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This is the source for the above story. Seems like a reasonable take. The guy doesn’t come across as one of those weird internet Star Wars men who are consumed with hatred for Kathleen Kennedy. His opinions seem very normal.

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On 26/10/2022 at 20:07, K said:

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This is the source for the above story. Seems like a reasonable take. The guy doesn’t come across as one of those weird internet Star Wars men who are consumed with hatred for Kathleen Kennedy. His opinions seem very normal.

 

If the source is "the puck" then whilst he's not a culture warrior, he's nevertheless been on a pretty consistent anti-KK stance as long as he's been publishing under that brand.

 

I'd take huge issue with that line "with Marvel churning out multiple movies every year, such as massive pause is borderline corporate negligence".

 

Most of the criticisms that have come the way of Lucasfilm have been around lack of planning, and doing things too quickly, so surely taking a pause (some of it COVID-related anyway) is likely to be a good thing.  A chance to get their ducks in a row, plan things out.

 

And that accusation of 'corporate negligence' in comparison to Marvel is bizarre, as it suggests that a) every franchise needs to follow the Marvel blueprint to be succesful (they don't) and b) that 'churning out' (his words not mine) multiple movies per year is a good thing to in some way aspire to.

 

I think it's clear that Disney see Lucasfilm & Star Wars as a smaller, arguably more premium brand than Marvel, rather than wanting them to copy the comicbook franchise.  In many ways of course I'd love to get more movies more quickly, but actually not at the cost of quality.  In the meantime the TV output has been largely superb and should suffice until the next movie arrives.

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There’s been more new Star Wars content this year than between 1983 and 1999. I couldn’t give a monkeys if there are no films for another few years when we’re getting the range of stuff we’re getting at the moment.
 

Andor’s the best thing since Rogue One and Bad Batch, Ahsoka and Mando are out next year. Plus I have my Lego Star Wars advent calendar ready to go.

 

As for Lindelof, the projects he’s written and had the most control over have been Watchmen and The Leftovers, which is probably my favourite TV show of all time.

 

Who knows what’ll come out at the cinema after years in the Lucasfilm/Disney churner, but I’ll be here for it.

 

 

 

 

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On 26/10/2022 at 20:07, K said:

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This is the source for the above story. Seems like a reasonable take. The guy doesn’t come across as one of those weird internet Star Wars men who are consumed with hatred for Kathleen Kennedy. His opinions seem very normal.


The greatest trick the weird Internet man consumed with hatred for Kathleen Kennedy ever pulled, was convincing people he was very normal.

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1 hour ago, Sixkiller said:

If the source is "the puck" then whilst he's not a culture warrior, he's nevertheless been on a pretty consistent anti-KK stance as long as he's been publishing under that brand.

 

The source article at Puck is credited to Matthew Belloni. I'm not familiar with him or that site, but apparently he's the former editor of The Hollywood Reporter.

 

So you'd hope that his reports would be somewhat more informed than your average Reddit post. But the subheading and non-paywalled first couple of paragraphs do read like he'd fit right in at r/saltierthancrait.

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3 hours ago, Sixkiller said:

 

If the source is "the puck" then whilst he's not a culture warrior, he's nevertheless been on a pretty consistent anti-KK stance as long as he's been publishing under that brand.

 

I'd take huge issue with that line "with Marvel churning out multiple movies every year, such as massive pause is borderline corporate negligence".

 

Most of the criticisms that have come the way of Lucasfilm have been around lack of planning, and doing things too quickly, so surely taking a pause (some of it COVID-related anyway) is likely to be a good thing.  A chance to get their ducks in a row, plan things out.

 

And that accusation of 'corporate negligence' in comparison to Marvel is bizarre, as it suggests that a) every franchise needs to follow the Marvel blueprint to be succesful (they don't) and b) that 'churning out' (his words not mine) multiple movies per year is a good thing to in some way aspire to.

 

I think it's clear that Disney see Lucasfilm & Star Wars as a smaller, arguably more premium brand than Marvel, rather than wanting them to copy the comicbook franchise.  In many ways of course I'd love to get more movies more quickly, but actually not at the cost of quality.  In the meantime the TV output has been largely superb and should suffice until the next movie arrives.

 

Yeah, it's an odd criticism. If anything, trying to copy the Marvel model and release two Star Wars films within six months of each other was part of the problem last time round. Trying to churn out more films would just compound the issue; I'd say that the Star Wars films just don't lend themselves to that kind of approach. Marvel stuff is very formulaic (way too formulaic for me), but because it's based on specific characters, you get a certain amount of variation by switching up the characters within that template and targeting different demographics. Much as I love them, it seems more difficult to broaden the appeal of Star Wars films in the same way because the appeal is based on the tone and feel of a single film made in 1977.

