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Euro 2012: The Thread


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Of course. Merely pointing out that dismissing them as being easier than France is a bit stupid.

Based on the fact that we didn't beat them in, say, 1968? That we haven't beaten them in a competitive match in seven attempts doesn't mean a thing, as I'm sure you're intelligent enough to be aware of. Friendly or not, we beat them six months ago. If you're looking at historic results I'd say that's the one that's relevant, considering that's the one that's more likely to reflect the current squads and form, if any match is.

I don't think anyone's "dismissing" Sweden and we can obviously lose that game very easily, but to claim they're a tougher challenge than France based on irrelevant matches from years ago is silly.

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Quoted from the Football Thread the other week...

The England band are the worst thing to happen to football.

I really fucking hate them.

Well you'll certainly be happy with tonight's news... I just read this in the local paper up here:

http://www.thestar.c...netsk-1-4634462

Euro 2012: Sheffield Wednesday’s England band are banned in Donetsk

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Patriotic. The official England band playing at an event back home in Sheffield.

SPONSORS Pukka Pies are to make an official protest to UEFA after the England band - featuring Sheffield Wednesday fans - was refused entry into tonight’s Euro 2012 encounter with France in Donetsk, writes Graham Walker.

The band have travelled 2,500 miles by road to get to Ukraine for tonight’s game.

But despite assurances from the Football Association and UEFA, the band were not allowed to bring their instruments into the Donbass Arena.

The England band have been a feature of Three Lions games for the past two decades and estimate they have been present for over 300 consecutive matches.

Tonight is the first time they have been refused entry to a game and no reason was given for the decision.

The band were allowed entry once their instruments had been confiscated and the authorities said they will be returned after the final whistle.

“We are going to make an official protest about this matter,” said a spokesman for Pukka Pies, who are sponsors of the band.

“There were no grounds for taking this disgraceful action, which is over-zealous in the extreme.

“Needless to say, we intend the band to be back in its rightful place by the time we get to Kiev for the Sweden game on Friday.”

The England Band play in support of the England football team at home and away and have done since 1996.

Formed in 1993 at their club, Sheffield Wednesday, they were selected to play for England three years later and have followed the national team at home and away ever since.

The incredible journey the band has taken includes visiting more than 65 different countries, several World Cup and European tournaments and all the classic England games of recent times.

Driven by the passion and pride that all England fans feel, the England Band have an overwhelming desire, together with the fans, to create the best support in the world.

Although unpopular amongst many rival fans they have released several records and have been invited to regularly attend England matches.

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Serves the one tuned cunts right. They have been the England band for almost 20 years and they still only know how to play The Great Escape. Maybe the Ukrainians were as sick of hearing it as everybody else is.

Admittedly they could do with expanding their repertoire but the atmosphere was dead yesterday.

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England: In the opening round of Euro 2012 games, England had the fewest shots (5), fewest shots on target (1) & 2nd lowest possession (35%)

If we beat Sweden - and even if we do it playing something like we did yesterday - Hodgson has worked wonders with a largely mediocre team.

Gerrard in particular was excellent yesterday. He's been a figure of fun for a long time for being positionally poor but he made more blocks and tackles than Parker yesterday and was rarely out of position. He also played some great passes. If he can keep this up then we won't hear much pining for Carrick.

Rooney returning won't transform the team into one that suddenly starts playing well. It will be largely the same but with an injection of class, provided he hasn’t been sleeping with 70 year olds again and his Dad has been good.

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The problem I guess is that Parker looked absolutely fucked towards the end yesterday. It seems unrealistic to expect him to keep being wheeled out and performing game after game, and there's no reasonable alternative on the bench. Henderson? Jones? Meh.

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They can't comfortably keep possession while carrying an attacking threat. They can't consistently counter-attack effectively. Individually the players are technically deficient compared to Germany and Spain (and others) and having a couple (?) of world-class players doesn't make up for that. They can't play 4-3-3 due to a lack of talent and tactial discipline throughout the team. I could go on.

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But the England squad contains 4 Champions League winners, plenty of players with experience of winning at least one title and almost a whole eleven of players who have moved for big money.

They might not be a top team but why are Sweden, Czech Republic or Greece any better? Even Portugal... Cristiano Ronaldo aside, they're not better than England man for man.

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4-3-3 is old hat. It is all about the 3-5-2 now, which England could actually possibly pull off in the future, and if Carrick had gone and Cahill not been injured they'd have the squad to do it right now.

But they don't...

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Genuine question - why are England considered mediocre?

Because that is how successive managers (and a number of players) have made us look. If you look at the team that was sent out yesterday it was not remotely mediocre, PL and CL winners in 5 positions, previous CL and league winners in another couple

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Genuine question - why are England considered mediocre?

It's a good question because if you look at each England player in turn they could do a job in most sides, like they do every week. The difference is that they have foreign players around them who are better at dictating the game and retaining posession under pressure. What England have in running and hard work they lack in flair and imagination.

Probably the perfect example is Barry-Toure.

A few players are coming through that may buck this trend. Basically I'm in love with Wilshere.

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