Star Wars: The Force Awakens

[Steven]

I bet they in the new ones they all have iphones and get force test kits over the counter from Boots.

[wev]

Also wasn't Han born on Coruscant?

[Glasgowchivas]

Also wasn't Han born on Coruscant?

Corellia.

I hate that I know this.

[Ivanho]

Corellia.

I hate that I know this.

No you don't, you love it and you know it!

[Matt Defis]

Still Corellia is one of the core worlds and not that far from Coruscant and it's on the main trade route so yeah he'd know.

I love that I know this.

[DocG]

It makes Han's dismissive tones about the force seem ridiculous in ANH. I've already mentioned in this thread that Chewbacca hung out with Yoda and saw Jedi doing their stuff first hand so he might have mentioned them to Han, but really Han or his parents were alive when the Jedi had a massive temple on one of the main planets, Jedi were fucking everywhere running around with their flashy swords and negotiating trade deals, everyone knew about them, basic service droids on trade blockade ships identified them as Jedi immediately, random scrap merchants on shitty border planets are familiar with jedi mind tricks, little slave boys know all about them, a massive war is literally fought by them, and then suddenly everyone forgets all about them in them the space of a few years and it's considered mystical nonsense and hokey religions.

Lucas wrote every single word of all nine screenplays before shooting any of it and never ever made anything up as he went along NEVAR FORGET.

[SeanR]

how did obiwan age from ewan to alec in just 20 years?

[Space Renegade Ulala]

To be fair, 40 years ago it wouldn't have been too unbelievable, people in their 50s used to look like right old gimmers.

[Fury4k]

Plus he's lived a fairly rough life in the middle of a desert for twenty years.

[Stig]

Ewan was 34 when ROTS came out, Alec was 63 in ANH. 20 years later would make it a 9 year difference. After living in harsh environments and in hiding it's not inconceivable that he may not have aged well.

[Hanzo the Razor]

Wasn't Qui-gon supposed to be around 60 in TPM?

[Jg15]

I always found it odd that the gap between RotS and Star Wars was only 20 years. In that time the entire Jedi order (several thousand strong?) was effectively wiped out bar Yoda and Obi Wan. Also Obi Wan and Anakin aging and Han Solos dismissive comment (and the Imperial Officer that Vader force chokes) about the force being some old hokey religion always made me think that the Clone wars took place a good 40-50 years previously which would make all of the above more credible.

I suppose that would mean Anakin was a lot older when he made Padme pregnant which would have made things more interesting from a back story perspective but Lucas couldn't be bothered.

[MGD]

My theory is that the Emperor has just been effective in wiping out and censoring any knowledge of the Force/Jedis in order to maintain his position. Kind of like 1984

[Fury4k]

Yeah but most of the people alive before and during the purge would still be alive during the OT which makes any censoring kind of redundant.

[makkuwata]

It's George's hamfisted attempt at 1930's Germany.

George Lucas is the worst thing that ever happened to Star Wars.

[SeanR]

I've got it!

A force trilogy. But it does mean an extra colon...

Sw:ep7:the force:awakening

Sw:ep8:the force:having a scratch and yawning

Sw:ep9:the force:rising

[DocG]

The Force's Morning Wood.

[rubberducker]

It makes Han's dismissive tones about the force seem ridiculous in ANH. I've already mentioned in this thread that Chewbacca hung out with Yoda and saw Jedi doing their stuff first hand so he might have mentioned them to Han, but really Han or his parents were alive when the Jedi had a massive temple on one of the main planets, Jedi were fucking everywhere running around with their flashy swords and negotiating trade deals, everyone knew about them, basic service droids on trade blockade ships identified them as Jedi immediately, random scrap merchants on shitty border planets are familiar with jedi mind tricks, little slave boys know all about them, a massive war is literally fought by them, and then suddenly everyone forgets all about them in them the space of a few years and it's considered mystical nonsense and hokey religions.

Actually it's not just silly it's fucking stupid.

Even more fucking stupid when you consider that lucas had young han solo making a cameo in episode 3 during that jedi battle with chewbacca in the early drafts.

This is the concept art:

[Harsin]

Maybe Han is like one of those idiots who think the moon landing was faked.

"The Jedi are nothing but a myth."

"Wrrrrooooooaaaaaaaarrr!" (WTF dude? I actually fought alongside the, in this big war and I was personal mates with their leader!)

"That was all filmed on a soundstage on Dantooine. I'm just asking you to keep your mind open."

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Han is clearly an idiot. He flies a piece of shit space Skoda and is dumb enough to get heavily into debt with one of the galaxy's most notorious criminals and not rectify that shit immediately. I can totally buy him being a space truther.

[SeanR]

"a small one-man fighter couldn't destroy an entire death star, it has to be a conspiracy"

[instasis]

Oh come one. It's only 25 years since the Berlin Wall fell and it already feels mythical to most people while billions of people have only heard about it via history books (if at all). It's less than that since Russia fell apart and our politicians who are old enough to know better have made political decisions that would make Thatcher, Gorbachov and Reagan give up if we could go back in time and tell them.

