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5 hours in and still enjoying it. I genuinely believe that a key part in the reviews being so bad are that the review copies were sent out two weeks ago. Imagine that GTAV just came out, an exciting huge game filled with in depth gameplay and instead you need to be playing this slow sodding game. Imagine having to play a game like Beyond when you haven't even scratched the surface of GTA. It would feel like a long painful chore.

Yeah, I bet those reviewers whose job it is to play loads of varied games just couldn't handle the change of pace. We're they also just not ready to handle the mature themes like sexy ladies and punching?

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5 hours in and still enjoying it. I genuinely believe that a key part in the reviews being so bad are that the review copies were sent out two weeks ago. Imagine that GTAV just came out, an exciting huge game filled with in depth gameplay and instead you need to be playing this slow sodding game. Imagine having to play a game like Beyond when you haven't even scratched the surface of GTA. It would feel like a long painful chore.

They'd have had GTAV two weeks earlier as well though, two weeks before this.

I think you nailed it when you described it as a slow sodding game that is a long painful chore. Maybe that's why the reviews have been poor.

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David Cage is such a god damn hack. Whenever I hear him talking about wanting to 'push forward the medium' I get so mad. He's not going to do it if his writing's terrible and he doesn't embrace more the medium he's in!

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I'm still making my way through that Super Best Friends playthrough. Another thing I'd forgotten was the terribly racist Chinese book store owner who looks like an extra from an old Fu-Manchu film. Although oddly, in terms of their modelling of facial features he looks less Asian than the characters who aren't even meant to be.

I think I'm going to rent Beyond. Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain have provided the basis for many lols and I want to know the context of future jokes.

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David Cage doesn't make videogames, he makes acting simulators. He gives you a character to play, a script to follow, maybe lets you improv a bit now and again, but if you miss your cues too often he'll make you do the scene over and over (Fahrenheit), kill your character off (Heavy Rain) or just carries on as if it never happened (Beyond). There is no free will or agency for the player; you just have to follow the cue cards.

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Played a chapter last night that comes later in the game. SO bad!! TERRIBLE. The setting looks horrendous. The characters awful and cliche and worst of all it seems to be 5 times longer than any other chapter. It just keeps going on and on and on.

The Farm level. It's like a terrible bizarre scooby doo episode with the most tedious unlikable characters. Go and collect water! Go and collect Hay!! Talk to boring people! Go and find stuff to get endless pointless flashbacks! Run away from a monster! (ok this bit actually is a bit good) Go on a boring journey on a stupid horse through a Red Dead Redemption environment only if that game came out 10 years ago and had no love put into it. Also it's one of the few moments in the game you can actually get a bit lost. Argh and worst of it just feels like it goes on and on.

I think one of the strong points of the games is using your abilities in normal environments and situations, such as against bullies or people who have you locked up in a lab. Take those abilities into a sci-fi situation with demons etc and it just doesn't seem interesting anymore. Not sure how far I am into this other than 5 or so hours but so far I feel like the game had a strong start but it's starting to lose it's way.

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I've enjoyed David Cage's previous work, yes, even Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy, but a few hours into this and it's yet to have me hooked. Part of the problem I'm finding is the way it just randomly jumps through time to different points in the story. Hopefully it'll all come together and make sense near the end, then again this is a David Cage game so anything is possible.

Also, David Cage saying "Game overs are a failure of game design". No, I'd say zero challenge is a failure of game design. I'm constantly fucking stuff up with no penalty, the story just continuing as normal. It feels like a massive step back from Heavy Rain.

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I've enjoyed David Cage's previous work, yes, even Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy

As far as I remember Farenheit was rather well received at the time and wasn't the unmitigated shit-pile you'd imagine from reading a lot of what gets written about it these days. I prefer it to Heavy Rain whose controls just hadn't advanced enough in the intervening years, rendering the beautfully re-created actors like clockwork mannequins with a rod up their back.

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As far as I remember Farenheit was rather well received at the time and wasn't the unmitigated shit-pile you'd imagine from reading a lot of what gets written about it these days.

Nah, it's a total shit-pile. I thought that as soon as I finished it. It does some clever stuff but it's all buried under layers of wanton stupidity and lumbered with a script that's absolutely terrible.
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Nah, it's a total shit-pile.

Yes I know some people think it's a total shit-pile but it got good reviews when it came out and plenty of people enjoyed it. It wasn't wasn't some critically panned disaster.

