Rllmuk racing wheel thread

[jonathanhoey]

  

8 minutes ago, ph0rce said:

With these stands, can he sit on a couch & still reach everything or will it need an actual chair?

 

 

They're normally fairly upright. Better to use a chair. Ideally one without castors, although I'm sure there's at least one racer here who rolls up a towel and puts it under the wheels of a normal office chair. 

 

You could also consider a Playseat Challenge. This is essentially a glorified lawn chair with designated points to affix a steering wheel and pedals. It's not especially cheap but it does have the advantage that it can be quickly folded up for stowage, with wheel and pedals still attached. It collapses to about the size of a large airline suitcase. 

 

 

[ph0rce]

Hmm, his birthday is at the start of February, so maybe we get him the wheel & pedals for Christmas & then if he really likes using it, he can get a seat for his birthday, otherwise I can see this all getting very expensive, very quickly!

 

I'll keep an eye out on Friday for deals, and if nothing amazing pops up, take a look at second hand options.

 

Thanks for all the replies so far.

[Corranga]

1 hour ago, ph0rce said:

With these stands, can he sit on a couch & still reach everything or will it need an actual chair?

 

I typed a long reply earlier, and then re-read it and it sounded like I was showing off with an awesome setup so I decided not to post it, but something I had mentioned was...

the size of a 10 year old.

 

If we start with the very basics...

You can just buy a wheel and clamp it to a desk.  People use everything from sofas to office chairs with towels behind  them to stop them moving.  Less movement obviously is better.  Inevitably, as you use it, the pedals won't stay still. 

 

If you're handy with the tools, you can make a pedal plate and figure out how to make it stay still, possibly adapting a table or something to host the wheel.

Pedals that don't move will be one of the most desirable things.

 

Next there are some options.

Things like the Wheelstandpro are most compact, but still move a little, and depend a lot on the surface below it (rubber feet to stop it moving), and have the disadvantage of a pole between your legs.  I'd imagine with short child legs, this would be worse.  

 

The wheel stand Shimmy mentioned is nice as it gets around (through?) the legs / pole issue. Takes a bit more space though.

It also gives an upgrade path.  There is a seat mount that can be bolted to it, and of course the weight of a person stops the seat moving.  Be worth checking the measurements on the site for your sons size though as I'd have the same issues on size - can it go small enough?

 

Both the wheelstandpro and the GTOmega need some sort of seating, but again this could be a sofa or whatever.  Actually, for a child, something like they sit on in school is possibly better.  No wheels, so doesn't move, smaller than a sofa.  Obviously you want back support AND the ability to reach the pedals!

 

Next up, the Playseat challenge Jonathan posted above is amazing.  It's not as cheap as a wheel stand, but it's an amazingly competent piece of equipment.  It folds, it's comfy, and it's actually pretty darn stable too (don't be tempted by cheaper copies from the likes of Argos / Amazon, they are much more flexi) but I don't know if it could be adjusted to fit a small person.

 

As for the wheel itself, plenty of folk use and rate the G29 (Playstation) or G920 (Xbox - same kit, different console) is good.  It'll hold some resale value unlike the bungee cord crap and indeed can be used in a proper sim racing setup.  There are still some racing with us on GT7 Monday nights that use them and beat me

 

As others have suggested, if it doesn't bother you, look second hand.  There are plenty who upgrade, so always an abundance of entry level kit around.

 

 

[Shimmyhill]

Plus there will be plenty of stuff on here after Black Friday and we have all upgraded

 

How are you getting on talking yourself into a set of V3’s @Corranga? Im at the stage now that if I can get a pair I will and I’ve accepted the v4 announcement will be immediately after mine are delivered…

[Corranga]

3 hours ago, Shimmyhill said:

Plus there will be plenty of stuff on here after Black Friday and we have all upgraded

 

How are you getting on talking yourself into a set of V3’s @Corranga? Im at the stage now that if I can get a pair I will and I’ve accepted the v4 announcement will be immediately after mine are delivered…

I’m thinking about the inverted ones, I’m drawn in by the idea of longer throw, but I’m also on a strategic away day with work on Friday, which might be strategic in me not purchasing anything!

