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[Headache]

1 minute ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

It will probably be the same as before with Arya when she tried to leave the Faceless Posse - we all think the writers are cooking up some clever twist. But in the end it turns out that no, what you saw and all the stupid/badly written bits are literally what happened. The thing between Sansa, Arya, and Goldfinger feels very forced and stilted, but given the current quality of the writing it's likely to be just that - subpar writing. No twist. I hope I'm wrong about that of course.

 

I'd agree. Arya has gone home, and like so many people do, they revert back to their childhood selves around their family. Arya's just picking up her grudge with Sansa from where she left it in season one. Why is anyone's guess, you'd think that with all the crazy shit going down in Westeros there'd be more important things on her mind. But nope, she's focusing all her bitterness and anger on her sister, jealous that Sansa seems to have become the lady she always wanted to be (in spite of what Arya said). It's stupid, but I think it's actually quite a believable storyline, like I can believe Arya would be that petty and bitchy. Sabotaging her own family's re-securing of the north because of her own insecurity, feeling smaller and worse than her big sister. 

[PopeSmokesDope]

1 hour ago, Dinobot said:

I've not caught up reading here yet - have the chains been explained? The night king is the maker of chains?

 

I.e. walked hundreds of miles, chains unseen, then there are massive chains?

 

Its a large frozen lake..  there's a dock right next to where the chains are....

 

 

[Daley]

There's definitely a twist coming. I refuse to believe they will make the Stark girls (especially Arya) act so stupidly after all they have been through.

 

The only question I have is they need the Knights of the Vale or whatever they are called so they can't just kill Littlefinger and pretend that will be fine with everyone can they?

 

 

[Mr. Gerbik]

3 minutes ago, Daley said:

There's definitely a twist coming. I refuse to believe they will make the Stark girls (especially Arya) act so stupidly after all they have been through.

 

The only question I have is they need the Knights of the Vale or whatever they are called so they can't just kill Littlefinger and pretend that will be fine with everyone can they?

 

 

If there's no twist, then they're flushing 5 seasons worth of character development down the toilet. But if they do kill Stickyfingaz, Arya could simply replace him. Hopefully she's good at doing accents! And loads of them at the same time at that.

[Daley]

Yea all it would have taken this week was a

 

"Where did you get that?"

"Littlefinger got it off the maester."

 

for them to realise what was going on.

 

Also I can't believe Aidan Gillen is still getting away with this "accent", he sounds like he's had a stroke.

[NexivRed]

1 hour ago, frumious said:

 

Should have been made of skellingtons, a great big undead chain of skellingtons and zombies dangling into the lake.

 

You say skellingtons 

[therearerules]

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but I think Maisie Williams' acting has just got worse. The plot makes sense, and either of them suddenly having audience levels of knowledge and empathy with each other's past would be a proper trope. The Martha trope.

[NexivRed]

1 hour ago, sir shrew said:

I don't think Benioff and Weiss are very smart, and they were clearly very arrogant in valuing their own direction for the end of the series rather than arranging GRRM to oversee it or find adequate writers to substitute him and negotiate more time with HBO.

 

When I think of Benioff & Weiss' writing ability, I think of their episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, where an entire subplot and payoff is stolen from The Simpsons - the one where Homer gets his arm stuck in a vending machine, and it turns out he was holding on to the can - there is no way they didn't intentionally lift it.

 

100% agree with this. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Daley said:

As the Starks say, Whinging is Coming.

 

 

 

This needs more love. 

[Wickedkitten]

Replace GRRM for what though? He didn't have anything to do with season six either aside from telling them which direction to go in

[Mr Cochese]

Replace him with a big pile of sausages with a stupid hat on top, of course.

[Delargey]

I think everyone over estimates GRRMs imput - his last book two books had terrible pacing issues. GRRM has given them the guide for the series, although the show has changed it's going to be following GRRMs overall story arcs.

[The Fox]

59 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

 

Deadpool for the S7 finale:

 

 

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Dany and Littlefinger

 

 

 

 

I'm going with

 

Jorah and The Mountain (again)

[The Fox]

7 minutes ago, Delargey said:

I think everyone over estimates GRRMs imput - his last book two books had terrible pacing issues. GRRM has given them the guide for the series, although the show has changed it's going to be following GRRMs overall story arcs.

 

AFFC and ADWD are largely very boring, but I think had he finished the series and we were still getting B&W adapting the text for TV, rather than going pretty much entirely in their own direction, we probably wouldn't be getting such frequent instances of characters doing really illogical or out-of-character stuff in service of the plot. It rarely used to happen whereas in S6 and even more so in S7 it's been a pretty common issue, compounded by B&W's decision to try and wrap it all up quicker than HBO ideally wanted to.

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[Benny]

And the Dark Souls fans would be tugging themselves off.

[Benny]

1 minute ago, abc said:

Talking point:

 

Would Game of Thrones have been improved by having Brian Blessed in it?

