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I don't find the additions bad enough to go to the effort of finding and downloading the unaltered ones. Don't get me wrong, some of them are awful (han shooting first, jabba tail step), but many are blink-and-you'll-miss-it. I also think some of you may be surprised how badly the original effects have aged and are different to how you think they look in your head.

"Nooooooooooooooooooooo"

That change alone is worth watching the original RotJ instead of the official version

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Okay, so it appears I haven't actually seen the original Star Wars since '97 when the Special Editions came out.

They changed them a fair bit again didn't they?

Even though the Han/Greedo shoot out is still wrong, it doesn't seem quite as wrong as it did in '97. Did they fiddle with it and make them fire at the same time?

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"Nooooooooooooooooooooo"

That change alone is worth watching the original RotJ instead of the official version

It's an unnecessary addition and a good example of Lucas' complete disconnect from the reality that the fans now owned the movies, but I still don't see how it ruins anything. If it was part of the original no-one would ever mention it. The Emperor always screamed in pain or frustration as Vader lifted him up. He wasn't above being bummed out that he was plummeting to his death.

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Okay, so it appears I haven't actually seen the original Star Wars since '97 when the Special Editions came out.

 

They changed them a fair bit again didn't they?

 

Even though the Han/Greedo shoot out is still wrong, it doesn't seem quite as wrong as it did in '97. Did they fiddle with it and make them fire at the same time?

Yes.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first

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Jug McKenzie

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The thing is, doesn't making obscene amounts of cash generally dictate whether something happens or not? And since releasing the original, unaltered trilogy on Blu-Ray would undoubtedly make insane fortunes for everyone involved, isn't it inevitable that it'll happen sooner or later?

I'm actually hoping we all get a nice surprise regarding this on May the 4th - from next year there's going to be a major Star Wars Blu-Ray release every year, so 2015 is the only empty slot left for releasing the unaltered original trilogy, and it would be perfect for building even more hype for The Force Awakens in December. Here's hoping, anyway.

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It's an unnecessary addition and a good example of Lucas' complete disconnect from the reality that the fans now owned the movies, but I still don't see how it ruins anything. If it was part of the original no-one would ever mention it. The Emperor always screamed in pain or frustration as Vader lifted him up. He wasn't above being bummed out that he was plummeting to his death.

WHAT

The Emperor? What? They dubbed in Vadar mumbling "No... Noooo... Noooooooooooo" when he's watching the Emperor pickle Luke.

That scene was already perfect, the shots of Vadar's helmet, the lighting, the music, it already conveyed Vadar's internal conflict perfectly without the audience needing to hear Vadar literally vocalising it. It's the worst of all the changes I'd say, worse than Han/Greedo. It's the climatic point of Luke and Vadar's story arc, his redemption, the very point of the story, and it's been altered to be a call back to the ridiculous "Nooooooooooo" at the end of Ep 3.

IT'S POETIC.

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For all the changes in the 97 editions, the changes since then have been much more egregious. I never even noticed than Han did shoot first when I used to watch Star Wars pre-97. But the bit where Vader silently watches his son being zapped, before deciding "FUCK THIS SHIT" is etched on my brain.

In fact I don't think I've seen this "noooo" version of Jedi. When was it released?

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To the best of my knowledge, and it's sad we have to maintain this mental version history, Vader never said anything in that scene until the blu ray edition, which was the first edit post Episode III. As a total fanboy I can hand wave a lot of this stuff, but as Sponge says, the scene was perfect. It's worse than the original NOOOOOOO. I mean, here you have the genesis of mechanical Vader, someone utterly feared in the original films, and instead of exploding with anger he wimpers like my dog. And Lucas must have known the reaction to it, yet shoe horns it into the culmination of the story, or even the prophecy if you can stand to consider the prequels.

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Too late, Stu, you sent me down the rabbit hole of Wookiepedia. Apparently it's a real thing as well. It's a poem.

In the time of greatest despair, a child shall be born who will destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force.

It's from the First Great Schism (or at least that's what Jedi Master Sooloot reckons) and it's kept in the Jedi Temple Archives, you know, the one that was built to replace the one they lost in the devastation of Ossus (formally known as Idux when Xim's empire was in control), which was turned into an arid toxic planet after Exar Kun turned to the dark side and detonated the Cron Cluster.

Sadly I didn't make any of that up. :huh:

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In the time of greatest despair, a child shall be born who will destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force.

There was a lot more despair when Luke was born, so I guess it's him. Yoda and Obi Wan also thought so or they wouldn't have made such a big thing about Luke having to face Vadar again to complete his training. I mean that's not in the Jedi hand book is it, the final test once you've passed your "What card is next?" exam can't be "Face and defeat a Sith Lord with more much power and experience than you", can it?

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Although I guess Anakin being born did indirectly lead to the Sith being destroyed and order being brought to the Force so maybe Qui-Gon had a point and oh god please make it stop i don't like sand it's coarse and it's rough and it gets everywhere

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Vader ultimately had the final hand (quite literally) in the Sith's downfall. Lucas has always stated the movies are about Aniken. (downfall and forgiveness)

I don't mind the story continuing of course, and the trailer looks great, but in most ways my head will still treat the new movies as fan fiction here on out.

A series of Old Republic movies (which no doubt will happen someday) I would feel better with.

I'm not denying I'm squee'ing at the sight of Luke and co (and the feel of older Star Wars) being back, though.

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WHAT

The Emperor? What? They dubbed in Vadar mumbling "No... Noooo... Noooooooooooo" when he's watching the Emperor pickle Luke.

That scene was already perfect, the shots of Vadar's helmet, the lighting, the music, it already conveyed Vadar's internal conflict perfectly without the audience needing to hear Vadar literally vocalising it. It's the worst of all the changes I'd say, worse than Han/Greedo. It's the climatic point of Luke and Vadar's story arc, his redemption, the very point of the story, and it's been altered to be a call back to the ridiculous "Nooooooooooo" at the end of Ep 3.

IT'S POETIC.

Serves repeating. Haven't touched blu ray (and beyond?) versions because of this change and this change alone.
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I'm sure I'm remembering it right - in the '97 special eds, as the Falcon takes off from Mos Eisley, one of the ships in another hanger (or taking off, i can't remember) was the same ship that was in the N64 game Shadows of the Empire.

Couldn't see it in the later version, but I'm not just imagining it am I?

God, so many changes...

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I'm sure I'm remembering it right - in the '97 special eds, as the Falcon takes off from Mos Eisley, one of the ships in another hanger (or taking off, i can't remember) was the same ship that was in the N64 game Shadows of the Empire.

Couldn't see it in the later version, but I'm not just imagining it am I?

God, so many changes...

the outrider?

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Jug McKenzie

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The trouble with the Special Edition additions is that they all look out of place due to the dodgy '90s CGI. It makes it even harder to accept them when you're watching the films - they take you right out of the story for a moment because they generally don't match up with the rest of the action. It's ironic that the most dated parts of the original trilogy now are the upgrades George Lucas made to them twenty (+ 17 + 14) years after they first came out.

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Vader ultimately had the final hand (quite literally) in the Sith's downfall. Lucas has always stated the movies are about Aniken. (downfall and forgiveness)

Except for the 40 years before he decided that when he said it was about other things. Lucas has changed his mind a million times and acting like the existing films were ever planned out or had any real structure is ridiculous.

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Let's not forget turning Jabba from a named but unknown menace that one of our hero's fears, who chases Solo through another film and is eventually revealed as a monstrous and disgusting creature, into a comedy anecdote that's trodden on.

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