 

Either way, I don’t think the v4 pedals would be priced as keenly. I was already slightly disappointed to miss the v3 pedals that sold on here in trading a week or 2 ago, or at least that’s what my brain is telling me

[Shimmyhill]

2 hours ago, Corranga said:

I’m thinking about the inverted ones, I’m drawn in by the idea of longer throw, but I’m also on a strategic away day with work on Friday, which might be strategic in me not purchasing anything!

 

Either way, I don’t think the v4 pedals would be priced as keenly. I was already slightly disappointed to miss the v3 pedals that sold on here in trading a week or 2 ago, or at least that’s what my brain is telling me

 

What, i didnt even know someone was selling them - thats gutting, makes trying to get some on Friday even more important somehow…. Ffs

[ph0rce]

Looks like £199 for the G920 is still the best Black Friday deal I can see, unless anyone finds anything different.

 

Had a look on eBay but they are all creeping up towards £200 anyway, and for an extra £20, I might as well get one that's brand new, just in case.

 

If anyone on here is looking to shift one ( or one like it ), feel free to drop me a PM today, otherwise I reckon I'll pick one up for him.

[ph0rce]

On 23/11/2022 at 17:51, Corranga said:

 

I typed a long reply earlier, and then re-read it and it sounded like I was showing off with an awesome setup so I decided not to post it, but something I had mentioned was...

the size of a 10 year old.

 

If we start with the very basics...

You can just buy a wheel and clamp it to a desk.  People use everything from sofas to office chairs with towels behind  them to stop them moving.  Less movement obviously is better.  Inevitably, as you use it, the pedals won't stay still. 

 

If you're handy with the tools, you can make a pedal plate and figure out how to make it stay still, possibly adapting a table or something to host the wheel.

Pedals that don't move will be one of the most desirable things.

 

Next there are some options.

Things like the Wheelstandpro are most compact, but still move a little, and depend a lot on the surface below it (rubber feet to stop it moving), and have the disadvantage of a pole between your legs.  I'd imagine with short child legs, this would be worse.  

 

The wheel stand Shimmy mentioned is nice as it gets around (through?) the legs / pole issue. Takes a bit more space though.

It also gives an upgrade path.  There is a seat mount that can be bolted to it, and of course the weight of a person stops the seat moving.  Be worth checking the measurements on the site for your sons size though as I'd have the same issues on size - can it go small enough?

 

Both the wheelstandpro and the GTOmega need some sort of seating, but again this could be a sofa or whatever.  Actually, for a child, something like they sit on in school is possibly better.  No wheels, so doesn't move, smaller than a sofa.  Obviously you want back support AND the ability to reach the pedals!

 

Next up, the Playseat challenge Jonathan posted above is amazing.  It's not as cheap as a wheel stand, but it's an amazingly competent piece of equipment.  It folds, it's comfy, and it's actually pretty darn stable too (don't be tempted by cheaper copies from the likes of Argos / Amazon, they are much more flexi) but I don't know if it could be adjusted to fit a small person.

 

As for the wheel itself, plenty of folk use and rate the G29 (Playstation) or G920 (Xbox - same kit, different console) is good.  It'll hold some resale value unlike the bungee cord crap and indeed can be used in a proper sim racing setup.  There are still some racing with us on GT7 Monday nights that use them and beat me

 

As others have suggested, if it doesn't bother you, look second hand.  There are plenty who upgrade, so always an abundance of entry level kit around.

 

 

 

Forget to reply to this when I read it but thank you so much for taking the time to write this, it's really helpful.

 

He is very much on the small side of a ten year old as well, compared to the rest of his class so any of the full size seats, he'll probably struggle with. A stand with a chair we buy separately is probably the best solution, as well as the fact that his mum will probably kill me if an enormous setup turns up!

 

Thanks again for all the replies  

[Corranga]

@Shimmyhill Fanatec BF live and the website is dying...

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/black-friday/

[Shimmyhill]

4 minutes ago, Corranga said:

@Shimmyhill Fanatec BF live and the website is dying...

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/black-friday/

 

Have you ordered anything, im finally on the site….

[Corranga]

2 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

Have you ordered anything, im finally on the site….

 

Got pedals in basket, can't get checkout to load

[Shimmyhill]

9 minutes ago, Corranga said:

 

Got pedals in basket, can't get checkout to load

 

Same here, how many people must be on the site  

[Corranga]

1 minute ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

Same here, how many people must be on the site  

 

It was the same last year (I ordered the GT DD Pro which launched on BF, so you can imagine how many folk were hitting it then!)

