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I never said anything about the Xbox's paltry free game offer. The posts I was responding to said this:

ICECOLD, on 25 Jun 2013 - 10:33, said:

If I'm going to pay for one online service or the other, there's only really one choice.

angel, on 25 Jun 2013 - 10:42, said:

Yeah, psn.

...in reference to how PSN will be subscription based next gen.

The only reason Microsoft got away with subscriptions was because of how much better the service was. The unified interface, cross game invites, cross game chat, bundled headsets so everyone had voice. It made playing online simple and into something genuinely approaching 'social', which peaked with the introduction of party chat; best thing ever at the time, although ultimately it's since killed the community.

PSN has been through many phases during the years, and whilst it's better now it's still shonky around the edges, mainly on account of letting developers have a bit of a free-for-all when it comes to implementing features rather than firm, single standard guidelines like Xbox Live. It's Android versus iOS. I presume all that will change next generation, but at the moment, Xbox Live is still a better service to play on than PSN. PS+ is something entirely different and great, but ultimately it exists to make people forget that. Which is fine, because it works and offers great value.

I imagine both online services will be pretty similar next gen (following the template currently set by Live), but we won't really know until we get them. I'd like PSN to offer cloud saves.

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There's a video floating around showing some aspects of the PS4's interface. It looks nice -- a sort of timeline showing all your friend's in-game activity, cheevos they earn, videos they share, that sort of thing.And a bundled headset is confirmed, as it's also confirmed the Xbone doesn't have one.

Really no bundled headset? That's crazy.

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I imagine both online services will be pretty similar next gen (following the template currently set by Live), but we won't really know until we get them. I'd like PSN to offer cloud saves.

The big issue Sony had is that they left bugger-all space in RAM for OS features like chat and custom music, so devs had to carve chunks of space out of their own titles to make room for it. AFAIK that's all resolved now on PS4, and we should expect it to be feature-identical to Live across all titles, certainly the demos doing the rounds suggest it's a much more integrated experience.

Cloud saves are already a feature on PS+, but they really need to automate it instead of manually backing up to the cloud from the XMB.

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Out of interest, what is part chat? I see it mentioned a lot but I pretty much never play anything online, so I was wondering what makes XBL better than the PSN for people who love to play online?

Is SmartGlass not for Android iOS as well? Surely they wouldn't lock all this functionality to Windows Phones/Tablets?

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Out of interest, what is part chat? I see it mentioned a lot but I pretty much never play anything online, so I was wondering what makes XBL better than the PSN for people who love to play online?

The ability to have up to eight people in a single voice chat session, regardless of what game they are playing. It's good for setting up games (doing the co-ordination of what game you'll all play) or for avoiding the cesspool that is open voice chat on online FPSs (form a party with your mates who are in the same game and avoid the public chat entirely).

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still with the mixed messages microsoft?

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now, I know that's just some guy on facebook, but he's read phrases like

There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.


and

There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

and has taken that to mean you can play 360 games on the xbone.

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Yeah, I've already seen that misconception on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and stuff. I tried explaining it to someone but they got a bit angry so I gave up.



The ability to have up to eight people in a single voice chat session, regardless of what game they are playing. It's good for setting up games (doing the co-ordination of what game you'll all play) or for avoiding the cesspool that is open voice chat on online FPSs (form a party with your mates who are in the same game and avoid the public chat entirely).

That's cool, I've never really played enough online games with a group but it sounds useful. Most of the people I know got 360s and started playing online after my second one died and I got a PS3. Barely anyone I know is on the PSN and those who are don't ever play anything I'm interested in (or try to get me to play with them).

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That's cool, I've never really played enough online games with a group but it sounds useful.

It is, and its omission on the PS3 is a noteworthy one. Party chat isn't confirmed on the PS4 but the Vita has it, I believe (albeit limited to four people, I think) so one would assume it's a shoo-in.

