The worst rock bands ever

[Oh Danny Boy]

Well you kind of made my point. There is new exciting acts emerging but you won't notice that if you're only interested in guitar led rock bands. It's only sad if you can't appreciate the possibility that if revolutionary thinkers like Lennon, Lydon, Lou Reed etc. were only just getting into to the business today then they probably would be incorporating computers and electronics or whatever because any right mind knows the guitar-bass-drums format is old news.

nah, guitar and drums will never be old news, string and percussion instruments have been with us for centuries and will continue to be used by truly talented musicians, thats like saying the piano is old news. The computer and electronic based music is just a fad like the synth in the 80's, in a couple of decades time few people will use them and everyone else will be scratching their heads wondering what were they thinking. The guitar, piano, drums etc they will stay with us for as long as our species exist as it takes true musical talent to compose something special with them.

[futureshock]

[Oh Danny Boy]

Then you're old before your time. Most 27yr olds I know are enthused about music because they're not paying attention to an old, irrelevant genre.

I'm very enthused about music,i just don't listen to much which are on the big labels etc. If i find many punk/blues based bands are the ones which inspire me then that doesn't mean i'm not enthused about music.

Seriously? Rock, punk, blues etc irrelevant? you're crazy

[Oh Danny Boy]

the facepalm, used when one wants to reply but has no argument because no one seriously thinks that percussion and string instruments will become irrelevant

[Gringo]

U2. Hating Bono comes easy and 'The Edge' especially because he has 'the' in his nickname. I don't care what anyone says they are fucking shit. No matter how commendable his humanitarian work has been I will always and forever despise his music.

[Avuncular]

nah, guitar and drums will never be old news, string and percussion instruments have been with us for centuries and will continue to be used by truly talented musicians, thats like saying the piano is old news. The computer and electronic based music is just a fad like the synth in the 80's, in a couple of decades time few people will use them and everyone else will be scratching their heads wondering what were they thinking. The guitar, piano, drums etc they will stay with us for as long as our species exist as it takes true musical talent to compose something special with them.

It takes talent to make good music with a computer too.

[futureshock]

the facepalm, used when one wants to reply but has no argument because no one seriously thinks that percussion and string instruments will become irrelevant

In an effort to try and spell things out:

Rock, Blues, Punk all had their peak, and now have much less 'going on' in them because the vast majority of young creatives are making their own stamp on culture with their own, relevant instruments. So whilst I'm a music fan who gains pleasure from Rock, Blues and Punk, I'm also somebody who understands why these genres are not attracting the numbers they used to. It's clear as day that creative music evolved beyond the limitations of rock a long time ago.

As it is, you're doing the clichéd thing in blaming the demise of the mature genres on the 'money men or 'the industry' when it's simply kids not caring/copying the stuff their dads were in to.

And the facepalm was for saying "The computer and electronic based music is just a fad like the synth in the 80's" - which is about as ignorant a statement anybody could make, but let's face it, coming from an exclusive rock fan, isn't a surprise.

[Davros sock drawer]

nah, guitar and drums will never be old news, string and percussion instruments have been with us for centuries and will continue to be used by truly talented musicians, thats like saying the piano is old news. The computer and electronic based music is just a fad like the synth in the 80's, in a couple of decades time few people will use them and everyone else will be scratching their heads wondering what were they thinking. The guitar, piano, drums etc they will stay with us for as long as our species exist as it takes true musical talent to compose something special with them.

People will always love the sound of "real" instruments, sure. But you're deluded if you seriously think electronic music is a fad.

Interesting interview with Jim Morrison, specifically the bit at 3:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAssS1VbEZE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

He was right man!

I'll be honest, I sometimes struggle to connect with some electronic music on a pure instrumentation level, but music is music is music. People will always use the tools available to them, and that includes computers.

This week I have mostly been listening to Erasure. The Innocents is an amazing album.

