Official Star Wars Thread - May the force be with you

[Phantoon]

2 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

The dagger shows the way to a Wayfinder that is then used to navigate through to Exegol.

OK, so how does it get back to the throne room?

[Kevvy Metal]

4 minutes ago, Phantoon said:

OK, so how does it get back to the throne room?

 

It was always there, and Exegol being a Sith location was always important?

Maybe the bounty hunter was intending on using it, and had to stash it and record it's location in the Sith Dagger location finder thing?
Also it doesn't actually matter and not a measurement of something being good or bad?
 

Is this now going to be a game of logic-wits so one can prove why a film I subjectively like and I film - I presume - you subjectively dislike is actually good or bad?

[Phantoon]

Not at all. I don't like the film because it's a boring dot to dot of plot points with no heart whatsoever, not because it has no internal logic.

 

But the point I'm making here is that it has absolutely no internal logic.

[K]

The thing is though, most of the criticism of the film seems to focus on things like the dagger and the convenience of the heroes crashing their ship at the location of the body of the Jedi hunter guy, rather than anything that actually matters in terms of being a good film or not. The dagger thing isn’t a plot hole anyway, as per that video above, it’s unexplained backstory.
 

Personally, I’ve got no issue with that sort of thing, because I like loose ends in films (to a certain extent) - I like the fact that this dagger suggests some kind of unrevealed narrative as to who made it and why. I can understand why people might not like that, but I don’t think it’s a failure on the part of the filmmakers - I would argue that kind of implied backstory is exactly what they were going for, even if it’s been done better elsewhere. 

[Kevvy Metal]

27 minutes ago, Phantoon said:

Not at all. I don't like the film because it's a boring dot to dot of plot points with no heart whatsoever, not because it has no internal logic.

 

But the point I'm making here is that it has absolutely no internal logic.

 

See, for me none of it's illogical. It makes perfect sense and these little things are more just unexplained because they're totally unimportant and any number of small mundane things could explain why x thing is in y location. None of it is - for me - totally immersion breaking weirdness. 

The prequels - on the other hand - are absolutely full of completely bamboozling things that I feel makes them actually hard to follow.

[Dirty Harry Potter]

Debating with someone that thinks The Rise Of Skywalker is "Great" - is like trying to tell someone who likes the taste of dog shit, that they should stop eating it.

 

[Dirty Harry Potter]

56 minutes ago, K said:

The thing is though, most of the criticism of the film seems to focus on things like the dagger and the convenience of the heroes crashing their ship at the location of the body of the Jedi hunter guy, rather than anything that actually matters in terms of being a good film or not. The dagger thing isn’t a plot hole anyway, as per that video above, it’s unexplained backstory.
 

Personally, I’ve got no issue with that sort of thing, because I like loose ends in films (to a certain extent) - I like the fact that this dagger suggests some kind of unrevealed narrative as to who made it and why. I can understand why people might not like that, but I don’t think it’s a failure on the part of the filmmakers - I would argue that kind of implied backstory is exactly what they were going for, even if it’s been done better elsewhere. 

 

The dagger is the least of the film's problems. It's a film, made by committee, trying desperately to second guess a rabid fanbase. Everything about it is compromised.

 

And whilst it looks pretty (what wouldn't with that kind of budget?) - its utterly creatively bankrupt.

[K]

46 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

Debating with someone that thinks The Rise Of Skywalker is "Great" - is like trying to tell someone who likes the taste of dog shit, that they should stop eating it.

 

Yeah, but at the same time, you come across as someone who despite not liking dogshit, eats dogshit all the time, and won’t stop going on about how much they hate the taste of dogshit, despite seemingly coming back to the dogshit bin every time some new dogshit is released holding a knife and fork. Someone who talks a lot about how they don’t like dogshit, but nonetheless keeps looking for YouTube videos to explain why the dogshit they’re eating doesn’t taste very nice, along with new evidence that the dogshit doesn’t make sense or that it isn’t as good as the white dogshit from the seventies and eighties that you grew up with; someone who ate some dogshit in 2017 and 2019 and ate a limited 6-part series of dogshit in 2022, and who is still very insistent on coming into tangentially related threads on rllmuk to explain that, get this, they still don’t like dogshit, and here’s a lengthy explanation as to why. 

[Dirty Harry Potter]

Here you go - Fill your boots @K 

 

Spoiler

 

 

[scottcr]

Rewatching the prequels with the boy - he hasn’t actually watched them since he was about 3 so can’t really remembering them.

