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17 minutes ago, Rockboy said:

Hi, wasn't sure which topic was best to ask this, I'm looking to get a turntable and could do with some advice please? I've got a budget of about £500 as that seemed like it will get me a reasonably decent turntable, and maybe one that I can upgrade in the future if needs be.

 

After a bit of research it seems these two are popular at this price point: Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo or the Rega Planar 2.

 

I already have some stereo speakers (Cambridge Audio S30) and an AV receiver (Yamaha RX-V373) that I feed my Xbox and Switch through to my TV.

 

What I'm wondering is:

 

1. Is the AV Receiver going to be good enough sound wise or do I need to invest in a proper Stereo Amp for music, something like this? Cambridge Audio AXA25

 

2. Should I worry about having to manually change the rpm on the Rega Planar 2? I've never owned any vinyl or a record player so I've no idea how often I'm likely to need to change the speed and if it's going to be an issue! I'll only be buying albums so mostly 33 from what I can gather?

 

3. Is there a forum favourite player at this price point that I should be considering? Or is one of those two a better option?

 

Thanks!

Consider the NAD (made by Project) 558.

 

Personally think it looks better than the ones you like, but obviously that is subjective. Worth a look to see what you think though.

 

The amp should be fine, as long as it support stereo inputs. I can't see for sure but it doesn't seem to have a dedicated phono input, so you will need a preamp. You don't need to spend much on them, despite the audio industry trying to sell them for hundreds. This one is fine:  

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-PP400-Microphono-Compact-assorted/dp/B000H2BC4E/ref=sr_1_2?crid=XNCZDUCOOMLM&keywords=behringer%2Bphono%2Bpreamp&qid=1644789918&sprefix=behringer%2Bpho%2Caps%2C80&sr=8-2&th=1

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Rockboy said:

Hi, wasn't sure which topic was best to ask this, I'm looking to get a turntable and could do with some advice please? I've got a budget of about £500 as that seemed like it will get me a reasonably decent turntable, and maybe one that I can upgrade in the future if needs be.

 

After a bit of research it seems these two are popular at this price point: Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo or the Rega Planar 2.

 

I already have some stereo speakers (Cambridge Audio S30) and an AV receiver (Yamaha RX-V373) that I feed my Xbox and Switch through to my TV.

 

What I'm wondering is:

 

1. Is the AV Receiver going to be good enough sound wise or do I need to invest in a proper Stereo Amp for music, something like this? Cambridge Audio AXA25

 

2. Should I worry about having to manually change the rpm on the Rega Planar 2? I've never owned any vinyl or a record player so I've no idea how often I'm likely to need to change the speed and if it's going to be an issue! I'll only be buying albums so mostly 33 from what I can gather?

 

3. Is there a forum favourite player at this price point that I should be considering? Or is one of those two a better option?

 

Thanks!

An AV receiver should be fine. The hi-fi press seem to have a downer on them being used for music for some reason but I never really understood why. As you already have it, try it out and see what you think before spending extra.

 

Depending on the turntable you buy, you might need a phono preamp, I had a quick look at the V373 and can't see mention of a phono stage.

Some turntables have these built in so you could avoid an extra box if you go that route.

 

I've never had a turntable where messing with the belt was needed to change RPM so don't know how much of a faff it is but personally I'd avoid it. Saying that I buy a lot of 12" singles as well as albums so do change speed quite often.

 

Re pre-amps, the Behringer is usually £20 on Amazon and great for the money. I had one on with my previous TT/amp combo and it was fantastic.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-PP400-Microphono-Compact-assorted/dp/B000H2BC4E

 

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32 minutes ago, Rockboy said:

After a bit of research it seems these two are popular at this price point: Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo or the Rega Planar 2.

I've seen a few mentions of a brand called Fluance on the AVForums site who have a few models at that price point.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fluance-Reference-Turntable-Cartridge-Vibration-Piano-Black/dp/B07KGL56XJ

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fluance-Reference-Turntable-Cartridge-Vibration-Walnut/dp/B07KGHZJBF/

 

From what I've read, they seem to be decent for the money, obviously not as established as Pro-Ject and Rega though.

 

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Thanks for the responses @Lovelyman and @cubik . My amp doesn't have phono so looks like I probably will need a pre-amp, I know of Behringer from guitar pedals, interfaces etc, so will happily get that one if I end up getting a turntable without one built in.

 

The NAD looks interesting, not heard of it before but I have heard people mention the MT85 so will look at that too and try and narrow it down!

 

Thanks again! 😀

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10 hours ago, cerseis eyebrows said:

Sweet. Sorry to be a pain, but whats the difference of' phono' vs 'line'? I use line for other stuff because the quality sounds better. 