[Oh Danny Boy]

In an effort to try and spell things out:

Rock, Blues, Punk all had their peak, and now have much less 'going on' in them because the vast majority of young creatives are making their own stamp on culture with their own, relevant instruments. So whilst I'm a music fan who gains pleasure from Rock, Blues and Punk, I'm also somebody who understands why these genres are not attracting the numbers they used to. It's clear as day that creative music evolved beyond the limitations of rock a long time ago.

As it is, you're doing the clichéd thing in blaming the demise of the mature genres on the 'money men or 'the industry' when it's simply kids not caring/copying the stuff their dads were in to.

And the facepalm was for saying "The computer and electronic based music is just a fad like the synth in the 80's" - which is about as ignorant a statement anybody could make, but let's face it, coming from a exclusive rock fan, isn't a surprise.

Computer/ electronic music won't last long, yeah i'll say its a fad, neither of us will know until 20yrs time. But what it certainly won't do is replace traditional instruments. It takes a different level of talent to excel with one or more instruments and compose something meaningful with them.

Rock as a genre has no limitations, neither does the blues, they keep evolving. There are some very good blues musicians around and bands like 'the Derek Trucks Band' have shown how the blues are continually evolving. Punk is still here on the underground, check out the musicians on the record labels i mentioned earlier (Freak scene and crypt records) and these labels get inundated weekly with hundreds of amateur bands sending them their material, only a very few are ever good enough to make the cut. No other genre of music can recreate the raw energy and passion of punk and that is why it finds itself infused in indie, blues, alt rock etc. I went to see a couple if gigs by a young band called 'the bots', very talented considering they are just kids and have created exciting and fresh alt rock/punk music, if the musician is talented then they will continue taking punk/blues in different directions, evolving it and making it relevant to themselves and our times.

So i'd certainly argue that money is the reason you don't hear much from these genres. It not because there is no one trying to create punk and blues because they remain relevant to many young people today, many of whom pick up a guitar and dream of making their own contribution to the genres. But the businessmen who control the major labels deem these genres as not profitable, they might be right, and thus you won't hear them on the radio, or read them in magazines or see them on the store shelves of HMV. It doesn't mean the genre is irrelevant to people or that their limitations have been reached.

[Stanley]

So Kraftwerk were a fad?

[matt0]

Computer/ electronic music won't last long, yeah i'll say its a fad, neither of us will know until 20yrs time. But what it certainly won't do is replace traditional instruments. It takes a different level of talent to excel with one or more instruments and compose something meaningful with them.

Rock as a genre has no limitations, neither does the blues, they keep evolving. There are some very good blues musicians around and bands like 'the Derek Trucks Band' have shown how the blues are continually evolving. Punk is still here on the underground, check out the musicians on the record labels i mentioned earlier (Freak scene and crypt records) and these labels get inundated weekly with hundreds of amateur bands sending them their material, only a very few are ever good enough to make the cut. No other genre of music can recreate the raw energy and passion of punk and that is why it finds itself infused in indie, blues, alt rock etc. I went to see a couple if gigs by a young band called 'the bots', very talented considering they are just kids and have created exciting and fresh alt rock/punk music, if the musician is talented then they will continue taking punk/blues in different directions, evolving it and making it relevant to themselves and our times.

So i'd certainly argue that money is the reason you don't hear much from these genres. It not because there is no one trying to create punk and blues because they remain relevant to many young people today, many of whom pick up a guitar and dream of making their own contribution to the genres. But the businessmen who control the major labels deem these genres as not profitable, they might be right, and thus you won't hear them on the radio, or read them in magazines or see them on the store shelves of HMV. It doesn't mean the genre is irrelevant to people or that their limitations have been reached.

Oh mate... no... you sound like my Dad when I was 13 and I think even he eventually grudgingly admitted that hip-hop wasn't going anywhere.

