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Speaking of Twitter

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/12/30/1742256/twitter-bans-hateful-conduct#comments

The comments are full of people over-reacting.

etc. Most of the comments are by people worried about their Freedom of Speech.

I don't think they have anything to worry about. These new guidelines are designed to shut down tweets by ISIS and other terrorist organisations. I think time will show that it will be completely fine for the usual suspects to continue their harrassment of Zoe Quinn and any other SJW they deem as fair game.

Slashdot's always been full of garbage idiots, and I realised that when I stopped looking at it over ten years ago before I was even aware of egalitarian-based movements.

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So Anita is putting together a review of StarWars.

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In all seriousness, I'm guessing that Anita will be mostly positive about it (instantly causing thousands of anti FF people to vomit knowing they have just watched and enjoyed an Anita approved film) but hopefully she covers the negatives too with how Carrie Fisher was treated at the start of production and during the release (and after).

Before : Being asked to drop weight http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/12/disney-execs-asked-princess-leia-actress-carrie-fisher-to-lose-weight-for-new-star-wars-film/

After : Getting hit with far more comments about her looks than Ford/Hamill http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/star-wars-carrie-fisher-body-shaming-1.3384323

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Derived from the cuckoo that lays its eggs in other birds nests and has the unwitting bird raise their child..

Was then applied to a man who doesn't know his wife is cheating on him (and may then be raising kids who aren't his..)

(It's also apparently a fetish - for guys who like watching/hearing about their wives having sex with other men while they watch or just hear about it after..)

They seem to have adopted it as a derogatory term for a male who isn't getting any due to being an ineffectual male/SJW etc.. but is too meek/politically correct/respectful of empowered women to do anything about it..

The irony is staggering..

While on one level it's incredibly depressing the science fiction fan in me is enjoying living in a fucked up future world where in an information saturated society an entire group of people have taken to parseing reality through subgenres of porn.

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Basically she's not a Star Wars person and this didn't really do anything to change that.

She also talks in depth about the lack of character development or something but she was also wearing ear-rings so I found it difficult to concentrate on all that wordy stuff.

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Yeah, she gives a good account of the problems with the standard artifice in rayguns and rocket-ships fiction. It sounds like she might've enjoyed it a bit despite herself though.

By complete coincidence, today I got a book of Stanislav Lem's essays on SF's potential and the limitations of relying on these old tropes. £3 in the sales. Looking forward to reading that.

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I can see her points about the movie not having time to deveop the relationships properly. I think this is where TV is successfully challenging film, there's more room for more naunced character arcs. I loved The Force Awakens but it did feel a little rushed and claustophobic and a lot of that can be put down to time.

I mean look at games. One of the best stories of the year for me was Tales from the Borderlands. It's got great character development but it has the luxery of about 10-12 hours for that to happen in. There's just no time for that to happen in just over two hours.

The Return of the Jedi cut footage bit was interesting.

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I assume it's short for cuckhold, which is an old derogatory term for a husband who's wife has had an affair. I have no idea what it's supposed to mean in this context.

Let me nail this one before it takes hold here; it's 'cuckold'. No 'h'.

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I can see her points about the movie not having time to deveop the relationships properly. I think this is where TV is successfully challenging film, there's more room for more naunced character arcs. I loved The Force Awakens but it did feel a little rushed and claustophobic and a lot of that can be put down to time.

I think that's a poor excuse. Not having the time in 135 minutes to develop a character?

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The 'general audience' would probably argue there was enough character. Star Wars is made in mind for the widest audience out there, after all.

More logically and hopefully: They have 2 more movies to work with, and thankfully J.J won't be the one making.

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I think that's a poor excuse. Not having the time in 135 minutes to develop a character?

Given the amount of characters it was shoehorning in I'm amazed they got half the character development. (Then again you're right, that's a pretty shit excuse given that Cloud Atlas got loads of character development in with double the characters.) I'd love to have seen a slower arc with

Finn but I guess for pacing it had to start when he'd made his decision not to be a stormtrooper.

Maybe an extended DVD cut will have that.

In comparison

Kylo Ren was handled really well but I should save that for the Star Wars thread.

The new Star Wars is important in regards to representation. And it's not just the two main characters.

I've kind of understood intellectually the arguement about how representation is important but I've never actually understood why until the Force Awakens. I'm not black, and I'm not a woman but I've sort of internalised the Hollywood model, most of the time the default hero or central character is by default a white male. It's just the way things are.

And then during the Force Awakens Poe comes on screen. He's one of the supporting cast but it's clear he's one of the heroes, and he's incredibly confident and charismatic. And I notice this because he's not the standard white dude. He has olive skin and black wavy hair. And I'm watching and suddenly I understand, 12 year old me would have found this amazing, I would have loved it. Because for me growing up the only people with olive skin you'd see on screen would be mafia or south American drug lords. "Wog" heroes in media were few and far between. Fonzie I guess. Tony Danza from Who's the Boss maybe. I can't remember many though, and especially not as heroes. Apart from Rocky and as a nerd I just couldn't relate to boxing. I would have been stoked having Poe as a hero when I was a kid.

And this is what I love about The Force Awakens, in the film Finn, Rey, Poe, none of them are defined by their race or gender. It doesn't get mentioned. It's not an issue. It's all about their character and their actions. It's empowering. I can't speak for women or for black men but for me it was great seeing someone who looked like me being presented as a hero and not as a thug, criminal or con man.

I can kind of understand why some Star Wars fans might be disappointed with feeling somewhat under represented

although why they would with Han fricken Solo being the centre of the film for a lot of it I don't know.

To which the answer might be "Hey you have six other Star Wars movies to fall back on, three of which are good. Oh and also only 90% of movies ever made in the west."

Then again I suspect the people who didn't like Force Awakens for it's diversity probably felt really uncomfortable about Kylo Ren.

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The review starts well but calling out the lack of psychological depth to the human relationships in a film of this type is ridiculous. Star Wars isn't attempting a complex study of familial relations or the effects of human warfare, and the inclusion of the latter would seriously change the tone of the film as light entertainment, whilst the former would potentially weigh the film down. So... no.

RoTJ is all about familial relationships. Amazing how you suddenly desperately need to find something to criticise when it's the boogeyman commenting.

She hasn't worn colourful earrings since her first videos, which I liked more, boo!

Fuck off Neg, adults are talking.

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