It will sound better with everything else. To avoid issues with skipping, records are cut with reduced volume and significantly scooped bass. A phono preamp or input will reverse these using a standard EQ curve. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization

 

without this records will sound super quiet and shitty. And if you plug anything else in there it will be too loud and boomy. 

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I was looking on Sevenoaks and they have a couple of interesting deals.

 

They have that NAD C 558 with a NAD PP4 phono pre-amp worth £169 for £458 (saving £110): https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-370402-nad-c-558-turntable-nad-pp4-phono-preamp.aspx

 

They also have the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo with a free set of Sennheiser CX wireless earphones (worth £119): https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-50962-pro-ject-debut-carbon-evo-turntable.aspx

 

Would it be a noticeable difference in sound quality between say the Behringer pre-amp and that NAD one?

 

Or I guess if I got the Pro-Ject I could always sell the headphones on here or Ebay to bring the cost down  bit?

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28 minutes ago, Rockboy said:

Or I guess if I got the Pro-Ject I could always sell the headphones on here or Ebay to bring the cost down  bit?

 

Or you'll just end up keeping them like I have (using them right now in fact) after I bought my new amp and was planning to sell them on!!

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3 hours ago, Rockboy said:

I was looking on Sevenoaks and they have a couple of interesting deals.

 

They have that NAD C 558 with a NAD PP4 phono pre-amp worth £169 for £458 (saving £110): https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-370402-nad-c-558-turntable-nad-pp4-phono-preamp.aspx

 

They also have the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo with a free set of Sennheiser CX wireless earphones (worth £119): https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-50962-pro-ject-debut-carbon-evo-turntable.aspx

 

Would it be a noticeable difference in sound quality between say the Behringer pre-amp and that NAD one?

 

Or I guess if I got the Pro-Ject I could always sell the headphones on here or Ebay to bring the cost down  bit?

 

Both Pro-Ject and Rega do turntables with built in phono stages for under your budget.

https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-45657-pro-ject-t1-phono-sb-turntable.aspx

https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-51654-rega-planar-1-plus-turntable.aspx

 

What's your plan for the turntable? If you just want to play the odd record on them, then they'd both be fine. If you wanted to make it a centrepiece of your hifi, and get into record collecting, then I'd probably recommend something else. Both turntables are designed as plug and play, which makes it bit harder should you want to change things on them in the future.

 

Anyway, you can't go wrong with a Pro-ject or Rega; they both use very similar technologies so you're unlikely to hear a significant difference sonically between the brands.

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3 hours ago, Rockboy said:

I was looking on Sevenoaks and they have a couple of interesting deals.

 

They have that NAD C 558 with a NAD PP4 phono pre-amp worth £169 for £458 (saving £110): https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-370402-nad-c-558-turntable-nad-pp4-phono-preamp.aspx

 

They also have the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo with a free set of Sennheiser CX wireless earphones (worth £119): https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-50962-pro-ject-debut-carbon-evo-turntable.aspx

 

Would it be a noticeable difference in sound quality between say the Behringer pre-amp and that NAD one?

 

Or I guess if I got the Pro-Ject I could always sell the headphones on here or Ebay to bring the cost down  bit?

There will be marginal if any sound quality difference between any phono preamp. 
 

The NAD one looks nicer. 
 

It might be also worth looking at Audio Technica decks. They are great, their stylus are all amazing for the price and they do direct drive ones in your budget, which means no faffing with belts to change the speed. 

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27 minutes ago, Ste_S said:

 

Both Pro-Ject and Rega do turntables with built in phono stages for under your budget.

https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-45657-pro-ject-t1-phono-sb-turntable.aspx

https://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p-51654-rega-planar-1-plus-turntable.aspx

 

What's your plan for the turntable? If you just want to play the odd record on them, then they'd both be fine. If you wanted to make it a centrepiece of your hifi, and get into record collecting, then I'd probably recommend something else. Both turntables are designed as plug and play, which makes it bit harder should you want to change things on them in the future.

 

Anyway, you can't go wrong with a Pro-ject or Rega; they both use very similar technologies so you're unlikely to hear a significant difference sonically between the brands.

 

Thanks for that, as for my plan, probably somewhere between the two. I have two daughters who are big into their music at the moment and keen to start collecting a bit of vinyl, but are both unlikely to use it more than a few times a week (plus one is currently at uni). I'm keen to start buying some of my favourite albums (mostly 90s alternative stuff) and will probably put a record on maybe every other day? I haven't got loads of disposable income though so won't be building a huge collection, at least not in the short term. I could probably stretch the budget to £600 including a separate pre-amp if it was going to be a good investment.

 

I'm trying not to go down a rabbit hole with this but even just googling "phono pre-amp sound quality difference" brings up a whole host of opinions!