Funny thing, I got into punk and electronic stuff round about the same time in the early 90s pretty much the same way - mainstream crossover stuff (Green Day etc. for punk, Chemical Brothers/Underworld for electronic stuff) that lead on to digging deeper and deeper into past music and the DIY / underground stuff that was around at the time. I actually started out making electonic music a couple of years before I got my first guitar, playing around with protracker on my Amiga.

I get that electronic music is weird and alienating to a lot of people and that's probably why some people have such an extreme negative reaction to it, but then so is punk. And both can trace their origins back to the 60s, neither show any signs of going away, and both are constantly evolving new sub-genres and revisiting old ones so the idea that electronic music is a fad or punk somehow contains more potential doesn't hold any weight for me at all.

[Gorf King]

This is a great thread for insane opinions. I knew Danny wouldn't take long to come out with one, and it's a blinder: 'electronic music is a fad and won't last long'. Hmm, not much longer than the best part of five decades it's been part of popular culture, then.

And sorry lads, but punk's not really a genre (in fact, stuff your genres and your labels altogether), which is why Davros can say he likes The Stranglers. It's impossible to dismiss 'punk' out of hand simply because it was such a broad church musically, not really a musical form at all: what it was, was a short-lived movement and an ethos that had a massive shock impact on a moribund industry and has obviously had lasting influence. It's not really a 'sound', is it? By the same token, I completely fail to understand why modern 'punk' music, whether you like it or not, can be thought to hold out some hope for a burgeoning of more widespread creativity in the future. If you do think of it as a 'genre' it's one that's almost 40 years old. Surely something completely new would be the most likely thing to shake up the current system, if you think that is moribund, not some 'genre' (which it isn't anyway) that's older than you are.

And it's really weird to dismiss making music on computers. Computers and software have put in the hands of young people (or any people) the sort of power you simply didn't have access to in the last century. They've democratised music production, given millions of people access to tools they've never been able to afford before. They've opened the floodgates to people doing their own thing and bypassing established methods of access. The mysteries of the studio are largely no more. The gazing with awe at hundreds of thousand pounds worth of equipment, the giddy prospect of getting a single or album produced and cut. That does have its downside too - like the DTP revolution did in the 80s - but it's a prime example of DIY. Of the punk ethos brought to everyone's hands. (Yes, Davros with his iPad and GarageBand - check the product name - is actually a beneficiary of that too.)

So anyway, Danny Boy, for a fan of 'punk' you seem curiously conservative and, well, anti-punk really. You should be grabbing hold of everything that's modern with both hands and using it to make something you love, and fuck everyone else. Instead, you seem to relish living in the Twilight Years of Rock, longing for the return of Ray Davies. In fact, didn't you post a comment about that dire (but brilliantly entertaining) bunch of amateurs covering 99 Red Balloons, or whatever it was, saying 'yeah but let's face it, we'd all sound that bad if we formed a band!'. Mate, you shouldn't give a shit about being technically crap - in fact, that performance should inspire you. Just pick up your crutches (and guitar, and synth), and walk. Stop kneeling at the altar of convention.

On topic: taking well-known bands, I've always thought Duran Duran one of the most insipid bunch of cheesy tosspots capable of standing upright and speaking in a human tongue. Terrible band weirdly venerated as somehow being 'so 80s' in some modern circles, there's not a single track of theirs that doesn't bring a lump of sick to my throat. But hey; that's just me.

[Avuncular]

You should watch the episode of Classic Albums about Duran Duran.

[Charliemouse]

Always thought Def Leppard were pretty awful, and I like Bon Jovi. Seemed to be a huge rip-off of their sound. Not just 80's hair metal but specifically Bon Jovi. This extended into the 90's with When Love and Hate Collide ripping off Always.

Anyways, yes, Def Leppard are shit but I will defend Bon Jovi because they are hella awesome.

Def Leppard had released three albums before Bon Jovi released their first.