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I hope that the online systems are more comparible and both have decent communities this time. I feel like I've really missed out on some great experiences this gen because circumstances have meant I've not had many people to play with.

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Out of interest, what is part chat? I see it mentioned a lot but I pretty much never play anything online, so I was wondering what makes XBL better than the PSN for people who love to play online?

The best and worst feature on Xbox Live. Like DoctorGlyndwr describes, it's great for trying to organise games, and if you have a regular social circle who are also online it's great for talking to them regardless of whether you're actually playing the same game (a lot of my friends play FIFA which I don't, and I use it quite regularly to catch up with people when playing something in single player). It offers many of the benefits of online gaming even if you don't like multiplayer, and if you are playing online, avoiding the more toxic elements of it.

On the flip side of that, everyone constantly uses it, so it's turned Xbox Live's once hilarious playground of random strangers, lunatics and camaraderie into a silent wasteland.

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Also, it kills games like L4D where hearing the people you're co-oping with is pretty much essential.

If you remember back to COD MW2 Infinity Ward disabled party chat in certain playlists, I feel games with essential team based chat is essential there could be playlists added for party chatting not allowed.

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...and yet, if you're playing with friends, it makes playing games such as L4D far easier as you can organise what's going on before the game's even set up, and once playing your communication never drops out or lags on account of the game. There's a whole host of pros and cons.

If you remember back to COD MW2 Infinity Ward disabled party chat in certain playlists, I feel games with essential team based chat is essential there could be playlists added for party chatting not allowed.

Yeah, and people absolutely slated them for it at the time. It was the right decision, in retrospect.

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still with the mixed messages microsoft?

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now, I know that's just some guy on facebook, but he's read phrases like

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and has taken that to mean you can play 360 games on the xbone.

Not really. They've been pretty clear on the fact it has no backwards compatibility. That guys just reading something that isn't there.

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Yeah, psn.

Only if you purposely ignore the reasoning I gave above.

How is PSN, as a service, not as good as XBL? Aside from the lack of party chat, which was the utter death of XBox Live socialising anyway, the games they have are mostly peer-to-peer to start with.

It starts with the dash, doesn't it? You turn on your Xbox, it automatically connects, and Xbox Live content is just... there, in front of you, inviting you to see what's new. It's an integrated system. And all of the other online functionality like chat works seamlessly as a result.

I turn on my PS3 and I'm confronted by the stylish but confusing, wordy mish-mash of menus that is the XMB. Getting to PlayStation Network content means finding and launching PSN as a separate program. Some games have their own in-built voice chat, while others don't. It feels bitty and tacked-on, like Sony doesn't "get" online in the same way.

Of course, that's just how things are now. It may all change. But as it stands Microsoft have had a massive head-start and are way out in front. It's not impossible for Sony to turn it around, but it is (understandably, I think?) hard to envisage.

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The only thing I ever missed on PS3 that 360 had was the cross game/party chat. That and no one seemed to have headsets on PS3 because they weren't bundled with the console. The actual gaming bit was fine from what I remember (haven't doing it in a long time) and didn't have any problems.

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Only if you purposely ignore the reasoning I gave above.It starts with the dash, doesn't it? You turn on your Xbox, it automatically connects, and Xbox Live content is just... there, in front of you, inviting you to see what's new. It's an integrated system. And all of the other online functionality like chat works seamlessly as a result.

I turn on my PS3 and I'm confronted by the stylish but confusing, wordy mish-mash of menus that is the XMB. Getting to PlayStation Network content means finding and launching PSN as a separate program. Some games have their own in-built voice chat, while others don't. It feels bitty and tacked-on, like Sony doesn't "get" online in the same way.

Of course, that's just how things are now. It may all change. But as it stands Microsoft have had a massive head-start and are way out in front. It's not impossible for Sony to turn it around, but it is (understandably, I think?) hard to envisage.