 

they’ve aged well… really enjoying them now

[fly53r135]

14 hours ago, K said:

Yeah, but at the same time, you come across as someone who despite not liking dogshit, eats dogshit all the time, and won’t stop going on about how much they hate the taste of dogshit, despite seemingly coming back to the dogshit bin every time some new dogshit is released holding a knife and fork. Someone who talks a lot about how they don’t like dogshit, but nonetheless keeps looking for YouTube videos to explain why the dogshit they’re eating doesn’t taste very nice, along with new evidence that the dogshit doesn’t make sense or that it isn’t as good as the white dogshit from the seventies and eighties that you grew up with; someone who ate some dogshit in 2017 and 2019 and ate a limited 6-part series of dogshit in 2022, and who is still very insistent on coming into tangentially related threads on rllmuk to explain that, get this, they still don’t like dogshit, and here’s a lengthy explanation as to why. 

 

It more like you had the best meal of you life at a restaurant, and you kept happily eating there for years. Then the chef quit and left his recipe book. But the new management decided to start serving up dog shit. And you keep going back thinking eventually they'll get it right, they've got all the right ingredients.

 

 

[K]

TBH, it's more like "stop berating people for liking something you don't".

[Dirty Harry Potter]

To be clear - I was referring to The Rise of Skywalker which is viewed, almost universally, as a poor entry into the franchise.

 

If you think its "great" - more power to you.  

[fly53r135]

47 minutes ago, K said:

TBH, it's more like "stop berating people for liking something you don't".

 

You could have conveyed that with out using the term dogshit a dozen times. 

[Sixkiller]

39 minutes ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

To be clear - I was referring to The Rise of Skywalker which is viewed, almost universally, as a poor entry into the franchise.

 

I think the 'universally' is hyperbolic here, as is the repeated assertion that "it's dogshit".  It's neither universally loved nor hated.  It's divisive - 52% positive reviews on RT, 86% positive audience reviews on RT, 6.5 score on IMDB, average critic score of 53 on metacritic.  It's a lot more mixed than hoped, which is disappointing, but the more Star Wars we get, the more it appears impossible to ever please everyone.  Some of TROS's harshest critics are those who adore TLJ, itself a divisive entry for entirely different reasons.

 

And as someone who loves both TROS & TLJ, in spite of their flaws, I can easily see why others don't, but I really don't get the obsession some people have with trying to assert that these films are "objectively bad", and that anyone who finds joy in them is akin to someone enjoying eating faeces.  They're arguments with a real snobbish energy to them.

[Kevvy Metal]

Art including films can not be objectively measured as "good" or "bad", they're neither. It's the subjective opinion in the Eye of the Beholder. 

 

Case in point, I was recently watching both Moon Knight and Picard season 2 as they were both episodically released at the same time, so ripe for a comparison. 
Moon Knight was far cleverer and far more confidently directed and interesting, where as Picard was silly dumbness from top to bottom. 

 

...but if I being true to myself, I found Moon Knight to be a bit boring, and Picard S2 totally entertaining. 

[Nick R]

Important question:

 

 

 

 

[Phantoon]

It's at at. 80-80 can jog on

[Stoppy2000]

2 hours ago, Phantoon said:

It's at at. 80-80 can jog on

But then how do you pronounce AT-ST? 

[b00dles]

Chicken walker 😋 

[womblingfree]

2 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

But then how do you pronounce AT-ST? 

Ay tee Es tee.

 

@ @ is still @ @

[Phantoon]

17 hours ago, Stoppy2000 said:

But then how do you pronounce AT-ST? 

 

14 hours ago, b00dles said:

Chicken walker 😋 

Scout walker, but b00dles knows what's up

[Stoppy2000]

14 hours ago, womblingfree said:

Ay tee Es tee.

 

@ @ is still @ @

I find your lack of consistency disturbing.

[Hanzo the Razor]

Scout Walker.

[womblingfree]

 

[Stoppy2000]

1 hour ago, womblingfree said:

 

Doesn't count. It's got the wrong name for Boba Fett's ship so who knows what else they've got wrong...

[Dr Nookie]

I’m not reading through this thread to check so probably common knowledge, but there’s a doc on Prime called Elstree 1976 with a load of interviews with bit part actors from StarWars. Only half way through, but well worth a look. 

[Hanzo the Razor]

15 hours ago, womblingfree said:

 

 

Yeah everyone knows it's a Fireship Gunspray thing. Despite it being cannon that it's called Slave 1.  Cunts.

[womblingfree]

There’s footage of Lucas and Kirshner talking about @@‘s on the set of ESB.
 

Somewhere.

[Kevvy Metal]

@-@ sounds more aggresive and cool. I personnally prefer "@-@" and "Scout Walker"