Gender Diversity / Politics in games (was Tropes Vs. Women)

[Unofficial Who]

And on another note Jim Sterling has made a video about the politics of Dark Souls which might be of interest if you're into the lore (spoilers).

 

 

[K]

Can anyone summarise that for people who can't stand Jim Sterling, but are morbidly interested in whether or not he's having a dig at Dark Souls?

[Lovelyman]

I watched the first part and I don't think so. 

 

I like him though so I'll watch it later. 

[Unofficial Who]

3 minutes ago, K said:

Can anyone summarise that for people who can't stand Jim Sterling, but are morbidly interested in whether or not he's having a dig at Dark Souls?

 

He's not having a dig at Dark Souls. It's actually made me interested enough to give it another shot after bouncing off it twice.

[Ste Pickford]

9 minutes ago, K said:

Can anyone summarise that for people who can't stand Jim Sterling, but are morbidly interested in whether or not he's having a dig at Dark Souls?

 

Nah, he's not having a dig at Dark Souls.

 

He's explaining how the the story of Dark Souls is clearly very political, even though it's all fantasy and dragons, and only given through snippits of lore in item descriptions etc., in response to someone taking the piss out of him by saying he's daft enough to think even the story of Sekiro is political (ie, someone who thinks claiming game stories are political makes you an idiot).

 

It's a pale shadow of the greatest dark souls video ever made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7Td0aesimw

[Unofficial Who]

And this was after someone knocked him for claiming that The Division was political. Because everyone knows Tom Clancy was never political.

[Qazimod]

2 hours ago, Ste Pickford said:

He's explaining how the the story of Dark Souls is clearly very political, even though it's all fantasy and dragons

 

Political friction is a bit of a trope of this kind of classic medieval-esque fantasy format anyway, so it's not that much of a stretch.  

[PaB]

2 hours ago, K said:

Can anyone summarise that for people who can't stand Jim Sterling, but are morbidly interested in whether or not he's having a dig at Dark Souls?

No he's not having a dig. He is just drawing some equivalences between dark souls and real life politics. Like you can with most fiction.  As if he has come up with some startling revelation.

 

Its really not a very good watch.

 

 

[Broker]

2 hours ago, PeteBrant said:

No he's not having a dig. He is just drawing some equivalences between dark souls and real life politics. Like you can with most fiction.  As if he has come up with some startling revelation.

 

Its really not a very good watch.

 

 

 

He’s not claiming it’s a startling revelation, he’s saying it because most people who consume games and YouTube videos are moronic Nazis who think suggesting this incredibly obvious thing is crazy.

[The Bag]

If you’re on twitter please signal boost this:

More:

Marc Ten Bosch

 

Alexis Kennedy

Ken Wong - not sexual abuse but still abuse

Michael Antonov

Vlad Micu

 

I’m so fucking disappointed in my industry right, but sadly not surprised if I’m honest with myself.

[Broker]

We need a list of what studios these people work at, and what games they’ve worked on. 

[Dig Dug]

Its because of these new cases that I learned that James Portnow of extra credits is also an abuser.

[chamberlago]

@The Bag looks like you embedded the wrong tweet about Ken Wong (Monument Valley) but I presume it was this one
 

 

[The Bag]

49 minutes ago, chamberlago said:

@The Bag looks like you embedded the wrong tweet about Ken Wong (Monument Valley) but I presume it was this one
 

 

I did, thanks.

[NEG]

If the recent ProJared dealings has taught me anything, it is to not consume anyone's word as absolute fact.

[Alex W.]

One day I won't have to keep doing this.

[TehStu]

Won't somebody think of the incorrectly accused male abusers, whose numbers must be, what, 7 orders of magnitude less than the number of women who put up with abuse, daily, in every walk of life.

[Unofficial Who]

Re: the ProJared thing, feel free to expand on this with a summary of what's happened and why it's relevant to the current #metoo discussion.

[The Bag]

This is not the way anyone would have wanted any of this to go.  Any one who followed Alec’s personal twitter could see he hadn’t been doing well for a long time, way before this past week.

 

Edit

 

 

And the usual GG assholes are kicking off about how Zoe Quinn is responsible for this death.  Fuck everything right now.

[NEG]

I guess that's one name you can take off your list now, Broker?

[The Bag]

Oh do fuck off

[b00dles]

FFS neg. What the fuck are those recent responses in this thread? Does it seem like reasonable things to say if you hear about loads of sexual assault? Even "in the pub" or amongst closest of friends those posts are amazingly ignorant to make.

 

In this same thread when this whole thing started you even had an alleged moment of clarity about trying to be better etc and you're clearly full of shit. 

[Zero9X]

Problem I have is that immediately is one way things are perceived until the full facts have been given. Journalism I do not trust. Zoe Quinn I have always been suspectful about. But it’s hard to say when I’m not the victim or I am directly involved. 
 

Not the first time she’s gone to the media to report these kinds of incidents well after the fact. I mean after the first time you’d think she learn about how to handle it. I’m just thinking out loud.

 

Alec Holowka is now dead, if this is all bullshit this is something she has to live with. There’s victims that are voiceless that could set them back. 
 

Hopefully I’m wrong. But I smell bullshit.

[Festoon]

I smell bullshit too, but not from Quinn.

[The Bag]

52 minutes ago, Zero9X said:

Problem I have is that immediately is one way things are perceived until the full facts have been given. Journalism I do not trust. Zoe Quinn I have always been suspectful about. But it’s hard to say when I’m not the victim or I am directly involved. 
 

Not the first time she’s gone to the media to report these kinds of incidents well after the fact. I mean after the first time you’d think she learn about how to handle it. I’m just thinking out loud.

 

Alec Holowka is now dead, if this is all bullshit this is something she has to live with. There’s victims that are voiceless that could set them back. 
 

Hopefully I’m wrong. But I smell bullshit.

 

And the other 2 or 3 women who have spoken out about him?  Or the women who have said they were warned about him by others in the local industry?

 

And please don’t go bringing that gamer gate bullshit in here.

[Zero9X]

It is what it is. I said what I needed to say.

[Alex W.]

Well, it isn’t what you think it is, and you didn’t need to say any of that.

[BitterToad]

1 hour ago, Zero9X said:

 

Not the first time she’s gone to the media to report these kinds of incidents well after the fact. I mean after the first time you’d think she learn about how to handle it. I’m just thinking out loud.

 

Don't. Take some time to make a measured, considered response. 

 

If he did what he did it was awful. The fact that he's died is awful. Don't "think out loud" and blame accusers because you've read about them from arsehole gamergaters. Fuck me the internet is poison. Get fucked. You as well, NEG. Get fucked. 

[Wroth]

Alec had actually been working with us on an unannounced project. We let him go after the news broke out. I really don't know what to think right now. Would the same thing have happened either way?

[Zero9X]

1 minute ago, Mugman said:

 

Don't. Take some time to make a measured, considered response. 

 

If he did what he did it was awful. The fact that he's killed himself is awful. Don't "think out loud" and blame accusers because you've read about them from arsehole gamergaters. Fuck me the internet is poison. Get fucked. You as well, NEG. Get fucked.