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Yoshimax

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Which is pretty much what everyone ran around and said when we had PSP vs DS, Wii vs 360/PS3, 3DS vs Vita.

I'm not saying this is going to turn out the same, nobody can really predict it at this point, but I think we can confidently say that just having more powerful hardware is not an instant route to success - and that anyone who does believe that is the one in, as you so lovingly put it, in 'cloud cuckoo land'.

There's no guarantee of anything but the insane multi-million dollar marketing blitz as MS and Sony square off after Summer is going to pretty much steamroll the wiiU right out of the public psyche. There's nothing wrong with it per-se (I like mine) but I think they really needed it to fly at launch and it just hasn't happened. In the face of MS & Sony's upcoming boxes (and let's face it COD is going to be on both of them at Xmas looking vastly superior to the 360/PS3/wiiU versions whilst likely sharing the online installed base of each respective platform via live or psn) I can't see them picking up momentum now.

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mushashi

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I'm quite content if this just ends up doing a vita, trundling along with a steady trickle of titles to keep my interest over the next 12 to 24 months..

At least I've got one and can enjoy it right now, whilst waiting for the dust to settle over the other next gen stuff. Poor sales figures are only a concern to me if Nintendo decide to pull the plug, which lets face it despite how much some people (for some bizarre reason) seem to want this to fail, just ain't going to happen., anytime soon at least.

That's an interesting attitude to hold, the numbers matter because ultimately they decide whether the stuff you like continues to get made and whether a company continues to make hardware, I've never understood the I don't care about the practical reality of sales attitude some people hold, instead they have some weird self-centred "as long as I'm being served I don't care" attitude to things.

The Wii U is currently on the trajectory of resuming Nintendo's descent into irrelevance as a home console manufacturer, which arguably started as soon as a viable competitor emerged to challenge them, the numbers don't lie, and the Wii is seemingly more of an abberation to that long term trend, the result of fishing in the Blue Ocean, which isn't proving very sustainable a strategy at present as they are back fishing in the Red Ocean, and that is a losing game for them.

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The first was the MegaDrive, cut into their total market share, the SFC sold less than the FC, and the machine after that one sold less and so on. Feel free to look up the numbers, they show a clear longterm decline, the success of the Wii isn't translating into appreciable benefit for the Wii U so far, and unless they have new killer app software like on the Wii to bring in new people, GameCube redux.

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That's an interesting attitude to hold, the numbers matter because ultimately they decide whether the stuff you like continues to get made and whether a company continues to make hardware, I've never understood the I don't care about the practical reality of sales attitude some people hold, instead they have some weird self-centred "as long as I'm being served I don't care" attitude to things.

You think it's weird to care more about your own enjoyment than that of a legion of other unknown, unrelated people?

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That's an interesting attitude to hold, the numbers matter because ultimately they decide whether the stuff you like continues to get made and whether a company continues to make hardware, I've never understood the I don't care about the practical reality of sales attitude some people hold, instead they have some weird self-centred "as long as I'm being served I don't care" attitude to things.

Really!.. So you think its odd that I'm getting enjoyment out of the machine, and looking forward to the lineup of exclusive titles over the next six months.. instead of getting all hung up over how poorly its sold, and speculating over how long the bloody things going to be around for?

Didn't actually realise that was me being self-centred.

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The first was the MegaDrive, cut into their total market share, the SFC sold less than the FC, and the machine after that one sold less and so on. Feel free to look up the numbers, they show a clear longterm decline, the success of the Wii isn't translating into appreciable benefit for the Wii U so far, and unless they have new killer app software like on the Wii to bring in new people, GameCube redux.

If the WiiU does GameCube numbers and makes profit for Nintendo - they won't go the way of Sega.

When comparing MS, Sony and Nintendo you're not comparing like for like

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Doesn't someone on here know the guy that set up the kickstarter? Maybe he could put a word in and add another banner if we pay for it.

Yeah S0L I think.. He's one of the artists that worked on Sonic Racing Transformed.

...quick to the PM'mobile!

May actually have some movement on this... dropped S0L a message and hes kindly going to mention it to the guy, to see if we can work something out.

Early days but it may happen.. would just need to work out logistics of payment, money collection and who gets the pledge/tier reward.... this is all subject to it actually coming to WiiU of course.

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May actually have some movement on this... dropped S0L a message and hes kindly going to mention it to the guy, to see if we can work something out.

Early days but it may happen.. would just need to work out logistics of payment, money collection and who gets the pledge/tier reward.... this is all subject to it actually coming to WiiU of course.

"If" it does, count me in for a pledge to the rllmuk banner. Actually would we have to clear it with the powers that be around here first?

