Gender Diversity / Politics in games (was Tropes Vs. Women)

[K]

Thanks for following me on twitter. Sorry I don't follow you back.

I don't follow you on Twitter. Between that and thinking you're a dick, that makes two things Milo and I have in common.

[rockstarjez]

I don't follow you on Twitter. Between that and thinking you're a dick, that makes two things Milo and I have in common.

That's quite alright. I think you're a dick too. A very small dick.

[lordscotland]

Fuck! I just possed 'the rockstar' in error. Just had to make that clear in case the bellend thought he had some support for his rampant twat-onslaught.

[Jarik]

I have no problem with Milo winding up Feminist Losers in the same way as I have no objection to GG going after Unethical Gaming Journalists. The problem comes from them failing to acknowledge that there are any other types of Feminists or Game Journalists.

The entire criteria for deciding who is on what 'side' appears to be whether they agree with them or not, which is the same kind of thinking that had people in the Gamergate Controversy Talk page on Wikipedia trying to label the entirety of the press (and not just the gaming press, all press) as 'biased' which in order to be true, would involve a conspiracy of such scope & magnitude that every person of Earth would have to be in on it.

[Benny]

On the one hand, that prisoner Capwn has been exchanging letters with once did something very very bad indeed, but, on the other hand, rockstarjez has consistently been a giant twat his entire life.

So I'm not saying he's worse than a murderer, just definitely a lot more annoying to have around.

[Broker]

Jez arrives and suddenly my quota of negative votes for the day is already done.

[Alex W.]

You just don't get into an insult fight with K. It's not done.

[rockstarjez]

You guys are funny. I will leave this topic alone now.

[Shoes]

That's quite alright. I think you're a dick too. A very small dick.

Siiiiiiick burn!

[Jarik]

You guys are funny. I will leave this topic alone now.

Thanks for dropping by!

....

So, how about that Tropes vs Women in Videogames series huh? Made some good points, got me thinking. How about everyone else?

[Anne Summers]

Poor Jez. Buys 10,000 Twitter followers to try and make himself look popular and important but Milo still ignores him

[b00dles]

So, how about that Tropes vs Women in Videogames series huh? Made some good points, got me thinking. How about everyone else?

Yeah I'm not sure if I agree on all her points but they're thought provoking at least and it's certainly some stuff that I wouldn't have considered before due to it being the norm. Very interesting though, always glad to have any sort of discourse that will result in better writing, better characters and hopefully more people making and enjoying games.

[David Kenny]

I have no problem with Milo winding up Feminist Losers in the same way as I have no objection to GG going after Unethical Gaming Journalists. The problem comes from them failing to acknowledge that there are any other types of Feminists or Game Journalists.

The entire criteria for deciding who is on what 'side' appears to be whether they agree with them or not, which is the same kind of thinking that had people in the Gamergate Controversy Talk page on Wikipedia trying to label the entirety of the press (and not just the gaming press, all press) as 'biased' which in order to be true, would involve a conspiracy of such scope & magnitude that every person of Earth would have to be in on it.

I don't think it takes much of a conspiracy for the majority of people to be biased against a despicable hate movement, laughably masquerading as something else. So in this case I think they were probably right.

Also I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "feminist loser", and I don't think GG have ever actually concerned themselves with ethics in game journalism*.

*Just writing the phrase "ethics in games journalism" seems like lending validity to something patently ridiculous.

[Jarik]

Even dismissing GG means that you're talking about GG, which is what they want. This oxygen of publicity is also why GG supporters keep trying to derail conversations about things like the Tropes series whenever they seem to be getting somewhere.

[NEG]

Everyone's talking about the Game Gear.

[Jarik]

Everyone's talking about the Game Gear.

This shortened version of the name has been adopted in a lot of the Twitter discussions I've seen simply so that they don't have the GG supporters who monitor for the hashtag crowding in with their tired, circular & debunked arguments that they refuse to admit are tired, circular & debunked.

[NEG]

Misogynist Pigs would be good enough for me. To the worst like Milo, at least.

