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A Death Star was under construction at the end of Episode III. There wasn't an operational one for another 20 or so years. They threw together another one in the space of a few years in time for Jedi. Somebody was doing something as important as the events of IV in the time between trilogies.

Wait, so the Empire had built and lost several death stars in between the trilogies?

Edit: ah I see you're not saying that. I figured once you've built something once you can build it way quicker the second time.

Also it looks to me like, while the prequels are officially canon, they are doing their best to ignore that they ever existed.

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Is it just me who thought Ewan was completely duff in the prequels? I hated his Obi-Wan. It is hard to distinguish the performance from the duff script and dialogue but, for example, I felt Liam Neeson, who portrayed a similar sort of character, was much better to watch.

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I liked him for the most part, but it was entirely down to how salvageable the writing was.

When he's at the bar in II and doing the "You don't want to sell me death sticks" bit - great. Feels just like the old guy in the land speeder getting past the Stormtroopers.

When he has to say "Only a Sith deals in absolutes"....Alec Guiness himself couldn't sell that.

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I've actually watched all the prequels quite recently with my 3-year-old son. Even he didn't like them, except the lightsaber fights. But anyway - I can't really think of anything good about them. I mean, I liked looking at Natalie Portman I guess, if you ignore the script. At the end of each film, I just felt a bit sad and deflated really. Before we watched the prequels we watched the Despecialised OT, which was completely brilliant. The bit where Luke nearly loses it in his final fight with Vader is just so powerful.

[A big reason why my son didn't like them is that he's too young yet to understand films. I was able to explain everything about the OT to him while we were watching it. With the PT, I could have made something up maybe, but the taxation thing, and the politics stuff, that's what they're about. Not only is it too complicated for him to understand but also it's too boring for me to try and explain. I simply couldn't be bothered.]

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Whe he has to say "only a sith deals in absolutes"....Alex Guiness himself couldn't sell that.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes, except when someone is saying that only a Sith deals in absolutes, which doesn't count".

But yes, he did do some good deliveries from time to time. His accent fucked it a bit too, like in Ep 1, "the negotiations were short". That could have been a funny line, but having to say it in that plummy accent kills it. Should have given him an estuary accent I reckon.

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SDCC! There's some talk that there'll be no new footage, but that just isn't possible. With any kind of talk like that going around people will be smuggling in tomatoes to pelt the stage.

JJ and Kathleen Kennedy will definitely be there again. In terms of cast nothing is confirmed but I'll be very, very surprised if we don't get Harrison. Most of the others are a lock.

If it isn't a bluff and we don't get a new trailer we're almost certainly going to learn who is who from the undeclared roles.

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There’ve been quite a few directors in that situation recently. Gareth Edwards, Josh Trank, Marc Webb; they all went from low-budget indie stuff straight to 100m+ blockbusters.

Good shout. Maybe this is the ONE TRICK THAT AUDIENCES LOVE that the studios have stumbled on.

Edwards is doing a Star Wars Anthology (sounds great, tbh), Trank is kicked off his Anthology film (Not the just announced Solo movie but believed to be the Boba Fett film) & Webb is on the out after his Spider-Man's were unmitigated shit.

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Why? That was always ridiculous. Yoda and Obi-Wan shouldn't just be sitting on their asses for a couple of decades twiddling their thumbs as the bad-guys take over.

Why? Because that was their situation when we first met them...and it was confirmed by the prequels.

When I first watched Star Wars I thought Obi-Wan (and Yoda) were washed up relics. Numerous characters had established this fact, both good guys and bad. It felt like Obi-Wan had given up, until he happened upon Luke and a droid with a mission. The fortuitous event's of bumping into Luke AND having an important mission gave Obi Wan hope (hence the title). That's why Leia's message to Obi Wan was hinted at a long past relationship "Years ago, you once served my father in the clone wars" that's why Obi-Wan had to convince Yoda to train Luke, that it wasn't to late for the Jedi, that there was still hope left.

The terrible, terrible prequels, while adding needless foreshadowing mysticism to this..."oooh,.. I've learnt magic from beyond the grave" stuck to the script and had Obi Wan and Yoda go into deep hiding because they knew they had failed.

To now have Obi Wan, zipping off winning exciting space battles all this time undermines both narratives. It doesn't fit in with where we first saw him (a lonely old hermit) and where we last saw him (going into exile and keeping a old profile).

More than that, I want to see new characters. That's why I'm interested in the Rogue One movie. Maybe they'll be as interesting and as fascinating and as cool as Obi Wan was. I want to see characters where I feel there is a risk that they might die in a dangerous setting, where I don't know they're going to be around for the next 20 years, where the peril is, you know, real. Like the first movies that we know and love.

I don't want to know the dairy of Obi Wan, or When Han met Chewie, or about Leia's first kiss. These are things that happened a long time ago...I want to know about the future. About something new, and exciting and dangerous. All the things the first movie was.

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When I first watched Star Wars I thought Obi-Wan (and Yoda) were washed up relics. Numerous characters had established this fact, both good guys and bad. It felt like Obi-Wan had given up, until he happened upon Luke and a droid with a mission. The fortuitous event's of bumping into Luke AND having an important mission gave Obi Wan hope (hence the title). That's why Leia's message to Obi Wan was hinted at a long past relationship "Years ago, you once served my father in the clone wars" that's why Obi-Wan had to convince Yoda to train Luke, that it wasn't to late for the Jedi, that there was still hope left.

Very well put, totally where I am with this.

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The Phantom Menace fight at least has the climactic last fight echo the originals Vader kills Obi-wan scene. (but its not close to being as significant to Obi-wan as it is to Luke witnessing a mentor being killed).

It maybe didn't have the emotional impact of Obi-wan's demise to us as viewers but I would imagine that the years Obi-wan had spent with Qui-gon were pretty significant to him. Compare that with the five minutes Luke spent with Obi-wan.

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