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2 hours ago, JohnC said:

Shawn Levy is in talks to direct some Star Wars movie or other after he's done Deadpool 3. Maybe everyone gets a movie, with some getting cancelled along the way.

 

https://deadline.com/2022/11/star-wars-film-shawn-levy-directing-talks-after-deadpool-3-stranger-things-lucasfilm-1235166644/

 

Until Deadpool 3 turns out to be shit or a flop. Then he'll be kicked out.

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And The Last Jedi had renowned director Rian Johnson at the helm and look how divisive that turned out.

 

I think above all Star Wars needs a good story and the direction should be in service of that, not the other way around.

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The Last Jedi was indeed very divisive, in that critics were split between 91% positive on one side, and 9% negative on the other. The film divided critics into one colossal majority of people who liked it, and a tiny majority of people who didn’t. This is divisive in the strict technical sense of the word. 
 

Audiences were similarly split in two, in that they only sold 140,000,000 tickets which is just 2% of the world’s population. The vast majority of humans didn’t watch it at the cinema, which would explain why it only took in £1.4bn at the box office. 

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7 hours ago, K said:

The Last Jedi was indeed very divisive, in that critics were split between 91% positive on one side, and 9% negative on the other. The film divided critics into one colossal majority of people who liked it, and a tiny majority of people who didn’t. This is divisive in the strict technical sense of the word. 
 

Audiences were similarly split in two, in that they only sold 140,000,000 tickets which is just 2% of the world’s population. The vast majority of humans didn’t watch it at the cinema, which would explain why it only took in £1.4bn at the box office. 

If you don’t think The Last Jedi was divisive I don’t really know what to say.

 

I take it from your exaggerated sarcasm that you liked it though, maybe that’s why you’re feeling the need to defend it the way you are. As odd as that is.

 

Anyway, now you’ve had you’re defence force moment, shall we get back to discussing the original point about directors?

 

My second point in that I think the director of Star Wars doesn’t matter as much as the story is more worthy of discussion, don’t you agree?

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10 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

I just hope that they write the complete story before they start filming parts of it this time. 

That was my point really. I think with Star Wars it‘s more important that they get the story right, rather than going for a big name director.

 

Star Wars isn’t something where you want a pronounced directorial style really. If you look at the original trilogy, I’m sure Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand were chosen because they’re competent directors who could follow George’s lead, rather than for their unique take on things.

 

Contrast that with the latest trilogy and you’ll see JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson pulling in completely different directions, as though they wanted to put their own directorial stamp on things, all in service of their egos and to the detriment of the story.

 

So, for me at least, I’d much rather they put their efforts into the story and hire competent directors who can follow a consistent style.

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15 hours ago, K said:

The Last Jedi was indeed very divisive, in that critics were split between 91% positive on one side, and 9% negative on the other. The film divided critics into one colossal majority of people who liked it, and a tiny majority of people who didn’t. This is divisive in the strict technical sense of the word. 
 

Audiences were similarly split in two, in that they only sold 140,000,000 tickets which is just 2% of the world’s population. The vast majority of humans didn’t watch it at the cinema, which would explain why it only took in £1.4bn at the box office. 

Here he is again...

 

Yes yes, we get it, you love the last jedi. The rest of the world thinks it's shit, which is why it was retconned  BY THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE, in the following movie. The fact that was worse doesn't change that fact.

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4 hours ago, IcEBuRN said:

Here he is again...

 

Yes yes, we get it, you love the last jedi. The rest of the world thinks it's shit, which is why it was retconned  BY THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE, in the following movie. The fact that was worse doesn't change that fact.

Plenty of people don't think it's shit. It wasn't retconned either - it was mostly just ignored so JJ could make his ROTJ tribute. 

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5 hours ago, IcEBuRN said:

Here he is again...

 

Yes yes, we get it, you love the last jedi. The rest of the world thinks it's shit, which is why it was retconned  BY THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE, in the following movie. The fact that was worse doesn't change that fact.


he literally just gave you hard data as evidence to why the “rest of the world” didn’t think it was “shit”.  A lot of entitled and loud manbabies and MAGA cranks thought it was shit though and won’t stop telling you about it.

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Most people enjoyed it. It got the same metacritic score as Withnail & I, Blade Runner, 2001, Aliens, the Dark Knight, the Terminator, and Snowpiercer  (and shedloads of other classic films), none of which are considered divisive and all of which are considered to be classics. A tiny number of people disliked it a lot, but that's no more evidence of it being controversial than the tiny number of freaks who don't like Aliens is evidence that that film destroyed the franchise.

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On 09/11/2022 at 09:13, K said:

Jesus Christ. I think Star Wars deserves better than the guy who directed the Pink Panther remake, Cheaper by the Dozen, and any number of aggressively bland and mediocre comedies.

 

 

I'd rather let him make every Star Wars film from now on than have Patty "Expert pilot and aeronautical engineer" Jenkins direct just one.

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