towards it. Only Nintendo can fix it by having some great games....

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Hardly the stuff of legends, is it? Xenoblade Chronicles is the only one in that list that I could rate as 'great' (even though I didn't like it, but that's because I'm not in to JRPGs). And was published by Nintendo. My point still stands I think.

Have you played Silent Hill? It's fucking great.
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TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap

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Pretty sure I remember you singing the praises of HOTD when it came out. Also, remake or not, Goldeneye was pretty decent.

HotD is great fun when you've got a mate around and had a couple of beers. But if you put it up against something like Skyrim or Max Payne 3 (or Dark Souls or Vanquish or whatever your poison is) it hardly measures up. Nice to waste a Saturday night on though.

Have you played Silent Hill? It's fucking great.

No, I haven't. I'll keep that in mind next time I boot up my Wii. I might have it somewhere.

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The most baffling omission for me was the lack of a Mario Golf game. It would have been perfect - take the gameplay of the Wii Sports Golf minigame, add loads of courses and tournament / play modes, bung in a bunch of Nintendo characters and done.

The closest thing was Camelot's 'We Love Golf', but that wasn't very good unfortunately.

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No, I haven't. I'll keep that in mind next time I boot up my Wii. I might have it somewhere.

Don't bother, it's fucking shit. There are so many things wrong with it I don't know where to start. Awful game.
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I didn't get anywhere near the end. I gave up at some place where I had to make my way through a series of rooms and all these weird white things were after me, which sent you back to the beginning of the area if they caught you. It was terrible.

Maybe something amazing happens after that bit, but up to that point everything about it was fucking atrocious and that was the final nail in its coffin.

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Well, there hasn't been a single great third party game on the Wii during its lifespan. Even the GameCube did a lot better than that.

You're right. There wasn't a single one. There were quite a few:

A Boy and Hos Blob

Alien Crush Returns

Boom Blox

Cave Story

de Blob

Dead Space Extraction

Driift Mania

Eledees

escapeVektor

Final Fantasy: MLAADL

Geometry Wars Galaxies

Ghost Squad

House of the Dead Overkill

Lit

Little King's Story

MadWorld

Mega Man 9

Mega Man 10

Monster Hunter Tri

Muramasa

No More Heroes

Rabbids Go Home

Resident Evil 4

Sam & Max

Strong Bad Eps 1-5

Tales of Monkey Island 1-5

World of Goo

Zack and Wiki

So yeah, not many. And they're only the ones I have.

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