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What's this gen 4 shite? If we're going by consoles, surely it's the 6th?

Or the 8th by Wikipedia's count:
  1. Magnavox Odyssey, Coleco Telstar, Atari Pong, Nintendo Color TV Game
  2. Atari 2600 & 5200, Mattel Intellivison
  3. NES, Master System, Atari 7800
  4. Mega Drive, SNES, PC-Engine, Neo Geo
  5. 3DO, Saturn, PlayStation, N64
  6. Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox
  7. Wii, PS3, Xbox 360

If we buy into the "gen 4" stuff, it implies EA restarted counting at the beginning of the "3D era" with the PlayStation and N64. It's not unreasonable to portray that as being a sea change over the former generation, I'd say, with a shift from cartridges to optical media, from 2d to 3d, from sprites to realtime renderers, from more bespoke hardware to COTS hardware, and so on.

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No price cut for the WiiU, says Iwata:

Nintendo has no plans to drop the price of its struggling Wii U console, it has announced, despite early sales being poorer than predicted.

Company president Satoru Iwata pledged not to cut the price of the Wii U during his quarterly address to investors, following the announcement of lower Wii U salesexpectations.

Nintendo already sells the console at a loss, Iwata reasoned, so a price cut at this time would be a risky move.

"With Wii U, we have taken a rather resolute stance in pricing it below its manufacturing cost, so we are not planning to perform a markdown," he explained. "I would like to make this point absolutely clear.

"We are putting our lessons from Nintendo 3DS to good use, as I have already publicly stated. However, given that it has now become clear that we have not yet fully communicated the value of our product, we will try to do so before the software line-up is enhanced and at the same time work to enrich the software line-up which could make consumers understand the appeal of Wii U."

Iwata conceded that Wii U had lost momentum after its initial launch sales peak.

"We delivered Wii U to those consumers who we thought would be the first to buy it, but information has not successfully been passed on to those consumers who we think will be the next people to buy it," he lamented.

"People always try to compare the sales of Wii U with that of Wii, but the current situation is requiring us to focus upon how to re-energise Wii U sales irrespective of any comparisons with the previous platforms."

Robbed from Eurogamer. Mind you, it's not like they're going to turn around and say "Yeah, there'll be a price cut in March. You might wanna hold out till then!"

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Dismissing a company that sold $1.18 bn of stuff in the last three months as irrelevant is rather bold and rather premature. EA remains a behemoth in the industry.

Absolutely but I think rather than being irrelevant, EA aren't particularly commanding, if that makes sense? Like when Sony had ISS Pro Evolution on the PS1/2, it was considered a deal breaker for the other consoles. Now it's multiplatform and while it's not the industry leader, if FIFA stopped selling Konami would be in there like a shot.

Same with Battlefield, if they don't bring it to the Wii U then Activision will just laugh at them.

EA will do well if they maintain the status quo but unless they do something seismic, they won't be in a position to dictate anything.

Besides, it's terribly unprofessional carrying on the way they are.

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If the WiiU does GameCube numbers and makes profit for Nintendo - they won't go the way of Sega.

When comparing MS, Sony and Nintendo you're not comparing like for like

Since the Famicom, every single Nintendo home console has sold to less and less people, until the arrival of the Wii, but I've always felt the success of that machine did not fundamentally fix the underlying reasons for why Nintendo home consoles were appealing to less and less gamers over time, the Blue Ocean crowd they attracted to the Wii is seemingly even more fickle than long term consumers of games.

SEGA fell over because of the money lost on the 32X and Saturn leading to them not having enough money to play out the Dreamcast story, if they had the money in the bank, it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that they could have sold similar amounts to what Nintendo and Microsoft did that generation, but you could argue they had the same problem as Nintendo do, less appeal over time due to more mass appeal (to gamers) alternative platforms becoming available sucking away their potential userbase.

Sony and now Microsoft appeal more to long term buyers than what Nintendo put out, the Xbox handily beat the GameCube in the West, even if the overall figures paint a more closer race, just like when Sony arrived and stole a huge chunk of the competition's potential customer base on their first try.

What's this gen 4 shite? If we're going by consoles, surely it's the 6th?

Supposedly it is based on DICE's definition of console generations, Generations are defined by the introduction of the 3D hardware accelerator, so Gen1 is the PlayStation, etc.

The person who leaked some Wii U details ages ago seems to know what's up at EA:

Yes, there are multiple EA projects for the Wii U in development currently. None of them are based off their current Gen4 projects(which you will see at e3). They are all ports/adaptations of Gen3 franchise assets.
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Nintendo have been on an inexorable downward spiral as long as you ignore all the bits where they weren't on an inexorable downward spiral

You mean if I ignore the Wii?, like the massmarket is ignoring its successor?, despite launching with a collection of things showing off it's unique interface and a new 2D follow-up to one of its best selling games.

The facts speak for themselves. they've sold less home consoles between 1990-2006 every generation, despite the overall potential market getting significantly bigger every generation, why is that? obviously they don't have some fundamental problems which the Wii magically fixed by selling to lapsed gamers and people who normally don't give a shit about games.

This is what EA said yesterday about their stance on it, and you have to consider they were one of the few major publishers Nintendo managed to convince to show public support at E3.

Q: Wii U — you're not pursing aggressively. What does this say about consumers adopting next-generation consoles in the future?