 

Jon Snow's alive?!

[Silent Runner]

11 minutes ago, The Fox said:

 

I'm going with

 

 

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Jorah and The Mountain (again)

 

 

Spoiler

 

They need a death of some substance to end this season - I don't think Jorah or Zombie Mountain would be enough.

 

My picks: Jon, Littlefinger or Varys. Maybe Tyrion.
Wildcard: Bran.

 

 

[PopeSmokesDope]

I would say who I think, but seeing as I know what happens it's a bit pointless!

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[frumious]

15 minutes ago, abc said:

 

That would have actually made sense, and the "shut up about minor details" people would have been satisfied by the perceived coolness factor.

 

Edit: thinking about it, actually, no it wouldn't have made sense. Zombies would snap in two/snap apart when pulling such a weight.

 

They do seem a bit fragile, depending on plot demands.  Alternatively, just clear the ice near the shore and then just saunter down en masse and roll him out, no need to lift straight up out of a hole.

 

I'm in danger of apparently caring about The Chains now, but I really don't!  

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[Fry Crayola]

I don't think the chains would have got much of a mention if the more legitimate grievances with the plot, the repeated deus ex machina, and out of character behaviour weren't present. It's all a bit "and another thing...!" when really it's nothing of note.

[Alan Stock]

I read that article that Kerraig linked to, and was pretty horrified to learn that the show writers pretty much came up with the Magnificent Seven mission themselves. They struggled to come up with some good reason to get these characters together to go beyond the wall, which is why this plot thread is based on such a poor premise. Don't get me wrong, I love the fact they teamed up some of the best heroes in the story but the mission itself was pretty dumb. Now I know it probably wasn't based on RR Martins plot points at all - he probably just had said that Dany ends up over the wall for some reason and loses a dragon to the Night King. I was under the impression that most of the major plot points all came from Martin, but it seems his story is full of holes and the writers have struggled to take characters and fill in plot points with quality up to Martin's standards. This is a big disappointment and it makes me worry about next season too - although you'd hope that with so much major plot left to cover, Martin should have done a pretty good job of thinking out where the story is heading and the fates of all the characters.

 

It's a real shame that Martin got lost in his own bewildering web of characters and subplots in the last few books, and then lost focus and interest in the series leaving the TV show to flounder like this. Now we get the major plot points in the show, which is cool, but without the Martin writing flair and the little details and twists he adds. And when he finally finishes the books, even if they are as good as his first books, we'll already know how the story plays out unless he radically changes the fates of characters when revisiting it. Ah well, it's still a great show, I just mourn for how much better it could have been if Martin had managed to conclude the story properly.

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[Fletch]

Even giving them a more defendable position than a bloody frozen pond would have given the scene more credibility, how about an old rangers hut or maybe back to the fist of the first men although that may have been too deep into the north for Gendry to super sprint it back. Just a location that you could think yeah I can see they could survive a few days while waiting for Dany.

[Radish]

51 minutes ago, Delargey said:

I think everyone over estimates GRRMs imput - his last book two books had terrible pacing issues. GRRM has given them the guide for the series, although the show has changed it's going to be following GRRMs overall story arcs.

 

I think that's being hugely unfair to GRRM. He built this world and wrote these characters. Say what you will about the endless travelling etc, but GRRM was committed to maintaining the worlds logic and rules and the TV series is sorely lacking in that area now. Yes, the early seasons were excellent adaptations but that's all they were. It's pretty clear now that GRRM is out of the picture and Benioff and Weiss are having to create rather than adapt that their work isn't a patch on his.

[Alan Stock]

I don't really envy them having to fill in plot points for someone else's story, but then again that is their job...

 

I think there are better ways they could have done it. An alternate reason for the Magnificent Seven to band up would be to have Bran issue a quest for something beyond the wall, maybe to do with the Children of the Forest. Something that should affect the end-game and help against the Night King. That would also give Bran some more purpose this season. 

 

Yes, have Dany defending the wall in order to lose the dragon. Or maybe she falls for Jon, or he convinces her a bit earlier about the wights and she flies off on a scouting mission against Tyrion's wishes to see the undead army with her own eyes, or to make a preemptive attack on them, then loses the dragon. To be honest I don't really mind the rescue scenario either, it's just the way it was presented as the last minute rescue and the poor conveyance of the passing of time. If the Magnificent Seven were doing a more plausible quest then I'd be happier with it. It does make sense that she'd go off on a rescue mission, after all, she has feels for Jon and Jorah and she is impulsive and restless at the moment. It was just poorly realised in hindsight, though during the moment it's cool.

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[Wickedkitten]

1 hour ago, sir shrew said:

They didn't have to justify Dany flying North of the wall at all. Have the Night King come South and Dany lose a dragon defending Winterfell.

 

 

Or just have her take Jon at his word instead of all of this Ben D Knee bollocks