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26 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

Genuine question - are these events actually good? What do they actually have there?

 

Never been to anything like this but my son is Star Wars mad and that's two weeks before his 14th birthday. Wondering if he'd enjoy it, or if it's just a bunch of people dressed up then £££ for anything that's actually good.

 

If it's like the 2016 one, You have to queue EARLY (as in turning up from 4am, yes really) to get event tickets (which are "free" after buying your main ticket). This is off the top of my head but there's several events happening in the day and you get access to three or so of them. So you need to queue and collect your tickets for the ones you want to see. Some stuff is less popular so you have everyone queue to see the Mark Hamill panel, and much less in say Ray Park 😅

These are basically the panels that you see streamed. That year was amazing! Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Rogue One panel. Loads! I hugely enjoyed it. When you're not in an panel event in one of the big theatres, you wander about the centre which is full of Star Wars things to buy and lots of cosplayers. 
I guess it's like Star War comic-con. 

 

The 4am thing, We were queue from around 4 or 5 am to get the tickets we wanted (as once you've got one, you've got to join the queue for another) We were often getting the tickets we wanted then heading back to our hotel to sleep for a few hours before the first panel began 😅

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This 4am thing doesn't sound pleasant. I don't mind a daytime queue but messing up my sleep pattern is the sort of thing I'm too old to deal with (plus I'd have my 10 year old with me). Also the actual site doesn't mention anything really about the specifics of panel entry etc. Could do with being a bit more open. 

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Yeah I'm not sure I could handle that!

 

If we pitched up at, say, 7am or 8am, would we still be able to see anything or would it just be a complete waste of time?

 

It'd be nice if you could book these things in advance somehow but I guess the demand is just too high.

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45 minutes ago, Garwoofoo said:

 

Genuine question - are these events actually good? What do they actually have there?

 

Never been to anything like this but my son is Star Wars mad and that's two weeks before his 14th birthday. Wondering if he'd enjoy it, or if it's just a bunch of people dressed up then £££ for anything that's actually good.


You can watch the interviews and panels from this year on You Tube to see if you’d like it.


Also lots of shopping, cosplay, autographs, exclusive tat, photo-shoots etc. Expect to queue.

 

They even had a concert by John Williams introduced by Harrison Ford this year. Plus Obi-Wan Kenobi debuted there.

 

I mean, it’s Star Wars Celebration organised by the people who make Star Wars. A bit of a step up from your average comic-con.

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4 hours ago, Garwoofoo said:

Yeah I'm not sure I could handle that!

 

If we pitched up at, say, 7am or 8am, would we still be able to see anything or would it just be a complete waste of time?

 

It'd be nice if you could book these things in advance somehow but I guess the demand is just too high.


I’ve heard of people queuing for hours to get tickets, only to see ushers literally herding in people who didn’t, if there are empty seats. Total pot-luck if that’ll happen at any particular thing though.

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2 hours ago, womblingfree said:


I’ve heard of people queuing for hours to get tickets, only to see ushers literally herding in people who didn’t, if there are empty seats. Total pot-luck if that’ll happen at any particular thing though.

I've seen people saying you enter a lottery for tickets to the panels? It's bizarre to me that none of this seems to be referenced on the ticket purchasing site? 

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Yeah I'm being slightly put off by the fact it looks like hotel, tickets and travel will add up to about £2k. I could afford a real holiday for that. But I just know it'll be sods law that I miss some amazing Star Wars once in a lifetime moment...

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On 30/05/2021 at 17:01, womblingfree said:

I think the, ahem, Fandom Menace, love the Prequels and Clone Wars, hate Kathleen Kennedy, Disney, Rian Johnson and all the sequels, especially Rose, Rey, hobo-Luke and TLJ. Don’t hear them talk about the Original Trilogy much, but it’s liked. Their hatred stems from Rey being a Mary-Sue, Luke being “NOT MY LUKE!!” and Rose saving Finn from being disintegrated. They will rail against these things all day every day until the heat death of the universe.

 

It reminds me a bit of Gamergate. If you post anything positive about anything to do with the sequels or Luke in TLJ you get the most vitriolic responses, almost always from men in their twenties who look like the bullies from a John Landis movie, or wild-eyed middle-aged men. People who love the sequels seem to be otaku, kids and most people with a passing interest in Star Wars who don’t realise it’s socially unacceptable in sports-bars.

 

TLDR: Star Wars has been co-opted by the alt-right.

 

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-the-alt-right-and-nostalgic-trolls-hijacked-geek-pop-culture

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/star-wars-last-jedi-reactions-show-how-right-wing-twitter-ncna917081

 

Salon article about this, covering the stuff that's recently come up against the Obi-Wan series (and also Ms Marvel):

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/30/marvel-star-fandom-menace-gamergate/

 

 

(The Syfy.com link in your post no longer works - here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20211001073702/https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/how-the-alt-right-and-nostalgic-trolls-hijacked-geek-pop-culture )

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That Syfy article is interesting, especially the plot holes point. It feels like plot holes used to be a fun thing that people would point out in films as a kind of intellectual game - a jokey way of getting one over the filmmakers, rather than a fundamental problem with a story. Like, you’d get articles pointing out stuff like there being nobody present to hear Kane say “Rosebud”, or there being no mechanism to get the fake money into the vault at the end of Ocean’s Eleven, or literally everything that happens in Speed, but this was usually presented as part of the necessary contrivances and shortcuts that go into telling a story.

