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5 minutes ago, alex3d said:

 

Sorry if it has been mentioned, but what do you mean by "you saw"? In YT videos / reviews?

That's one hell of a list :( As I wrote earlier, why not just delaying the game for 4 or 8 more weeks? Surely that's better than having such a buggy launch (especially after a 7 year development phase, no one cares about four more weeks, right?)? I do not understand it.

its money on marketing. delaying increases marketing expenditures. they have done that too many times. the economics just don't work after a while. maybe they should have released it in September when they had planned as a beta or something. but I guess the game got too big on them. to recover the costs and turn a profit they need the money associated with a huge tripple A release. working with COVID must not have been easy either. what is the deal with transphobia can someone summarise what happened?

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2 minutes ago, Broker said:


There’s a lot of levels to disliking something, it’s not a binary. I like Deus Ex and love cyberpunk, I’m desperate to play a game in that style. But I thought Witcher 3 was shite and that the developers seem like scumbags. I’m keeping an eye on it in case the feedback sounds like something it would be worth trying, but am basically assuming that it won’t be something I enjoy. And despite that being my stance, I have just as much right as the insane zealots who decided it was a 10/10 years ago to post in and read this thread.

 

If you can’t handle hearing any negativity or contrasting opinions about a game then I’m sure there’s lots of places online you could go to read nothing but praise and hype. Unfortunately for you this place has a variety of opinions and ideas, but I’m sure just reading IGN and watching Easy Allies reviews would give you the reinforcement with no danger of being challenged that you’re craving. Or just put everyone except Talk Show Host on ignore.

 

why did CDPR seem like scumbags?

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12 minutes ago, Clipper said:

of course... it is the nature of the beast

 

but you know this, as the excellent comedy poster who made the mistake of rising to power and being instrumental in getting rid of negs :D Schadenfreude Cat more like

 

I regret it all.

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2 minutes ago, Broker said:

If you can’t handle hearing any negativity or contrasting opinions about a game then I’m sure there’s lots of places online you could go to read nothing but praise and hype. Unfortunately for you this place has a variety of opinions and ideas, but I’m sure just reading IGN and watching Easy Allies reviews would give you the reinforcement with no danger of being challenged that you’re craving. Or just put everyone except Talk Show Host on ignore.

 

Give it a fucking rest mate. There's a world of difference from people posting well argued criticisms compared to the insane frothy-mouthed garbage people like you spew out on a weekly basis. Your posts in the Last of Us 2 thread leading up to release were an embarrassment, before you did a complete 180 praising the games LGBT and trans representation. Gee, maybe if you waited till the game was out you wouldn't have looked quite like a fucking giant tool, would you?

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4 minutes ago, Oz said:

 

why did CDPR seem like scumbags?


They promised their developers wouldn’t crunch before forcing them into crunch and then it turned out they’d actually been forcing them to crunch the whole time and the new crunch is extra crunch on top of the hidden crunch. 
 

They’ve had multiple issues where they’ve said things that might be seen as transphobic but it happening multiple times seems suspect.

 

I felt that Witcher 3 relied on quite a lot of sexist tropes and had a slightly misogynistic tone. I also found the writing didn’t have the maturity to appropriately cover the more serious themes it wanted to tackle.

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5 minutes ago, Lovelyman said:

Says the guy who literally posted nonsense to have a go at me!

 

I was hoping it would be a good game. I almost got into the Witcher but the crappy combat coming from Bloodborne put me off. That and the endless crafting material. But I can see that I missed out on a good game underneath my issues. 

 

What is pretty clear is that this game is broken, with ok combat and some ridiculous claims about being the first game ever to manage something that noone can quantify and so therefore if you're not totally dying to play it now you're trolling?

 

Is that about it?

Aye I posted nonsense towards you chap... No bother.

 

I don't think you are trolling either for what it is worth. I genuinely believe you dislike the game, and you are projecting that clear as day.

 

Anyway happy days, at least we can agree that The Witcher 3s combat is pap. I will play CP on Thursday and hopefully enjoy it. I am approaching it with a pretty neutral take that it's probably gonna be a mess in areas, and fantastic in others. That is enough for me. 

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3 minutes ago, Broker said:


They promised their developers wouldn’t crunch before forcing them into crunch and then it turned out they’d actually been forcing them to crunch the whole time and the new crunch is extra crunch on top of the hidden crunch. 
 

They’ve had multiple issues where they’ve said things that might be seen as transphobic but it happening multiple times seems suspect.

 

I felt that Witcher 3 relied on quite a lot of sexist tropes and had a slightly misogynistic tone. I also found the writing didn’t have the maturity to appropriately cover the more serious themes it wanted to tackle.


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1 minute ago, SuperCapes said:

Aye I posted nonsense towards you chap... No bother.

 

I don't think you are trolling either for what it is worth. I genuinely believe you dislike the game, and you are projecting that clear as day.

 

Anyway happy days, at least we can agree that The Witcher 3s combat is pap. I will play CP on Thursday and hopefully enjoy it. I am approaching it with a pretty neutral take that it's probably gonna be a mess in areas, and fantastic in others. That is enough for me. 

I can't dislike it, I haven't played it. But I don't think it looks all that. Happy to be proven wrong. FWIW I played LoU2 for about 15-20 hrs before getting bored. 

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Just now, Lying Cat said:

 

Come on man, people criticising the marketing practices of a company based on the marketing they've done is absolutely not the same as criticising a game you've not played. I get that you're really into this game and all that, but use some common sense.

 

 

He might be a member of the Common Sense Group!