Both collective and individual memory is fairly transient unless you're directly impacted. Just ask Palestine. That history will have been rewritten for 20 years and lots of people will have thought "oh, hey, those Jedi weren't all they were made out to be" is entirely plausible - especially seeing as anyone who would have actually seen one in person would either be a clone in an army that follows direct orders or someone who's been drinking in the corner of a bar and whispering about it for fear of an Imperial officer shooting them.

[Mr Cochese]

I don't believe the Communists ever even existed.

[Harsin]

Oh come one. It's only 25 years since the Berlin Wall fell and it already feels mythical to most people while billions of people have only heard about it via history books (if at all)

It would probably feel less mythical if you spent most of your life driving around with David Hasselhoff in the seat next to you.

[instasis]

Hasslehoff could talk to me for 20 years about the huge crowd of people he sang to once but, eventually, it's just another boring story if I never even see crowds of people listening to music being sung never mind him actually singing it.

Like, there are people alive now went to Lebanon and Afghanistan on holiday because they were beautiful places and beacons of progress in the Middle East. Holiday! Progress! Just because they tell someone else who was alive then that it's a thing doesn't mean they take it at face value.

Too many metaphors.

[Iain]

"a small one-man fighter couldn't destroy an entire death star, it has to be a conspiracy"

[Sabreman]

I don't believe the Communists ever even existed.

They definitely did, I had some of their records.

[Nick R]

I've never seen Loose Change but that video is marvellous. Its music choices are perfect too - there's only one it's really missing from the small set of tracks that are overused on internet videos, and that's this.

[rubberducker]

Some potential spoilers about Luke's role (that sounds more likely than previous rumours)

Luke Skywalker, bearded and fully fleshed, raising a GREEN lightsaber at Han, who in turn has his classic blaster pointed at him. Adam Driver stands, not so much beside Han, but more off to the side. The perspective almost makes Driver look like he is in the middle. Driver looks concerned, but not frightened, more like he is pondering his next move.

I hate to say it, but Luke looks like a crazy person. I don't know if he's a villain, a cyborg, or a Jedi Master; but one thing is for sure, he's a long way from the "Luke Skywalker here to rescue you". It was actually a little unsettling to see.

Luke was in a tattered robe, but I couldn't tell if it was fully brown or black, because it looked dirty and beat to shit.

I need to mention as well that the source photographed this off a monitor, and despite the much heralded iPhone 6+ camera, it was a little difficult to see some of the finer details.

Luke has some sort of gash or cut on his left forehead. Think Captain Kirk in Star Trek 3 after he fights the Klingon captain at the end. I guess it's safe to say Luke looks like he just got his ass kicked.

Han looks like he is trying to reason with him, but also does not look happy to have a lightsaber pointed his way. His clothes look worn as well, and he appears somewhat disheveled. It's unmistakably Han Solo, mostly because of his vest/white long sleeve shirt, as well as his blaster. He looks badass as ever.

Driver looks like he's dressed business casual. Gray/black suit, with some sort of burgundy vest or jacket thing. It was hard to tell, of the three men, he was in the most dimly lit part of the frame. I still believe he's the villain or secondary villain, but he just looks like a bystander here.

The three of them are standing in what I guess is a cave or some partially natural environment. The ground beneath them is gravel or dirt. The walls are definitely rock. The lighting is either from a small fire or an incredibly dim source.
Luke goes mad because he discovers he f***ing can’t control himself. He destroys everything around and kills people with his powers, unconsciously. He leaves his friends and lives in solitude on Mon Cal in a fortress of some f*** old sith lord because the dark side that clouds the place puts him in chains.

More on Luke (Major potential spoiler ahead)

>Luke is now a Yoda + Paul Atreides, he f***ing sees the future, sees the past and he’s basically a mentally unstable god.

>Nobody wants to have anything to do with him, but Han’s son (Adam Driver) wants to use Luke’s power for his own evil means.
So, last act of the movie (spoiler, but you’re going to read it anyway):

>Luke has a premonition about the destruction that Han’s kid will bring in the future and decides to kill him.

>Han is obviously mad as f*** at Luke.

>There’s a huge fight. It’s everyone vs Luke (Luke has his father’s red lightsaber here, so it’s obviously visually implied that he’s the bad guy). This fight is epic as f***.

>”But Luke isn’t the villain! But everybody thinks he is! Oh no, such a twist! Such darkness! It’s like ESB all again!”

>Han kills Luke, because Luke allows him to, “he trusts him”.


Luke Skywalker has become the most powerful Jedi ever, but he doesn’t believe he’s the wisest. He doesn’t want to make the mistake his father made by thinking he knows what’s right for the universe. Skywalker becomes somewhat deranged in his seclusion. He is consumed by his fear that if he should return to “society” his power could be misused, he could be manipulated, and he may accidentally hurt the one’s he loves.

For these reasons, to protect the galaxy and himself, Luke retreats into self-imposed exile for many years. I’m told he can’t always control the power. While he sits in a meditative state, he levitates things unconsciously and he’s not always in complete control and he’s never sure if he’s doing the will of the Force or acting on his own passions. Luke is seeing the past, the present, the future, “old friends long gone” and other things that prey upon his sanity.

properly all bollocks... but star wars speculation is half the fun...

[instasis]

It's getting clearer why they binned the EU now if that's all true.