It even shortens to MP, it's brilliant.

[Nick R]

[Spacehost]

Let's not spend time making Milo look like an idiot. He's good enough at that himself.

[sir stiff_one]

You are correct. I've said both sides annoy me, and according to the forums arbiter of moral guidance, Stiff, that makes me a raging Nazi woman hating gamergater.

That and you being a totally pointless moron.

[Mentazm]

Don't you have more Nike products to buy stiff?

[spork]

#justwordsontheinternet

[MDY]

Oh god, he's on BBC1 now!

The Big Questions is doing 'Does social media recall men's hatred for women'

[Unofficial Who]

There's a big push for him to do an Australian tour.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_year_of_milo/

Excellent Breitbart columnist and jazz hands scholar Milo Yiannopoulos is 16 days into his year of revolutionary cultural libertarianism:

It stands against any authoritarian, from the Right or the Left, who sucks fun and freedom from the world like some kind of vampire without the cool factor, and who uses faux grievances and exaggerated victimhood to get what they want. Cultural libertarianism rejects the fainting-couch feminism and race-baiting of the Left in favour of deliberately provocative joyfulness and exuberance. It also predicates facts over hurt feelings, versus the social justice crowd who want to turn harrowing anecdotes into “lived experience” — which we are then expected to treat like scientific data.

While college campuses retreat into safe spaces, emotional coddling and treating the leaders of tomorrow like primary school children, cultural libertarians think of new ways to provoke and offend people. In a culture of control, conformity, and coddling, cultural libertarians are the true counterculture. 2015 was the year victimhood and hurt feelings became social currency — but cultural libertarians are putting an end to the madness.

It’s all part of Milo’s Dangerous Faggot tour of 2016, which aims to take down the social justice warrior movement:

If you take their crybully pronouncements at face value, social justice warriors believe, with all the fervor of a paranoiac, that they are helpless, fragile things, buffeted by sinister structural forces they are powerless to resist. They believe that their opponents possess power that, if used ruthlessly enough, could eradicate them. What do you say we prove them right?

Quite so. Milo should bring his tour to target-rich Australia.

[Unofficial Who]

Meanwhile That Dragon Cancer is taking a lot of heat.

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/gamers-have-become-the-new-religious-right-8069235

For instance, That Dragon, Cancer has just come out, a game I’ve been avidly waiting for more than the last two years. It’s a game about navigating the world of parents whose son is diagnosed with a rare and deadly form of cancer as a baby. The game was inspired by the experiences of creators Amy and Ryan Green, whose son, Joel, lived to the age of five after being given only four months to live when he was one.

It sounds like a beautiful bit of interactive art, and as someone who has watched way too many people lose to the dragon I had a personal interest in playing it once I get paid this weekend. Unfortunately, Feminist Frequency gave the game a good review, and so of course the horde has descended on Steam to flood the forums with cries of “feels-marketing” and saying the Greens immoral for not donating profits to cancer research. Bear in mind, none of these people have actually played That Dragon, Cancer. They just hate it because a bunch of other people they normally pick on all got together and said it made them feel something.

[Liquid Myth]

"Aims to take down the SJW movement"? There's been whole newspapers and media outlets devoted to it for decades, and if Rupert Murdoch's billions can't do it, what chance for a leech like Milo?

[Alex W.]

"uses faux grievances and exaggerated victimhood to get what they want"

This from the man who says a Liberal media conspiracy stealing his Twitter badge is the most important issue in free speech right now.

[K]

How much of a self-identified capital-G gamer crybaby twat do you have to be to rail against a game about a child dying of cancer, which was made by someone using their actual experience of their child dying of cancer?

[Dudley]

Because if they'd had free speech they wouldn't have made that, the same people would totally have made that 11 billionth brown corridor military dystopian near future shoot em up that we so desperately need.

[K]

Imagine being someone who thinks they're hard done by compared to someone whose kid died of cancer, because the dead child's parent made a game about that experience and you're afraid that this might somehow result in the next Gears of War being slightly less violent.