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[Hanzo the Razor]

Who cares?

[NexivRed]

6 minutes ago, JPickford said:

The castle was abandoned when they got there.  Any ravens would be dead or already released.

 

I wondered if Melissandre was hiding out there. Dunno if she'd give a shit about feeding the ravens, but it jogged my memory. 

 

Up to season 5. The world is a darker place without Charles Dance

[JPickford]

Instead of a raven she didn't have, Dany should have sent a dragon with massive note tied to its leg. Like a roll of carpet.

[Delargey]

34 minutes ago, JPickford said:

The castle was abandoned when they got there.  Any ravens would be dead or already released.

 

I imagine that when they were preparing there massive invasion they just got some ravens.

[JPickford]

1 minute ago, Delargey said:

 

I imagine that when they were preparing there massive invasion they just got some ravens.

 

You can't just get them.  They have to come from their intended destination.  So to be in a position to  send messages out you'd have to have several ravens from every likely destination which would likely mean hundreds of them.  Dozens at least.  

[Delargey]

Daenerys has a massive army at her command and ruled one of the biggest cities in essos, ravens with news from westeros and essos are common place. She has an alliance with two of the Kingdoms of Westeros,  do you honestly think it was that hard for them to get hold of a dozen or so of them?

 

 

[wev]

Besides, it depends on what type of raven they have in Westeros, are we talking your Common Raven or maybe something a little more exotic like a Chihuahua Raven, but as its Varys it could indeed be a Little Raven

[JPickford]

Yes.   The raven would have to come from (in order to return to) Winterfell.  Not a raven with news from Winterfell that would be a local raven coming home.

 

Ravens are a one way form of communication.

[Camel]

You're all raven mad.

[JPickford]

Aye.  It doesn't matter.

[Boothjan]

Episode 1: page after page of Ed Sheeran debate.

 

Episode 2: Ravengate

 

Can't wait til next week when we debate the feasibility of passing the giant stool in the chamber pots Sam has to empty.

[Chadruharazzeb]

Ravens are clearly a metaphor for email, given how fucking fast they travel. 

[JPickford]

Varys is the fastest.  He can travel whole continents between scenes.

[Wickedkitten]

1 hour ago, JPickford said:

The castle was abandoned when they got there.  Any ravens would be dead or already released.

 

It hadn't been abandoned for long though because Stannis was the last person in it

[JPickford]

Sure but the ravens would need daily food and water.   And most likely Stannis took the ravens with him.

[Timbuktu]

33 minutes ago, Chadruharazzeb said:

Ravens are clearly a metaphor for email, given how fucking fast they travel. 

 

Ravens is a precursor to Twitter surely.  Why write on tiny scrolls and not even on both sides if they didn't have a character limit.

[Delargey]

So they got the ravens from the Dornish. The maester there would have ravens from all over the place.

 

It's not a plot hole.

[JPickford]

It totally is.  Maesters don't give ravens away.  They aren't allowed.

[Delargey]

Why couldn't they have just got them from the Dorne?

[JPickford]

Just!

[TehStu]

I keep some ravens for when slack is down.

[Delargey]

7 minutes ago, JPickford said:

It totally is.  Maesters don't give ravens away.  They aren't allowed.

 

Yes they are.Maesters are sworn to obey the current rulers of the castle they are serving. Once the Sand Snakes took control they would have to follow their orders.

[JPickford]

No they have special control over ravens.  Each raven is extremely precious as it comes from its ultimate destination.  Technically a maester can refuse to send a message if ravens are in short supply.  Although this rarely happens.   But the only way for a maester to lose posession of a raven is to release it with a message.  They don't ever change hands.

[NexivRed]

What am I reading. 

[Delargey]

Maester give ravens to people. Maester Aemon gave the Sam a load of them when they when ranging beyond the wall.

 

I dunno why pickford is getting so hung up on this. 

[JPickford]

1 minute ago, Delargey said:

Maester give of ravens to people. Maester Aemon gave the Sam a load of them when they when ranging beyond the wall.

 

Sam had been 

 

Of course they do.  They give local ravens to people who need to send messages back.   They don't give the distant ravens away. Ever.

[JPickford]

3 minutes ago, NexivRed said:

What am I reading. 

 

Wisdom and bollocks.

[Delargey]

35 minutes ago, JPickford said:

 

Of course they do.  They give local ravens to people who need to send messages back.   They don't give the distant ravens away. Ever.

 

Where are you getting that they don't ever give distant ravens away from?

 

Maybe they took a load of local Dornish ravens to Dragonstone, because if you are going to be in an alliance you need a way to communicate. Then, when they wanted to get a message to winterfell they sent a dornish one back with a note saying "pass it on"

 

 

Maybe the sand snakes just killed the maester and took the ravens, (after torturing him to find out which ravens go where,) because  he was being precious about his bloody ravens.

 

 

 

 

[Hanzo the Razor]

Are you telling me coconuts migrate?

[Gommy]

I can't wait for spin-off show Westeros: Raven logistics and handling