 

I feel like plot holes have mutated over years into a general purpose stick to beat films you don’t like round the head with, so you get “criticism” like that Cinemasins guy who just doesn’t watch films properly and isn’t intelligent enough to fill in the gaps anyway, and you get the weird cottage industry in finding plot holes in new Star Wars content, which are usually along the lines of “why doesn’t Rey use force push at this point in the fight, it would be highly effective” or “stormtroopers in this era would be very familiar with this dialect of aurabesh, this deception makes no sense”. There seems to have been a new criterion added for whether something is a good film, ie “all character actions and motivations are always explicitly laid out” or “do the characters do what I decide is the optimal course of action at all times”. 

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On 03/07/2022 at 09:25, K said:

That Syfy article is interesting, especially the plot holes point. It feels like plot holes used to be a fun thing that people would point out in films as a kind of intellectual game - a jokey way of getting one over the filmmakers, rather than a fundamental problem with a story. Like, you’d get articles pointing out stuff like there being nobody present to hear Kane say “Rosebud”, or there being no mechanism to get the fake money into the vault at the end of Ocean’s Eleven, or literally everything that happens in Speed, but this was usually presented as part of the necessary contrivances and shortcuts that go into telling a story.

 

I feel like plot holes have mutated over years into a general purpose stick to beat films you don’t like round the head with, so you get “criticism” like that Cinemasins guy who just doesn’t watch films properly and isn’t intelligent enough to fill in the gaps anyway, and you get the weird cottage industry in finding plot holes in new Star Wars content, which are usually along the lines of “why doesn’t Rey use force push at this point in the fight, it would be highly effective” or “stormtroopers in this era would be very familiar with this dialect of aurabesh, this deception makes no sense”. There seems to have been a new criterion added for whether something is a good film, ie “all character actions and motivations are always explicitly laid out” or “do the characters do what I decide is the optimal course of action at all times”. 

Yeah, for some people watching films is some weird competition with the script, looking for "plot holes". If you see something you think isn't explained the film is now trash.

That's not how you should engage with art at all. To make it worse, quite often when people triumphantly trumpet their plot holes it becomes clear that they paid no attention to the film at all and the "plot hole" was actually explained.

 

Another fun thing is people complaining during TV series that things haven't been explained. 1) the series isn't complete, and the show has every right to hold explanations back and 2) things are often better left ambiguous. Do people need to be told what to think, now?

 

Cinemasins is a goddamn scourge, is what I'm saying.

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Rise of Skywalker is indeed a car crash, but it’s a beautiful looking car crash with at least well acted characters going on adventures with their mates. Although I have no excuses for Zori Bliss, Lando’s not daughter and the cast of Lost turning up at the expense of the former cast.

 

Also, like the Prequels, re-watching it after reading various comics and novels/audiobooks improves it a lot as you actually know what’s going on.

 

I’d recommend:

 

The Rise of Skywalker novelisation

Darth Vader by Greg Pak

Shadow of the Sith by Adam Christopher

 

No doubt a load more over the years.

 

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9 hours ago, Dirty Harry Potter said:

I think some of you are confusing plot holes for shit films.

 

The Rise Of Skywalker is a car crash. So much so it’s tanked Star Wars as a movie franchise.
 

And the TV output’s quality has been all over the place. 

I mean, having just said people shouldn't judge films based on plot holes, this is a film where it's a legitimate issue. If you think about any single thing in this hotch potch of nonsense nothing makes any internal sense. The ancient Sith dagger. It shows the Death Star ruins where Palpatine theoretically left the way finder. So, who made it? It'd have to be a Sith as it had their language on it. I don't think zombie Palpatine was much for metalwork though, and I'm pretty certain it was meant to be old. Why make it? You could've just put "it's in the throne room" in Sith and it would be every bit as safe.

 

Ochi, the Jedi killer. Parks his ship in the middle of a desert for no reason, gets promptly eaten by a worm. Good job.

 

The big problem with it though is that it's all plot, no story. Mcguffin after mcguffin and nobody ever makes any choice or decision, they're just after the next collectible from the beginning to the end. If JJ had done RotJ Luke would've gone to the Death Star not because he thought he could save his father but because Palpatine is deathly afraid of balloons and Vader has the galaxy's only pack or something

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1 hour ago, Phantoon said:

If JJ had done RotJ Luke would've gone to the Death Star not because he thought he could save his father but because Palpatine is deathly afraid of balloons and Vader has the galaxy's only pack or something

Imagine the noise Vader would make when blowing up balloons. Ben Burtt would have spent weeks figuring that out.