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I have deciphered the three main groups of people and how they should progress over launch of the game for best enjoyment of those involved.

 

1: Poop and won't play - these are the guys who want to poop on the game saying it is poop but won't buy or play it but will be on a mission to ensure others do the same or at least don't enjoy it as much

 

2: Poop and will hate it but will continue to play it and keep hating it more and more - this windmilling will be very entertaining for the other two groups to enjoy. At one point someone will be unwise to say "why don't you trade/stop playing?" which will invite quite the tirade

 

3: Those who enjoy it despite the bugs/flaws but any genuine enthusiasm will be lost in the sea of 1 and 2 or heavily debated to failure.

 

There will be some minor genuine and well thought of criticism inbetween.

 

I will be 4: Avoid the thread like the plague upon release but enjoying the lols for now

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5 minutes ago, Lying Cat said:

 

Come on man, people criticising the marketing practices of a company based on the marketing they've done is absolutely not the same as criticising a game you've not played. I get that you're really into this game and all that, but use some common sense.

 

 


My comment was more of a general comment about people here being negative about the game’s quality without having played it. Quoting was a bit out of context so apologies for any confusion. With that said though I don’t think I’m way “into” the game, I’m just mentioning  many reviews which think the game is great despite its bugs. 

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6 minutes ago, Uzi said:

I have deciphered the three main groups of people and how they should progress over launch of the game for best enjoyment of those involved.

 

1: Poop and won't play - these are the guys who want to poop on the game saying it is poop but won't buy or play it but will be on a mission to ensure others do the same or at least don't enjoy it as much

 

2: Poop and will hate it but will continue to play it and keep hating it more and more - this windmilling will be very entertaining for the other two groups to enjoy. At one point someone will be unwise to say "why don't you trade/stop playing?" which will invite quite the tirade

 

3: Those who enjoy it despite the bugs/flaws but any genuine enthusiasm will be lost in the sea of 1 and 2 or heavily debated to failure.

 

There will be some minor genuine and well thought of criticism inbetween.

 

I will be 4: Avoid the thread like the plague upon release but enjoying the lols for now

Are you going to play the game?

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I absolutely have no doubts I’ll enjoy the game. I’ve loved and enjoyed all CDPR’s previous output and I’m a huge fan of the genre.

 

If there are some really major bugs that bugger up the game, then I’ll most likely act like a grown up (according to the law I apparently am one now) and just wait until they get sorted out and play something else.

 

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12 minutes ago, Down by Law said:

 

Give it a fucking rest mate. There's a world of difference from people posting well argued criticisms compared to the insane frothy-mouthed garbage people like you spew out on a weekly basis. Your posts in the Last of Us 2 thread leading up to release were an embarrassment, before you did a complete 180 praising the games LGBT and trans representation. Gee, maybe if you waited till the game was out you wouldn't have looked quite like a fucking giant tool, would you?


There’s also a major difference between thoughtful critique and people who haven’t played a game desperately parroting anything they can find about how wonderful it is whilst s blindly ignoring criticism or throwing about playground insults because they’re so fragile that they can’t handle the idea that everyone isn’t as excited as them about a new game.

 

I was pretty clear in the last of us thread that I thought the story would be good, which when I watched a play through it was. I was also pretty consistent that in terms of gameplay Naughty Dog games are generic shite for idiots, and watching the whole game it absolutely was. That thread had the exact same posters who are desperate to have their preconceived ideas about a game they had already paid for because they’re suckers for expensive marketing validated. And the exact same boring arguments made about how if people aren’t going to join in with the hype train they’re ruining the fun and should go away.
 

I’m sure there’s plenty of places online that have childish positivity about anything expensive like you’re looking for. The discussion here is more varied. Why not do yourself a favour and go read the Twitter comments on the latest trailer? 

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What I don't get about this thread (and the way discussion works here in general) is why some people are so keen on gatekeeping what can/can't be discussed.  

 

It's daft. 

 

Scroll on by the stuff you don't want to read or get involved with, surely?

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12 minutes ago, Broker said:


There’s also a major difference between thoughtful critique and people who haven’t played a game desperately parroting anything they can find about how wonderful it is whilst s blindly ignoring criticism or throwing about playground insults because they’re so fragile that they can’t handle the idea that everyone isn’t as excited as them about a new game.

 

 

Yeah, totally agree but i look through the thread and I don't see anyone blindly telling us how good it is other than one chap whose actually played it. I do see the usual suspects saying how fucking shit it looks and how the reviewers have been paid off though :rolleyes:

 

12 minutes ago, Broker said:

I was pretty clear in the last of us thread that I thought the story would be good, which when I watched a play through it was. I was also pretty consistent that in terms of gameplay Naughty Dog games are generic shite for idiots, and watching the whole game it absolutely was. 

 

'generic shit for Idiots' - that some of that fine nuanced, thoughtful critique you were on about earlier, i assume? LOL

 

12 minutes ago, Broker said:

I’m sure there’s plenty of places online that have childish positivity about anything expensive like you’re looking for. The discussion here is more varied. Why not do yourself a favour and go read the Twitter comments on the latest trailer? 

 

Twitter? I'm 35 years old ! :lol:

 

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4 minutes ago, robdood said:

What I don't get about this thread (and the way discussion works here in general) is why some people are so keen on gatekeeping what can/can't be discussed.  

 

It's daft. 

 

Scroll on by the stuff you don't want to read or get involved with, surely?

I realise there's a bit of irony here as I'm also now gatekeeping, lol. 

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