[Oh Danny Boy]

Great post Gorfy opinions are like arsehols, everyone has got one and you can't get new one when its needed. I am a complete technophobe and have and always will view computers with suspicion. As a consequence I will forever have an aversion to anything directly related to it.

As on topic i can never be quite sure if Sponge are actually decent or very terrible. My nostalgia for them obviously blinds a rationale decision.

[Guest]

Def Leppard had released three albums before Bon Jovi released their first.

Stop ruining my deep-set opinions with "facts"!!!

[Davros sock drawer]

Look, I know I dun a wrong. I was just reacting aggresively to Hawkeye (incidentally, can we have a moratorium on the word "bland"? It's rarely apposite to describe anything other than, I dunno, a dry Jacob's cracker), and to the rather tired notion that punk somehow swept away all other music with a new broom. I know it's true to an extent, but I'm really bored with hearing it and I'm far more interested musically in what those bands started doing once they realised they couldn't go any further on three chords and a lot of attitude (PIL as opposed to The Sex Pistols, shall we say. Golden Brown as opposed to No More Heroes. I dunno, but you get my point. I like thoughtful music), i.e. once they started progressing. But I'm not so stupid I can't see the cultural significance and the ripples that are still felt today, even by me on my iPad. I just had the hump, ok?

As for Duran Duran, I rather agree. I can't help but doff my hat to the bass playing though.

[cerseis eyebrows]

Gosh it's rather depressing that Danny boy is the same age as me yet he's already reached it were all Paul Weller and valve amps and crusty jeans and real people and real instruments (i.e. no modern electronic instruments. Or black people,) when music meant something back in the day dadrock territory. You may just be young enough to realise your ignorance and grow out of it and maybe appreciate that, say, Madonna is just a vital and as real and necessary as ya bloody Pink Floyds and Radioheads.

And I never said yer old rock instruments are irrelevant. It's just that there is less and less places that rock has left to go. I mentioned some current groups up thread that are doing their best to make rock music that sounds fresh, but really if I was told that most of that stuff was released in the late 70's then I would have been none the wiser. In fact the only rock music that I could identify as being distinctly now is the rock that, surprise surprise, uses modern machines for experiment.

And Danny boy i'm interested in hearing these punk/blues bands that supposedly 'keep evolving'. In what way have they evolved since the 70's?

[Eats hoops and leaves]

And there it is - the ageing rock fan complaining about computers and the subsequent burst of cultural creativity that followed.

Sad indeed.

Especially when, in this case, the ageing rock fan is about 18!

[futureshock]

Computer/ electronic music won't last long, yeah i'll say its a fad, neither of us will know until 20yrs time. But what it certainly won't do is replace traditional instruments. It takes a different level of talent to excel with one or more instruments and compose something meaningful with them.

You might as well say the internet is a fad. Honestly. (Is that why Metal is obsessed with a nuclear apocalypse? A few nukes and all the computers go dead across the globe, returning us to analogue heaven...)

Nobody said anything about computers replacing traditional instruments - they're just another tool....well, the kind of tool that takes all the other tools and places them in its pocket. It's weird like that.

Anyway, electronic music is littered with classically trained musicians, so suggesting there's some gulf of technical talent between rock and electronic is daft.

Rock as a genre has no limitations, neither does the blues, they keep evolving. There are some very good blues musicians around and bands like 'the Derek Trucks Band' have shown how the blues are continually evolving. Punk is still here on the underground, check out the musicians on the record labels i mentioned earlier (Freak scene and crypt records) and these labels get inundated weekly with hundreds of amateur bands sending them their material, only a very few are ever good enough to make the cut. No other genre of music can recreate the raw energy and passion of punk and that is why it finds itself infused in indie, blues, alt rock etc. I went to see a couple if gigs by a young band called 'the bots', very talented considering they are just kids and have created exciting and fresh alt rock/punk music, if the musician is talented then they will continue taking punk/blues in different directions, evolving it and making it relevant to themselves and our times.

