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Captain Kelsten

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I've ranted about that scene before so I've nothing else to add other than to say that it destroys the best scene in the trilogy. ALL the other stupid FX changes I can handle but that one is so staggeringly ill judged. I'm wondering how easy it would be to get the non "noooooo" audio from a previous version and just overdub those few seconds into the version I have on my hard drive.

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Nope, the grading is fantastic. He combines several sources (including elements of the BR plus the Laserdisc) and you'll be amazed. The fixes to matte lines and th like stay in (so the snowspeeders are no longer translucent, for example) but all the egregious CGI is gone.

A lot of those 'overlit' criticisms in the above ROTJ hate-piece are nullified when you realise most of the issues were down to poor reproduction (if memory serves, practically nothing Lucas issued comes from the original neg remastered) and Harmy does a ton of colour grading to correct it.

For me, they are the greatest fan project ever made (helps that he's a professional editor by trade) and watching these was like sloughing off the horrors of the 'special' editions and stepping back through a door into childhood.

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I've got all the Despecialised Editions but have only watched ANH so far, or Star Wars I should say. It was totally seamless, and about as close to a proper remaster of the original cut as you're going to get for now.

Is anyone else watching Rebels? I didn't have high hopes, but I've found myself really enjoying it so far. It captures the spirit of the original trilogy really well without trying to just copy it, and all the characters have proved to be nuanced and likeable. Even the cameos have been restrained and natural inclusions, and few and far between at that. It's easily the best Star Wars related thing I've experienced since KOTOR 2, and gives me high hopes that Disney know what they're doing with the movies.

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Matt Defis

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Yeah I'm really enjoying Rebels bit I didn't really expect not to considering it's being made by the guys who did Clone Wars which apart from a few duff episodes (George Lucas as Space Batman and anything with Jar Jar) it was pretty excellent throughout especially the the season 5 finale.

Rebels spoilers

Does anyone have any theories on who Heras secret contact Fulcrum is? I think it'll turn out to be Asohka Which could lead to Asohka and Vader meeting and Asohka knowing who he is, that would be amazing.

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Watched the despecialised version of the original with my kids over the weekend, and whilst it's frequently gorgeous and its fucking excellent to see Han giving Greedo a cold blooded murdering, I'd probably not expect the quality people here seem to be attributing to it.

Lots of it (including the Han/Greedo bit) is spectacularly done but there are parts where it's extremely obvious that he's not had access to a decent resolution version of the original scene and it cuts in some really jarring, blurry shots which can be extremely noticeable and a little distracting. The entry to Mos Eisley is worst for this.

It's an amazing achievement, a brilliant project and I love it, but if you go in expecting a perfect 1080p version of the original 77 print you're going to be disappointed.

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Agreed Mogster - I didn't expect much from Rebels but found myself really enjoying it. As you say they've managed to create a likeable set of characters and got a lot of things spot on, without much eye-rolling nostalgia (which was in evidence in the pilot).

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Matt Defis

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What I saw of Clones Wars was absolutely terrible. Did it jump up a notch at some point?

Clone Wars takes a few episodes to find its feet but it's pretty much almost there by the end of season one and has a some cracking episodes, Landing at Point Rain which is the first series is excellent and show the Jedi actually being generals.

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show the Jedi actually being generals.

Are they all generals then? Is that some default setting for jedi? Seems a bit odd. I never thought Kenobi's credentials as a jedi had anything to do with him being a general. Just that he had progressed to general during the war. By doing, you know, war-y things.

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I think in landing at point rain (haven't seen it in a while) there are 4 teams all lead by a jedi that have to rendezvous with each other through hostile territory. They actually interact with their officers and lead from the front and shows why they're considered great warriors.

Opening to landing at Point Rain

Most of the best episodes deal with the Jedi during actual battles right on the front lines of the war. The ones that top them all though tend to be ones that concern Anakin and Asohkas relationship and does an excellent job of showing just how disenfranchised they both become with the Jedi order which culminates with the season 5 finale which for me is quite simply the best thing ever done with the prequels.

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They are meant to be great warriors/knights so they should have good tactics.

That still doesn't mean they are all general material.

I wonder what Lucas had in mind when he came up with the line about fighting in the clone wars, the only mention it gets in the OT. I bet it wasn't anything like what it turned out to be. Bet he just thought it sounded cool.

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I think that was kind of what George Lucas was getting at in the prequels. He just needed a few more rewrites to distill it all down.

Clone Wars takes a few episodes to find its feet but it's pretty much almost there by the end of season one and has a some cracking episodes, Landing at Point Rain which is the first series is excellent and show the Jedi actually being generals.

I'll give season one a watch on us netflix and let you know what I think then.
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I think that the idea of the Jedi as decadent and past their prime was deliberate, so you could have a good reason for them to take Obi Wan off the case and keep him from investigating the Space Mayor's ties to the clone cartels. And then when they fall, it's up to that one good cop to bring justice back to the space streets.

Of course we never get a chance to see the Jedi being good guys before all this happens so they just seem like dicks.

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My mistake ĺanding at point rain is season 2 episode 5.

Season 1 gets better as it goes along but it gets better every season, just skip anything with Jar Jar, Blue George Lucas, the political adventures of Padme and that fucking shitty snail/frog general guy.

There's probably 2 or 3 duff episodes per season but out of 20+ episodes a season it's not too bad.

The Clone Wars really does show the Jedi in a very grey light and not as the good guys at all. The leaders of the order often come across as arrogant, self righteous dicks and more than a few times when they're proven to be in the wrong they explain their bad judgement with "it must be the will of the force" but they sometimes get called on their bullshit.

Some of the back story filled out on them does show that they're banned from certain planets because they are creepy child snatchers that have just come and stolen force sensitive kids in the past.

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