 

I got my order in, just be patient with the page loading / if you get it in the basket and click checkout, it just brings up the white side bar.  If your browser isn't "loading" then click anywhere on the page and click the cart again.  Once it get there, it took about a mnute per page, but loaded eventually.

The site crashed prior to me getting a confirmation page, but I got an email and money has been taken

[Shimmyhill]

2 hours ago, Corranga said:

 

It was the same last year (I ordered the GT DD Pro which launched on BF, so you can imagine how many folk were hitting it then!)

 

I got my order in, just be patient with the page loading / if you get it in the basket and click checkout, it just brings up the white side bar.  If your browser isn't "loading" then click anywhere on the page and click the cart again.  Once it get there, it took about a mnute per page, but loaded eventually.

The site crashed prior to me getting a confirmation page, but I got an email and money has been taken

 

Just managed to complete the order….. the site went down again and I think I got lucky trying it as it zipped through like normal just now, now to see what the UPS tax bill will be!

 

And to sell on the CSL pedals, assume you will be doing the same?!

[Corranga]

15 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

Just managed to complete the order….. the site went down again and I think I got lucky trying it as it zipped through like normal just now, now to see what the UPS tax bill will be!

 

And to sell on the CSL pedals, assume you will be doing the same?!

 

The tax bill more or less will take it back up to where it would have been (as in Eur price, converted) I think, plus a tenner or so that they charge for the privilege.

 

I'll wait for them to arrived, plug them in and try them before looking at selling the CSL pedals I think, I appreciate this might push me out of the Xmas window, but I presume there will be a lot of pedals for sale soon anyway.

 

[Shimmyhill]

2 hours ago, Corranga said:

 

The tax bill more or less will take it back up to where it would have been (as in Eur price, converted) I think, plus a tenner or so that they charge for the privilege.

 

I'll wait for them to arrived, plug them in and try them before looking at selling the CSL pedals I think, I appreciate this might push me out of the Xmas window, but I presume there will be a lot of pedals for sale soon anyway.

 

 

Very true, did you order the brake performance kit? I meant to but in all the farce of the site loading I forgot to 

[Corranga]

Yes, I added the brake performance kit.  Not sure it's a real issue if you missed it to be honest, as Fanatec don't combine postage anyway as they ship each item separately 

[spatular]

^ what pedals were you guys getting?

 

i'm looking at maybe getting the load cell upgrade to the pedals that came with the dd pro, i know load cells are supposed to be ace, and it's a good discount, but i wouldn't be able to use it without changing my setup quite a bit so it'd be more of a speculative buy in the hope i could use it at some point, so yeah not sure. also looking at one of the rally wheels, the one that's ~100 euros, wouldn't work on xbox, and rubber grip, but other wise is it just the same as the wrc one? looks that way anyway, anyone got one/recommend it? main reason to get one would be the bigger paddles which i use as the handbrake, currently have tiny paddles that seem hard to hit, but haven't done much rallying with it - will give it a go tomorrow, maybe it'll be fine.

 

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/steering-wheels/csl-steering-wheel-p1-v2

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/accessories/pedal-accessories/csl-pedals-load-cell-kit

[Shimmyhill]

5 hours ago, spatular said:

^ what pedals were you guys getting?

 

i'm looking at maybe getting the load cell upgrade to the pedals that came with the dd pro, i know load cells are supposed to be ace, and it's a good discount, but i wouldn't be able to use it without changing my setup quite a bit so it'd be more of a speculative buy in the hope i could use it at some point, so yeah not sure. also looking at one of the rally wheels, the one that's ~100 euros, wouldn't work on xbox, and rubber grip, but other wise is it just the same as the wrc one? looks that way anyway, anyone got one/recommend it? main reason to get one would be the bigger paddles which i use as the handbrake, currently have tiny paddles that seem hard to hit, but haven't done much rallying with it - will give it a go tomorrow, maybe it'll be fine.