When I boot my PS3, it connects straight away, too. 'Live' content is a case of flicking to the right and connecting to the PSN store, which doesn't exactly take long.
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Yeah it's automated, I have my PS3 set to upload any updated saves every day at 4am. It downloads patches too. This is why I laugh when people big up the Xbox One's always online DRM because it "allows the console to keep my games up to date".

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Only if you purposely ignore the reasoning I gave above.It starts with the dash, doesn't it? You turn on your Xbox, it automatically connects, and Xbox Live content is just... there, in front of you, inviting you to see what's new. It's an integrated system. And all of the other online functionality like chat works seamlessly as a result.

I turn on my PS3 and I'm confronted by the stylish but confusing, wordy mish-mash of menus that is the XMB. Getting to PlayStation Network content means finding and launching PSN as a separate program. Some games have their own in-built voice chat, while others don't. It feels bitty and tacked-on, like Sony doesn't "get" online in the same way.

Of course, that's just how things are now. It may all change. But as it stands Microsoft have had a massive head-start and are way out in front. It's not impossible for Sony to turn it around, but it is (understandably, I think?) hard to envisage.

It's funny how different people's perceptions can be, I guess it depends on what excites you. In my mind, I boot up the PS3 and I'm presented with a logical menu which doesn't overly prioritise any particular feature of the machine (though it does default to sitting on the PSN Store icon). Whatever I want to do is only a few taps of left or right away. In comparison, I boot up the Xbox and it dumps me straight into a storefront trying to sell me stuff I don't want. The ads aren't targeted which means they're never anything I'm actually interested it. Even if I move left or right to see a specific catagory, it's full of adverts and the way things are organised makes no sense to me (I'm guessing things they want you to buy take priority? As opposed to me being able to choose from different options for organising my content.
I turned off automatic sign ins because there's nothing more annoying that trying to watch a movie or get immersed in a game and having little things pop up to tell you that people are online or whatever. Turned off trophy updates as well. If I want to play PS3 games online or get something from the shop, I connect, do that and they disconnect. Where you see an "integrated system" I see Microsoft trying to cram adverts for shit I don't want down my throat on every page. It's crazy how much space they find for adverts when they can only show you three games on each fucking screen. For a machine where 90% of the people using it are on Netflix which has lead them to focus it's successor largely on media integration, the 360 sure does whine and cry if I try to get it to play a media file which isn't a WMV. It feels like a mess, with more shit just stacked on top of old stuff until discoverability is a nightmare and you're moving past tonnes of shit which you don't want and didn't choose to have there.
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The PS3 UI is pretty user-friendly and it’s got a nice simple layout, although it does have some weird idiosyncrasies like having to press triangle and select ‘view all’ to see anything on a memory stick, or being totally unable to play MKV files. It’s clearly better than the Xbox UI, although I do like the way you can pin tiles to your startup screen, and the unified look and feel across all apps means that things with terrible user interfaces (like the PS3 version of Lovefilm, before they updated it) are better on the Xbox.

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Some of the ads are targeted, I've had games I'd never even heard recommended to me based on some of my more niche titles (it tells you which of your titles led to each recommendation), it's surprisingly accurate at gauging left-field tastes.

The dash rightfully get's a lot of flack for the amount of adverts, but I've never understood it being hard to navigate. The most important option of each tab is always the first one on the screen (top left), with any others directly below it. Options on the left, promos in the centre/right. You're never forced to scroll through the adverts. They're just there (and, if you are looking for the latest releases/sales/offers, occasionally quite handy). I like how clean and quick PSN is, but I actually find it more unintuitive in this respect.

The other thing I don't really get is the amount of flack they get for not having any sales. Admittedly they've only this year started having decent ones for Games on Demand, but they've been holding them for Live Arcade titles for years. I just got Guardian Heroes and Renegade Ops for less than £2 each, that's an outrageous bargain.

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Takes longer. I just navigate to my downloads folder and hit "go" from the PS3 the moment the download is finished on the laptop. Depends if you're trying to amass a collection of archival rips or just watch the latest episode of some junky TV show I spose :lol:

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