Of course rock will continue, but it wont can't evolve at even a fraction of the rate it did in its prime. That's why you're bemoaning the dearth of rock - there simply isn't the same number of young people devoted to it, and that's without getting in to a discussion about the nature of art, culture, time and tools.

Punk's 'raw energy and passion' was fuelled by amphetamine, so let's not get too romantic about that.

So i'd certainly argue that money is the reason you don't hear much from these genres. It not because there is no one trying to create punk and blues because they remain relevant to many young people today, many of whom pick up a guitar and dream of making their own contribution to the genres. But the businessmen who control the major labels deem these genres as not profitable, they might be right, and thus you won't hear them on the radio, or read them in magazines or see them on the store shelves of HMV. It doesn't mean the genre is irrelevant to people or that their limitations have been reached.

I don't doubt it isn't as profitable - rock simply doesn't have the monopoly it once did. I don't see why you're blaming the big labels as if they set the trends. They're far more inclined to follow.

[futureshock]

Especially when, in this case, the ageing rock fan is about 18!

I think he said 27, but still, yeah.

Rllmuk intervention, go.

[Art Vandelay]

Danny Boy, I think your arguments need more name dropping of obscure bands to be truly convincing.

[Hawkeye]

I'm with Danny Boy. All electronic music fucking sucks baws.

[Ivanho]

The thing I always find ironic about 70's punk bands is that in interviews now they all get asked 'what were your musical influences?' and they all seem to name a bunch of rock bands that they were supposed to be sweeping away! The Pistols Steve Jones, in last months Classic Rock, stated that he was 'Listening to Boston & Journey, I love Classic Rock'.

Now I'm no expert on Punk, but lets face it, almost all of the bands would have been influenced or inspired by the current bands of the time in some form or another. They didn't all just go 'All music is shit, i'm going to make up my own and never listen to anything else ever!!'

Palo Alto said: Some stuff about Def Leppard

Pyromania & Hysteria - Listen, learn!

[Ivanho]

The thing I always find ironic about 70's punk bands is that in interviews now they all get asked 'what were your musical influences?' and they all seem to name a bunch of rock bands that they were supposed to be sweeping away! The Pistols Steve Jones, in last months Classic Rock, stated that he was 'Listening to Boston & Journey, I love Classic Rock'.

Now I'm no expert on Punk, but lets face it, almost all of the bands would have been influenced or inspired by the current bands of the time in some form or another. They didn't all just go 'All music is shit, i'm going to make up my own and never listen to anything else ever!!'

Pyromania & Hysteria - Listen, learn!

Edit: Just realised we've now moved onto slagging/praising electronic/synth music and apart from liking a bit of Jean Michel Jarre now and again, I'm totally out of my depth here so will return to lurk status!

[Oh Danny Boy]

Danny Boy, I think your arguments need more name dropping of obscure bands to be truly convincing.

If there were any great non obscure bands i'll drop them, 'the Derek Trucks Band' isn't obscure, they're signed to Sony and shouldn't be in this thread but they're awesome:

[Art Vandelay]

You've managed to contradict yourself without even needing two sentences. Well done.

[Oh Danny Boy]

back on topic, Sugarcoma! I remember they broke into the Kerrang generation when i was 16 with the dreadful cover of 'crazy'. I always consider bands which i thought were even shit back then to be a special kind of shit as 16yr old me loved Limpbizkit, Offspring and Sum 41.

[Oh Danny Boy]

You've managed to contradict yourself without even needing two sentences. Well done.

i find not reading posts is a horrible disease on here by those who takes pleasure on jumping on peoples backs. You said i've been name dropping obscure bands and i said that i have name dropped a band in a previous post which were signed to sony, so not obscure. So you obviously haven't read my posts so please do before replying next time

[Guest]

Alien Ant Farm. There is a particular circle of hell reserved for those cunts.