A: Never count Nintendo out. They have great IP. You will see a bounce when they bring these IPs out. We see no correlation between Wii U sales and what we expect from other next-gen consoles, can't talk a lot about that though. What we describe as "Gen 4" is yet to come. We're excited and investing in it.

So never count Nintendo out, but at the same time, never fully back Nintendo, no conflict there then. It would be nice if people could look a bit deeper and question why Nintendo has the support problems they do have, rather than resorting to the usual memes and knee-jerk defenses.

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Since the Famicom, every single Nintendo home console has sold to less and less people, until the arrival of the Wii, but I've always felt the success of that machine did not fundamentally fix the underlying reasons for why Nintendo home consoles were appealing to less and less gamers over time, the Blue Ocean crowd they attracted to the Wii is seemingly even more fickle than long term consumers of games.

SEGA fell over because of the money lost on the 32X and Saturn leading to them not having enough money to play out the Dreamcast story, if they had the money in the bank, it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that they could have sold similar amounts to what Nintendo and Microsoft did that generation, but you could argue they had the same problem as Nintendo do, less appeal over time due to more mass appeal (to gamers) alternative platforms becoming available sucking away their potential userbase.

Sony and now Microsoft appeal more to long term buyers than what Nintendo put out, the Xbox handily beat the GameCube in the West, even if the overall figures paint a more closer race, just like when Sony arrived and stole a huge chunk of the competition's potential customer base on their first try.

I do rather think Nintendo could so quite nicely to keep the handheld hardware going and publish games for the successors to the 360 and PS3. It's not that they'll necessarily lose money in the hardware business but more that they might make more money by publishing new games on other consoles and opening up their back catalog to things like Xbox Live.

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I do rather think Nintendo could so quite nicely to keep the handheld hardware going and publish games for the successors to the 360 and PS3. It's not that they'll necessarily lose money in the hardware business but more that they might make more money by publishing new games on other consoles and opening up their back catalog to things like Xbox Live.

Their portable business doesn't have the same problems as their home business does, they've agressively ensured that in Japan already, and if it falls over in the face of Apple/Android/etc in the West, they have a profitable home market to retreat to, but if they had paid more than lip service to some of the things they mentioned before the Wii U launched, I'd be more positive about the outlook for that machine, but it currently has the same problems as several past Nintendo home consoles had.

But hey, you never know, a Hail Mary new killer app game would change the story, they haven't shown anything to say that is coming though, just the usual stuff.

They wouldn't go third party unless they have zero other choices, just like the last console manufacturer to bow out.

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The facts speak for themselves. they've sold less home consoles between 1990-2006 every generation, despite the overall potential market getting significantly bigger every generation, why is that?

I don't know, but if this is going to be your argument then why did Sony sell less PS3s than PS2s? And why are they selling less Vitas than PSPs?

Do Sony have same fundamental problem they need to address with Orbis as well, or are the rules different for anyone that isn't Nintendo?

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So, still no suggestion of GTAV on WiiU but Rockstar have announced a 17th September release date.

Probably reading between the lines a bit, but presumably they've got a better grasp on when the new consoles are arriving. Do we reckon that this means Nintendo will have another year with a sparkly new box all to themselves? Could really help them gather some momentum.

Of course, I'm probably putting two and two together and getting cheese or something.

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I don't know, but if this is going to be your argument then why did Sony sell less PS3s than PS2s? And why are they selling less Vitas than PSPs?

Do Sony have same fundamental problem they need to address with Orbis as well, or are the rules different for anyone that isn't Nintendo?

Microsoft came along and stole a chunk of their customer base with the PS3, PSV has no games and piss poor support so it's doing less well than the PSP, not hard to figure those 2 out.

If the next Sony home console continues to lose customers despite a growing overall market, then we'd have begin asking why that is, just like anybody with a clue would question why Nintendo went from selling ~62 Million consoles to a mere ~22 Million consoles by 2006, over the span of 4 hardware platforms, despite the market growing massively in that time frame.

They went from selling 118+ Million portables a decade ago to selling 150+ Million portables, despite an actual viable competitor the last round so whatever the problems with their home console appeal, they don't have the same problems in portables currently.

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Microsoft came along and stole a chunk of their customer base with the PS3

And Sony didn't come along and similarly steal a chunk of the Nintendo customer base with the PS/PS2?

just like anybody with a clue would question why Nintendo went from selling ~62 Million consoles to a mere ~22 Million consoles by 2006, over the span of 4 hardware platforms, despite the market growing massively in that time frame.

Well isn't it kind of obvious in many ways - Sony stole a large chunk of their market, and then the market that was there was carved into three pieces instead of the historic two.

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This is probably what he was writing: >> http://www.nintendo....0131/index.html

Satoru Iwata has been Nintendo’s corporate president and CEO for over a decade. But if the company can’t reach a goal of 100 billion yen in operating income for the next fiscal year, Iwata has hinted that he may be willing to step down.

Bring back crazy old coot Yamauchi!

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Panic Nintendo is Best Nintendo

Part of their problem is there are lot of 'wait and see' core consumers,

If the next Mario game is good they'll buy it -

If the next Zelda is good they'll buy it.... But there's these other big machines coming out this year and there are only so many pennies.

Ensuring ZombiU exclusivity would be nice too... And confirming a sequel.

We're long overdue 1080, Waverace and FZero update as well.

Especially Waverace. No one has come close to the brilliant original. Not even Nintendo...

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