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Fahrenheit is a shit pile, it got good reviews due to it being unique and cinematic.

Cage did get a bit better since then, but it's no longer unique, other games are exploring the same territory but with actual non-terrible writing and plot, and critics and the general audience are recognising the flaws in his output.

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Yes I know some people think it's a total shit-pile but it got good reviews when it came out and plenty of people enjoyed it. It wasn't wasn't some critically panned disaster.

Because at the time there wasnt anything like it, it was fps and rts games at the time if I remember. Then comes Fahrenheit promising movie style storylines coupled with mo-cap acting etc. I think people just were won over the style, it felt edgy I guess at the time but even then like Spacehost I remember playing it and thinking it was garbage.

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Having watched that playthrough of it, it was far, far worse than I remembered it being (and I didn't hold it in high regards to start with). It fails utterly on both gameplay and story levels.

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I havent been able to finish any of Cages games. I thought Fahrenheit was awesome for the opening like 30 minutes, then it became abundantly clear the story was being made up as it went along and next thing i knew i was running around an office hiding from electronic giant insects or some shit. Ditto Heavy Rain, tho i didnt even enjoy the opening of that. It was trying too hard to make you care about some horribly acted overly twee family i couldnt give a shit about. And then it's story went to absolute dogshit with crime solving sunglasses man and the torture porn.

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Its his M.O.

Fahrenheit was amazing at the time I remember beause of its cinematic storyline and choices.

Heavy Rain was held in high esteem too by many, again it looked pretty but story was just balls.

Beyond looks the same but I hope I'm not disappointed.

Ellen you should have let them use your in Last Of Us.

I seem to remember that Fahrenheit basically blew all it's load on the beginning section (the cafe bit?), which you could do in the demo. That was pretty great - did an awful lot right, and I was really looking forward to the game...which then proceeded to be a huge great crap fest. Awful, awful game.

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So, the Mayans didn't actually get wiped out by the Spanish, they actually became a hugely powerful illuminati style secret government and now they're engaged in a war with the internet which became sentient and wants to wipe out humanity so A.I. can rule the planet. For [reasons] they're using black-magic, including pentagrams - that famously Mayan symbol - to mind control people and get them to murder other people. Unfortunately for them, in a city of around 8 million people they happen to choose someone whose Mum worked on a military base holding secret alien technology which irradiated her womb and gave him powers like Neo from The Matrix. Both sides are after him and send the following to attack him - electric monster dust mites, demon furniture, Judeo-Christian angels, giant panthers - eventually the Mayans get bored and lure him to the top of a rollercoaster and then collapse it. But due to his magic powers he comes back as a zombie, also the world is in now a second Ice Age. He discovers there's a child of prophecy that both sides want and hooks up with a secret underground army of tramps that are fighting them. He takes the child to the site of the alien artefact that gave him his powers for [reasons], there he has a Dragonball Z fight with the Chief Mayan and the embodiment of the internet, which looks like a giant dude made of lightning.

For sake of showing how mental the storytelling is, I've highlighted the bits that happen and/ or are explained in the last hour of the game in bold.
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The best ending is the AI ending, where

humanity ends up living underground where it's still warm while an army of machines control the surface, fought against by a computer programmer with supernatural abilities who died and returned to life, if only because you can imagine it coming about because David Cage got high and watched the Matrix Trilogy and wanted a prequel.

You also forgot to mention the Mayan Illuminati live in another dimension.

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In Super Best Friends Play they say that Cage must write game plots by making a list of "cool" or "emotional" things, writing scenes where those things happen, and then calling that a story, which I think is totally on the money.

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I love the contrast between the actors and Cage in that picture.

Played a couple of hours this evening it's in co-op, and it's not too bad.

The app has worked flawlessly so far, though I'd like to be able to turn off the tablet/multitask when not controlling your character. Decent looking game, even if some of the characters are stiff. No real gameplay to speak of; dualshock controls are essentially moving the right analog stick whereas the tablet requires pressing the screen before sliding down. Slowly paced, just like Heavy Rain, but there have been some intriguing elements of the story. I'd imagine playing on your lonesome would lessen the experience somewhat; watching someone miss QTEs is funny, but controlling both characters yourself, along with being unable to fail, would probably get tiresome much faster.

Nothing particularly memorable so far, but fine for a quick rental over the weekend.

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