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On 03/07/2022 at 09:25, K said:

That Syfy article is interesting, especially the plot holes point. It feels like plot holes used to be a fun thing that people would point out in films as a kind of intellectual game - a jokey way of getting one over the filmmakers, rather than a fundamental problem with a story. Like, you’d get articles pointing out stuff like there being nobody present to hear Kane say “Rosebud”, or there being no mechanism to get the fake money into the vault at the end of Ocean’s Eleven, or literally everything that happens in Speed, but this was usually presented as part of the necessary contrivances and shortcuts that go into telling a story.

 

I feel like plot holes have mutated over years into a general purpose stick to beat films you don’t like round the head with, so you get “criticism” like that Cinemasins guy who just doesn’t watch films properly and isn’t intelligent enough to fill in the gaps anyway, and you get the weird cottage industry in finding plot holes in new Star Wars content, which are usually along the lines of “why doesn’t Rey use force push at this point in the fight, it would be highly effective” or “stormtroopers in this era would be very familiar with this dialect of aurabesh, this deception makes no sense”. There seems to have been a new criterion added for whether something is a good film, ie “all character actions and motivations are always explicitly laid out” or “do the characters do what I decide is the optimal course of action at all times”. 

 

Another amazing post that I couldn't agree more on! We should get a room! ❤️

 

Also Rise of Skywalker is great and you all can't stop me and my personal opinion. 

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19 hours ago, Phantoon said:

I mean, having just said people shouldn't judge films based on plot holes, this is a film where it's a legitimate issue. If you think about any single thing in this hotch potch of nonsense nothing makes any internal sense. The ancient Sith dagger. It shows the Death Star ruins where Palpatine theoretically left the way finder. So, who made it? It'd have to be a Sith as it had their language on it. I don't think zombie Palpatine was much for metalwork though, and I'm pretty certain it was meant to be old. Why make it? You could've just put "it's in the throne room" in Sith and it would be every bit as safe.

 

It's not an "ancient" Sith Dagger, this seems to be some kind of mandela effect because it's not actually in the film. The dagger is 30 years old or so and is a tool to find a location. Maybe it's configurable? you can set it up differently in accordance to the horizon you're looking at? Also it's a better hidden map that just having the location written on it.

Also, it totally doesn't matter it's again getting hung up on things that are meant to be fun and hark back to the old adventure serials. Do people get upset that Indiana Jones had to use a medalion in just the right place to fire a laser beam into a scale model of a city? Man! I wish they made it more boring and just had the location written down!

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OK, but at least that had a reason to exist and why somebody would want to make it - it's the guide to the Ark of the Covenant.  Something that may remain hidden for thousands of years, it make sense to make clues to where it is that only the faithful could find. And you can easily imagine who might have made it. I'm addition when you use the Staff of Ra's gimmick you aren't literally sat looking at where the thing is already.

 

Who made the dagger? Who was it intended for? There's nothing interesting on Exegol beyond the gargantuan fleet that Palpy apparently knocked up in a cave from a box of scraps. Why would anyone make up some utterly bollocks clue that a random could find and use to find the fleet?

 

Saying that it's fun and hearkening back to adventure serials doesn't excuse it being crap. Both Indiana Jones and Star Wars are better than their antecedents and give at least a cursory reason for its mcguffins to exist. This doesn't, the dagger makes no sense because neither the writers or the director could trouble their arses with it

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1 hour ago, Phantoon said:

OK, but at least that had a reason to exist and why somebody would want to make it - it's the guide to the Ark of the Covenant.  Something that may remain hidden for thousands of years, it make sense to make clues to where it is that only the faithful could find. And you can easily imagine who might have made it. I'm addition when you use the Staff of Ra's gimmick you aren't literally sat looking at where the thing is already.

 

Who made the dagger? Who was it intended for? There's nothing interesting on Exegol beyond the gargantuan fleet that Palpy apparently knocked up in a cave from a box of scraps. Why would anyone make up some utterly bollocks clue that a random could find and use to find the fleet?

 

Saying that it's fun and hearkening back to adventure serials doesn't excuse it being crap. Both Indiana Jones and Star Wars are better than their antecedents and give at least a cursory reason for its mcguffins to exist. This doesn't, the dagger makes no sense because neither the writers or the director could trouble their arses with it

 

It's all in the film? It's a Sith dagger. The disciples of the Sith are all congregating in the unchartered territory that's difficult to navigate to, hidden deliberately where they're getting together to observe the resurrection of Palpatine and the rebirth of the Sith army (the Sith being a large force harking back to the Old Republic era). The dagger shows the way to a Wayfinder that is then used to navigate through to Exegol. It's maybe for that bounty hunter hired to kill luke, or generally a disciple of the Sith who wants to get there. It's like a secret club. 

 

I mean, it's a thing to find another thing and not something I'd get too upset about. You might not like it but that certainly doesn't make it crap, or at least not in my opinion. 

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