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23 minutes ago, Moz said:

 

Everyone in Dany's entourage is besotted with her, including loads of useful civilians I would imagine. Either that or she teleports to Marks and Sparks every now and again.

 

The wine mostly comes from Dorne, they've mentioned it a lot of times. If not, characters usually grimace when they swallow and say "fucking hell mate you ought to get wine from Dorne instead".

 

Bran the builder built Winterfell, I think they talk about it in episode 1.

 

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Why didn't they both get on Benjen's horse and ride off?

Why did John hang about long enough to let the dragon get killed in order to kill a couple of easily reanimated wights?

Why didn't Dany just fly them all beyond in the wall overnight on a dragon to find a wight in the first place?

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1. Because Benjen can't cross the wall with John. He is an undead. Possibly it would also be too heavy with both of them on top. It was a nice send off to a character that should have been used much more :(.

2. John made a mistake because he couldn't make a decision. You can see that he wants to go for the NK himself, as Beric says, but he is not certain. He is making the same mistake as he did with his brother Rickon, he is being too emotional. When everyone is trying to escape on the dragon he tries to sacrifice himself so they can get away, it is one of the reasons that Dany looks at him the way she does and probably sparks some feelings. 

3. Because she didn't know what to expect. You don't bring your major weapons to a territory you don't know, against an enemy you have no idea about, risking yourself and your weapon in the process while you have another going, one which you just made a victory after two bitter losses. We all saw what happened when she had to intervene to save them, she lost a dragon. 

 

 

I can't say that they are perfect explanations but they make some sense in the grand scheme of things to me. The biggest problem is that the speed of things -and some stupid winterfell plots- haven't allowed more space for the deeper stuff to shine better.

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28 minutes ago, Moz said:

 

Everyone in Dany's entourage is besotted with her, including loads of useful civilians I would imagine. Either that or she teleports to Marks and Sparks every now and again.

 

The wine mostly comes from Dorne, they've mentioned it a lot of times. If not, characters usually grimace when they swallow and say "fucking hell mate you ought to get wine from Dorne instead".

 

Bran the builder built Winterfell, I think they talk about it in episode 1.

 

The real question is...

 

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Why didn't they both get on Benjen's horse and ride off?

Why did John hang about long enough to let the dragon get killed in order to kill a couple of easily reanimated wights?

Why didn't Dany just fly them all beyond in the wall overnight on a dragon to find a wight in the first place?

etc

 

 

 

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Why not aim straight for the Knight King while he was just sitting on horseback ?

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I always thought they had to be raised rather than just just turn.

 

As per that awesome final scene in Hardholme.

 

Also in the same episode where they mention them being turned by Walkers.

 

Otherwise you could have just found yourself some bellend who needs hanging, hang him beyond the wall. Bish bosh, job done, lets all go for a pint.

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I really enjoyed the spectacle of this episode but I can understand how people are beginning to pick a little.

 

A few things would have made a bit more sense with some subtle tweaks.

 

Let's say the basis of this season was both Daenerys and Cersei saying to Jon Snow "yea alright mate, dead men, pull the other one" while continuing to kick the shit out of each other then boom that gives Jon greater motivation to head north to get one rather than this storyline which is essentially him convincing everyone "hey, let's try this" to show Cersei and get them all to gang up. If Jon was isolated then he would have had no choice but to head north. (Obviously means no dragon rescue of course...)

 

The reason the magic carpeting all over the place is jarring is because it took forever to get anywhere in previous years. I don't care though, it really did feel like it took forever for people to get anywhere in the past. There was some amazing character development on those journeys though to be fair but at times you just wanted them to get on with it.

 

I am happy to let things go like giant chains and Jon having to continue hacking away when his Uber had arrived but again it wasn't handled very well, again a subtle change to make it look like he was protecting the dragon/Dany and fighting back the hordes would have made sense rather this which seemed to be him having a little hot-headed "charge!" moment. However I need to watch that again, maybe he was just caught out when fighting them back.

 

Anyway, I am so invested in the show I was just like OMG for the whole episode.

 

EDIT: Also as it seems the whole series' script has leaked please beware when posting "theories"...

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4 minutes ago, NexivRed said:

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why every fucker is still using spoiler tags??

 

 

I always do as the first post is a little vague now the show airs at 2am on a Monday. 

 

In TV threads please use spoilers up until 8pm the day after first transmission

 

Reads like spoilers until 8pm Tuesday to me..

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30 minutes ago, Steely said:

I always thought they had to be raised rather than just just turn.

 

As per that awesome final scene in Hardholme.