 

I'm also concious that I'm going to be putting it through an AV receiver to start with  and some fairly budget speakers so they will obviously limit the sound quality too.

 

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50 minutes ago, Rockboy said:

 

Thanks for that, as for my plan, probably somewhere between the two. I have two daughters who are big into their music at the moment and keen to start collecting a bit of vinyl, but are both unlikely to use it more than a few times a week (plus one is currently at uni). I'm keen to start buying some of my favourite albums (mostly 90s alternative stuff) and will probably put a record on maybe every other day? I haven't got loads of disposable income though so won't be building a huge collection, at least not in the short term. I could probably stretch the budget to £600 including a separate pre-amp if it was going to be a good investment.

 

I'm trying not to go down a rabbit hole with this but even just googling "phono pre-amp sound quality difference" brings up a whole host of opinions!

 

I'm also concious that I'm going to be putting it through an AV receiver to start with  and some fairly budget speakers so they will obviously limit the sound quality too.

 

The AV receiver will sound essentially the same as a stereo amp. 
 

by far the biggest upgrade In the future will be better speakers if you don’t have great ones. 
 

like i said, all a phono preamp does is applies a specific EQ curve and a small volume boost to effectively make the phono a line level input. 
 

I have a £3.5k turntable with a £500 cartridge and i would be hard pressed to tell the difference between my NAD and Behringer preamp. 

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2 hours ago, Lovelyman said:

The AV receiver will sound essentially the same as a stereo amp. 
 

by far the biggest upgrade In the future will be better speakers if you don’t have great ones. 
 

like i said, all a phono preamp does is applies a specific EQ curve and a small volume boost to effectively make the phono a line level input. 
 

I have a £3.5k turntable with a £500 cartridge and i would be hard pressed to tell the difference between my NAD and Behringer preamp. 

 

Thanks @Lovelyman that's reassuring to hear.

 

I have some Cambridge Audio S30 bookshelf speakers. I think ther were £130 for the pair so a budget speaker, although they reviewed well and they sound nice: https://www.whathifi.com/cambridge-audio/s30/review

 

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16 minutes ago, Rockboy said:

 

Thanks @Lovelyman that's reassuring to hear.

 

I have some Cambridge Audio S30 bookshelf speakers. I think ther were £130 for the pair so a budget speaker, although they reviewed well and they sound nice: https://www.whathifi.com/cambridge-audio/s30/review

 

There’s nothing to worry about them they will sound fine. 

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On 13/02/2022 at 21:57, cerseis eyebrows said:

If I can just piggy back off this question; I literally just ordered my first proper player (Rega Plana 2!) and am now hearing about preamps. Do I buy one? I use speakers with an old school (90s?) Pioneer amplifier. Thanks!

 

Got the player! 

 

Problem is I'm hearing more static than I'd like. Keep getting crackles throughout even a brand new record. Could it be a set up issue? Will I have to 'ground' it? Or am I just going to have get a new amp? (I love my current one. Old (probably late 80s) but works fine for everything wlse). Please help! Very frustrated.

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21 minutes ago, cerseis eyebrows said:

 

Got the player! 

 

Problem is I'm hearing more static than I'd like. Keep getting crackles throughout even a brand new record. Could it be a set up issue? Will I have to 'ground' it? Or am I just going to have get a new amp? (I love my current one. Old (probably late 80s) but works fine for everything wlse). Please help! Very frustrated.

Static as in crackling?

 

 Are they new records or old ones?

 

What are you using as a turntable mat, and are you using an anti static brush?

 

 Get one of these if you haven’t already:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Antistatic-Velvet-Vinyl-Record-Cleaning/dp/B01AKAHF52/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=12WX4FBHVJ42Y&keywords=anti+static+brush+vinyl&qid=1645051792&sprefix=anti+static+brush%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-6

 

i found i got horrible static when I had a felt mat. Acrylic ones were bad too. 


 I use these now and the problem is much less so. 

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Technics-RGS0008-Genuine-Turntable-Platter/dp/B07SGGV48C/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3M1X6YAIKH32N&keywords=technics+rubber+mat+rgs0010&qid=1645051922&sprefix=technics+rubb%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-3


i also put one of these into the inner sleeve if it’s not already lined with a film plastic sleeve

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynamic-Premium-Static-Record-Sleeves/dp/B00KDFNHMU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=12T7OK1OP7RRO&keywords=anti+static+vinyl+inner+sleeves&qid=1645052020&sprefix=anti+static+%2Caps%2C82&sr=8-3

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, cerseis eyebrows said:

 

Got the player! 

 

Problem is I'm hearing more static than I'd like. Keep getting crackles throughout even a brand new record. Could it be a set up issue? Will I have to 'ground' it? Or am I just going to have get a new amp? (I love my current one. Old (probably late 80s) but works fine for everything wlse). Please help! Very frustrated.

