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7 hours ago, Tourist said:

I'm fully expecting a Doctor Whoesque Big Bad Wolf ending that fails to resolve about 90% of the plot strands that the writer(s) threw in when they were making things up as they went along back in the mists of the early series. Like, what was the point of the the wolves Wolves were supposed to just represent the stark kids. Aryas wolf is a pack leader badass, Robbs wolf was strong and fearsome but was shot when it had no chance to do anything about it, Brans wolf was sacrificed for the greater good etc. the invincible world-breaking shadow things These things were tools for the Lord of light to have his prophet Azor Ahai (who at the time Melissandre thought was Stannis) to be in the best place to fulfil the prophecy and beat back the undead. Things changed in season 6 and now Melissandre thinks Jon is Azor Ahai. invincible world-breaking faceless assassins narrative tool to help Arya become a badass. , those largely pointless women with whips and spears and stuff This is the only one I'm not that clear on but all the sand snakes are dead anyway, Euron finished the last of them. , the abysmal bit with the wavy sausage guy, Think you mean Ramsey Bolton. If so his storyline was wrapped up at the Battle of the Bastards. the sudden appearance and subsequent disappearance of banking cartels etc. etc.? The crown of Westeros owed a fuck load of money to the Iron Bank because Robert was such a shit king and Cersei an even worse Ruler/Queen. In Season 7 Cersei spoke to one of the reps of the bank and basically told them calling in a loan would be stupid right now during a war and if Cersei was to win she'd pay off all the crowns debts. I think she's used the money gotten from the Tyrells plus another loan from the bank to purchase the golden company (elephantless mercenaries).

 

 

Most of these things are resolved. You could argue badly but I don't think the last few episodes needs to wrap them up. I tried to answer them in bold. 

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Exactly. I do think the show's editing is to blame for the confusion, but the shadow demon was never meant as a big game changing super weapon like the dragons. It was a single one-off example of the power of kings blood, just like the leeches.

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It's not the shows editing, its people not paying attention, or understandably, forgetting things.

 

They showed us the shadow baby as a dramatic reveal, then they explained its limitations. It wouldn't make sense in terms of drama or character to do this in a different order. For me, anyway.

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7 hours ago, Delargey said:

It's not the shows editing, its people not paying attention, or understandably, forgetting things.

 

They showed us the shadow baby as a dramatic reveal, then they explained its limitations. It wouldn't make sense in terms of drama or character to do this in a different order. For me, anyway. 

I'm referring particularly to the build up beforehand. Melisindre made it sound significant that she was going to give Stannis a son, and with the birth scene being the final scene of an episode, it made it look like much more of a big deal, like this was going to be a new character or something.

 

Later episodes did clearly lay out the limitations afterwards, but I think that's the wrong order to do such things.

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47 minutes ago, Straps said:

WTF! Was season one years ago? I thought it was like... 6 months?

 

6 months in the show....? It takes weeks and months to travel anywhere, and a load of dragons and wolves have grown to near adult size. Try around 5 years at least. 

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On 25/04/2019 at 02:58, Tourist said:

I'm fully expecting a Doctor Whoesque Big Bad Wolf ending that fails to resolve about 90% of the plot strands that the writer(s) threw in when they were making things up as they went along back in the mists of the early series. Like, what was the point of the the wolves, the invincible world-breaking shadow things, the invincible world-breaking faceless assassins, those largely pointless women with whips and spears and stuff, the abysmal bit with the wavy sausage guy, the sudden appearance and subsequent disappearance of banking cartels etc. etc.?

 

 

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This explains rather a lot, concerning TLJ thread. 

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What books?

 

2 hours ago, Benny said:

Just caught up.

 

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Tormund championing the cause of feminism was a particular highlight.

 

"Fuck tradition."

 

 

I think the whole point of the Wildlings is to question to validity of the patriarchal society and its laws of primogeniture etc. GRRM kind of undercuts this by making it such a big deal that Jon Snow isn't a bastard I guess.

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1 hour ago, scottcr said:

Just been reminding myself of where the books are at this point - I'd kinda forgotten just how *completely* different they are from the show now.  

 

Here was me thinking it was common knowledge that the show overtook the books years ago. 

 

EDIT Oh yeah - what bloody books???

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7 minutes ago, Chadruharazzeb said:

 

Here was me thinking it was common knowledge that the show overtook the books years ago. 

 

EDIT Oh yeah - what bloody books???

 

it's not just overtaken - it's just completely different.

 



Varys kills Kevan Lannister is the big cliff hanger in the last book

Brienne was hung by Lady Stoneheart but seems to have been cut down and freed - but seems to be leading Jaime into a trap

Podrick is probably dead :(

... and dont' even start on Griff, Jon Connington and the Golden Company.

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36 minutes ago, scottcr said:

 

it's not just overtaken - it's just completely different.

 

 

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Varys kills Kevan Lannister is the big cliff hanger in the last book

Brienne was hung by Lady Stoneheart but seems to have been cut down and freed - but seems to be leading Jaime into a trap

Podrick is probably dead :(

... and dont' even start on Griff, Jon Connington and the Golden Company.
 

 

When people wonder how Dorne could be any worse than what was shown, mention Darkstar, he of the night...

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3 hours ago, scottcr said:

 

it's not just overtaken - it's just completely different.

 

 

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Varys kills Kevan Lannister is the big cliff hanger in the last book

Brienne was hung by Lady Stoneheart but seems to have been cut down and freed - but seems to be leading Jaime into a trap

Podrick is probably dead :(

... and dont' even start on Griff, Jon Connington and the Golden Company.
 

 

 

Also, and more importantly,

Spoiler

4 of the 6 direwolves are still alive and going around being generally fucking awesome!

 

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