 

Also in the same episode where they mention them being turned by Walkers.

 

Otherwise you could have just found yourself some bellend who needs hanging, hang him beyond the wall. Bish bosh, job done, lets all go for a pint.

 

The bit at Hardhome was pretty much NK doing Shock and Awe tactics by bringing back everyone's loved ones in one go whilst they are watching him do it. He's all about the spectacle 

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24 minutes ago, Alask said:

 

I always do as the first post is a little vague now the show airs at 2am on a Monday. 

 

In TV threads please use spoilers up until 8pm the day after first transmission

 

Reads like spoilers until 8pm Tuesday to me..

 

The rules for the Film/TV folder are spoilers tags until 8pm the day after first transmission which is technically Monday 8pm as it airs in the US on Sunday night. However the first UK showing is 9pm (although now its broadcast at 2am too) but good if people can keep spoiler tags until 9pm at least.

 

However if it keeps leaking all the time then I don't know WTF is going on. I guess just be careful and use a quick note to explain what you are revealing in your spoiler (Episode 6/theory/script leak/nudes). As I say i'm a bit militant with GoT spoilers, I like to go in fresh.

 

I don't know. Just be careful.

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Just now, Daley said:

 

The rules for the Film/TV thread are spoilers tags until 8pm the day after first transmission which is technically Monday 8pm as it airs in the US on Sunday night. However the first UK showing is 9pm so good if people can keep spoiler tags until then at least.

 

However if it keeps leaking all the time then I don't know WTF is going on. I guess just be careful and use a quick note to explain what you are revealing in your spoiler (Episode 6/theory/script leak/nudes). As I say i'm a bit militant with GoT spoilers, I like to go in fresh.

 

I don't know. Just be careful.

 

It airs in the UK on Sky Atlantic at 2am on Mondays

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3 minutes ago, abc said:

 

As someone who did have an issue (though a fairly minor one) with the chain, I actually didn't mind Jon fighting the undead as the dragon waited. He was buying the rest of them some time, and sometimes when defending (if you're not in a static shield-wall etc.), you might move forwards a bit to deal with specific situation (e.g. to hit an enemy who's vulnerable when you can). After all, he only went a few paces forwards - he didn't charge off across the field of battle. And I'm someone who absolutely hates the Hollywood tendency to have everyone charge the enemy.

 

But, as with the chains, this is something that bothers some people while others didn't notice (and are mystified why people are bothered). In both cases, several people have been bothered by it - which to me, means the writing (in the case of the chains) or the direction (in the case of the fight) could perhaps have been better, to avoid these issues. It's not the end of the world, but these are minor problems with the episode.

Yea that's all fair. And this is a bit of a copout but I feel people are a little letdown because most of the other series/episodes were so sharp and well written, very few if any "let's do this for the plot" moments. It's still very good TV. It's just that it follows some of the best TV ever seen.

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Just now, Nobuo's Organ said:

I just assumed the Night King's left ball magically turns into giant chains. Why not that?

 

Again a subtle tweak here might have worked. He previously summoned/resurrected the dead at Hardhome with some Cool Hand Actions*, if they did this that would have meant no giant chains needed but they clearly wanted Dragon Blue Eye Moment.

 

*No idea if this is different to the hands on resurrection, still waiting to get the Official Night King Rulebook.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Daley said:

I have edited my post above. This is hard.

 

Mondays are basically a nightmare. I have to stay off everything. Twitter and Facebook is a shambles for spoilers.

 

Aye, its a hell of a lot worse than it used to be as well because not even news websites like The Independant are safe to read Monday mornings. When the episode leaked last week, they actually had a screenshot of it playing in VLC and gave the filename and even where to download it lol.

 

That's one of the things that is most fun about reaction videos this week, spotting the people in the crowds that have already watched the leak. 

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3 minutes ago, Wickedkitten said:

 

Aye, its a hell of a lot worse than it used to be as well because not even news websites like The Independant are safe to read Monday mornings.

 

Their insistence on putting spoilers in the headlines is maddening as well. Doesn't matter if you put the word SPOILER at the front, it's still impossible not to see the whole sentence at once (which is literally the point of a headline).

 

It's doubly difficult to avoid if you have an app on your phone that aggregates headlines it thinks you will be interested in.

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They used (It's always the fucking Independent) a picture of the dragon burning up the Lannister army a few weeks ago to say that episode had leaked.

 

They also used a picture of a sad looking Daenerys in the snow on twitter when talking about this week's episode yesterday morning. (Like I say I like to go in fresh so this was enough to piss me off)

 

The Independent are the worst at it.

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