Also check for fluff on the stylus. 

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14 minutes ago, Lovelyman said:

Static as in crackling?

 

 Are they new records or old ones?

 

What are you using as a turntable mat, and are you using an anti static brush?

 

 Get one of these if you haven’t already:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Antistatic-Velvet-Vinyl-Record-Cleaning/dp/B01AKAHF52/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=12WX4FBHVJ42Y&keywords=anti+static+brush+vinyl&qid=1645051792&sprefix=anti+static+brush%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-6

 

i found i got horrible static when I had a felt mat. Acrylic ones were bad too. 


 I use these now and the problem is much less so. 

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Technics-RGS0008-Genuine-Turntable-Platter/dp/B07SGGV48C/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3M1X6YAIKH32N&keywords=technics+rubber+mat+rgs0010&qid=1645051922&sprefix=technics+rubb%2Caps%2C70&sr=8-3


i also put one of these into the inner sleeve if it’s not already lined with a film plastic sleeve

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynamic-Premium-Static-Record-Sleeves/dp/B00KDFNHMU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=12T7OK1OP7RRO&keywords=anti+static+vinyl+inner+sleeves&qid=1645052020&sprefix=anti+static+%2Caps%2C82&sr=8-3

 

 

 

Yes it's a 'crackling' kind of noise. Brand new sealed LP and I'm hearing it during tracks. 

 

Also using the felt mat that came with the Regina.

 

Cheers for the help. Just purchased the brush. Hopefully a nice clean will do it.

 

 

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1 minute ago, cerseis eyebrows said:

Yes it's a 'crackling' kind of noise. Brand new sealed LP and I'm hearing it during tracks. 

 

Also using the felt mat that came with the Regina.

 

Cheers for the help. Just purchased the brush. Hopefully a nice clean will do it.

 

 

The brush removes static too. You can feel it with your cheek and it will lift the felt mat when it’s charged. A couple of revolutions each side with that brush usually sorts it. 
 

I would get a better mat once you have the money too, but it’s not essential. See how the brush helps. 

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https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/feb/17/record-store-day-independent-music-shops-vinyl-shortage?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 

I think it’s probably time to call it a day with RSD. Does more harm to the industry than good these days. Or at least take a break then relaunch with a far tighter curated selection, like 50 limited edition vinyl that have been hand picked. 
 

Haven’t taken part in it for over a decade, it’s all very meh. Love the independent record label market though, also try to go to those every year. 

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9 hours ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/feb/17/record-store-day-independent-music-shops-vinyl-shortage?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 

I think it’s probably time to call it a day with RSD. Does more harm to the industry than good these days. Or at least take a break then relaunch with a far tighter curated selection, like 50 limited edition vinyl that have been hand picked. 
 

Haven’t taken part in it for over a decade, it’s all very meh. Love the independent record label market though, also try to go to those every year. 

 

Agree with all of that, also the writer of that article runs Drift Records in Totnes, which is a great record shop.

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19 hours ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/feb/17/record-store-day-independent-music-shops-vinyl-shortage?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 

I think it’s probably time to call it a day with RSD. Does more harm to the industry than good these days. Or at least take a break then relaunch with a far tighter curated selection, like 50 limited edition vinyl that have been hand picked. 
 

Haven’t taken part in it for over a decade, it’s all very meh. Love the independent record label market though, also try to go to those every year. 

Yeah, the number of RSD things you see in the sales months afterwards, the appetite just doesn’t seem to be there. Plus, there’s just so much shite to wade through. 
 

I mean, no disrespect to Nat King Cole, but I don’t think he’s really in the ‘RSD geek’ demographic of artists that are really sought after. 
 

Genuinely interested in modern appetite for 7” singles, too. I avoid double albums on vinyl because you have to get up every 10 bastard minutes. The humble 7” is a bit of a stretch for me when you literally could listen to said song on your phone. 

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I've not even bothered to look at the list the last two years. It just seems totally pointless now. Scalpers grab anything 'special' to resell and the rest just hangs around to be put in the next sale.

 

I tend to follow most artists I'm interested in on Instagram so if they do a RSD release I'll hear about it that way and invariably not be bothered enough to actual get a copy unless it hangs around.

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On 16/02/2022 at 23:15, cerseis eyebrows said:

Yes it's a 'crackling' kind of noise. Brand new sealed LP and I'm hearing it during tracks. 

 

Also using the felt mat that came with the Regina.

 

Cheers for the help. Just purchased the brush. Hopefully a nice clean will do it.

 

 

 

Yeah, had a clean, didn't make a lick of difference. Fucks sake! Gonna try rebalancing tonearm to see if that helps. Otherwise I might have to start thinking about new amplifiers. 😑

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