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Year on year sales for every platform have gone down since about 2009/2010.

No, I get that (and appreciate the graph, cheers) but what I mean is can we be sure that's the reason why? The recession isn't something that we can ignore.

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The first was the MegaDrive, cut into their total market share, the SFC sold less than the FC, and the machine after that one sold less and so on. Feel free to look up the numbers, they show a clear longterm decline, the success of the Wii isn't translating into appreciable benefit for the Wii U so far, and unless they have new killer app software like on the Wii to bring in new people, GameCube redux.

Incidentally, I wish that instead of the Wii there had been a GameCube Redux, namely a machine that had (nearly) all the big multiformat hits of the day with comparable graphics, played with a slightly different controller, bolstered by Nintendo's own first-and second- party wonders. In other words, what the Wii U could had it been launched three years earlier... <_<

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Well EA just had a conference call and pretty much shit on nintendo. They refered to the upcoming machines as "Gen 4" and did include the WiiU in it. This despite the WiiU being a fairly new tech machine and sharing a number of traits with the design of MS's machine (same sort of memory configuration for example). The thing is we all know that the real reason of this is EA not being allow to use origin on the WiiU. Basically they threw their toys out the pram.

Oh an EA blamed the poor sales of MoH on poor marketing and bad reviews. Not on the game being a pile of shit which cost a boat load to make. EA need to learn that spending lots of money making a game doesn't necessarily mean that it will sell well or even play well. Even worse when cost for making next gen games are going to be much higher.

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The thing is that EA need to realise that this isn't the Dreamcast era any more. There are devs and publishers begging for a chance and if they don't bother with the Wii U because of Origin then someone else will take up that place.

Looking at their stable, reasonably we can expect these to be the major titles over the next couple of years:

Battlefield

Burnout Paradise 2

Crysis

Dead Space

Dragon Age

FIFA

Madden

Mass Effect

NBA

NHL

Need for Speed

Activision have already put Black Ops 2 out on the Wii U and have shown that they're willing to put their games on a Nintendo system regardless. So if Battlefield is merely re-released on the next MS and Sony consoles, they're going to have to also put it on the Wii U just to go up against Activision.

Burnout Paradise 2, I have no idea if this is actually happening but if it is, I don't see it being a huge deal if it didn't make it to Nintendo.

Crysis is a tough one. It's a game that shows off the capabilities of the machine that it's on but on the other hand it doesn't look like it's a big seller.

FIFA is already on the Wii U and I think so is NBA. So what's it going to achieve? They can't afford to withdraw support because Activision, Konami and Ubisoft will move in to plug the gaps. Making shit ports is just going to make them look bad rather than reflect badly on Nintendo if, again, the competition steps up.

If they feel so strongly about Origin, why don't they start bringing their PC fare to the console? The Sims and SimCity would work brilliantly on the Gamepad and they could do something along the lines of Valve's Steamworks that made it onto the PS3.

That's something Nintendo should be chasing up, actually. They should be going to the likes of EA and Sega and telling them they want versions of The Sims, SimCity, Football Manager, RTS games, anything that gives them a step up over the rest. And they should be constantly talking to Valve because if they can get a decent presence on the Wii U, it'll help them stave off competition from whatever Steambox variants will inevitably be targeted at the same market as them.

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EA isn't that relevant anymore, with the only franchises having any impact being Fifa for the ROW and Madden for the States. They don't have any significant licences and the rest of their games are generic categorised ones anyway (fps modern shooter no 4, or sci-fi horror no 3)

They're also still tied to the old way of thinking when it comes to game design and don't really try anything new. They pretty much failed with doing anything different on the Wii, the Wii U gives exactly the same problem.

They're far too traditional and market research driven in their game design, these days....

(Although I did like grand slam tennis and the exclusive need for speed games on the Wii- but the production was really half arsed)

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Well EA just had a conference call and pretty much shit on nintendo. They refered to the upcoming machines as "Gen 4" and did include the WiiU in it. This despite the WiiU being a fairly new tech machine and sharing a number of traits with the design of MS's machine (same sort of memory configuration for example). The thing is we all know that the real reason of this is EA not being allow to use origin on the WiiU. Basically they threw their toys out the pram.

Oh an EA blamed the poor sales of MoH on poor marketing and bad reviews. Not on the game being a pile of shit which cost a boat load to make. EA need to learn that spending lots of money making a game doesn't necessarily mean that it will sell well or even play well. Even worse when cost for making next gen games are going to be much higher.

I'm really confused by this post. I assume you meant they didn't include the Wii U in Gen 4, otherwise it doesn't really make sense?

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