 

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/steering-wheels/csl-steering-wheel-p1-v2

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/accessories/pedal-accessories/csl-pedals-load-cell-kit

 

Fanatec Clubsport V3’s as have 25% off - I’m upgrading from the same pedals you have but with the loadcell brake pedal - I’ll be honest and say that having had the original Clubsport pedals I found the CSL to be not as good, the loadcell upgrade is a big jump from the base pedal but I should have just bought the V3’s but if you haven’t had a better set of pedals you will love the loadcell upgrade when you get used to it. I would consider holding off if you’re not going to use it as there will be loads of pedal sets for sale due to upgrades so possibly pickup a loadcell for less than the sale price (I assumed my pedals would fix £100ish for the full set with loadcell and mod springs)

 

Ive not used the wheel but have seen people say it’s just a newer version of the almost identical WRC wheel, Xbox compatibility seems to add €20-30 to any wheel. 

 

Could you add the handbrake to your setup? Its a similar cost to the wheel and i assume to use a paddle as handbrake you’re having to use auto gears? 

[spatular]

^ nice one, those pedals look really cool! And good info thanks, i hadnt thought of looking at second hand pedals or a handbrake, definitely something to think about. Yeah use auto gears but happy to stick with that dont think i can cope with listening to the instructions and changing gears at the same time, having a separate handbrake would be cool though.

[Shimmyhill]

23 hours ago, Corranga said:

Yes, I added the brake performance kit.  Not sure it's a real issue if you missed it to be honest, as Fanatec don't combine postage anyway as they ship each item separately 

 

Only issue being the extra €17 for shipping 😂

 

2 hours ago, spatular said:

^ nice one, those pedals look really cool! And good info thanks, i hadnt thought of looking at second hand pedals or a handbrake, definitely something to think about. Yeah use auto gears but happy to stick with that dont think i can cope with listening to the instructions and changing gears at the same time, having a separate handbrake would be cool though.

 

You will pick up manual gears quickly, generally its faster and you have a bit more control - id defi go for the standalone handbrake if you can mount it!

[Corranga]

8 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

Only issue being the extra €17 for shipping 😂

Not sure if it helps, but I was 27 Eur shipping for the pedals and performance kit. I thought they didn’t do reduction on shipping, maybe I’m wrong.

[Shimmyhill]

7 minutes ago, Corranga said:

Not sure if it helps, but I was 27 Eur shipping for the pedals and performance kit. I thought they didn’t do reduction on shipping, maybe I’m wrong.

 

They kinda stack so my shipping was €20 for the pedals alone!

 

Found some on ebay but at scalpers price and another UK place but only a couple of quick going direct to Fanatec with full €17 shipping 🤬

 

Pedals are showing as shipped tho  

[spatular]

12 hours ago, Shimmyhill said:

You will pick up manual gears quickly, generally its faster and you have a bit more control - id defi go for the standalone handbrake if you can mount it!

 

oh yeah manual is quicker, i am trying to use manual more for on road games but rallying is maybe a bit too much for me and i think the handbrake is really useful there.

 

i'm now looking at reviews of those fancy pedals and thinking how can i attach them to my office chair 

[Shimmyhill]

11 hours ago, spatular said:

 

oh yeah manual is quicker, i am trying to use manual more for on road games but rallying is maybe a bit too much for me and i think the handbrake is really useful there.

 

i'm now looking at reviews of those fancy pedals and thinking how can i attach them to my office chair 

 

How do you mount your wheel at the moment? Assuming pedals are on the floor?

 

Assuming its mounted on a desk a mate of mine has a wheelstand that has little trays his office chair locks into - it all stores under his desk so takes up no room and is easier to setup than clamping the wheel to the desk each time.

 

Did you go for the wheel in the end?

[spatular]

52 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

How do you mount your wheel at the moment? Assuming pedals are on the floor?

 

Assuming its mounted on a desk a mate of mine has a wheelstand that has little trays his office chair locks into - it all stores under his desk so takes up no room and is easier to setup than clamping the wheel to the desk each time.

 

Did you go for the wheel in the end?

 

yeah it's just like you say, wheel mounted to the desk, pedals on the floor. that wheelstand sounds like what i'd need did he make it himself or is it available to buy anywhere? i've seen this which looks interesting

https://www.amazon.com/distance-comfortable-PC-Mac-Linux-Unix/dp/B07N2F9YQN

might try to make something like that myself, maybe even something simple like a rope to hook round the chair wheels might work.

not bought anything yet, still thinking on it, the sale is on till monday, they might sell out of stuff but that's cool, helps me save money

 

how are you mounting your pedals?

[Shimmyhill]

14 minutes ago, spatular said:

 

yeah it's just like you say, wheel mounted to the desk, pedals on the floor. that wheelstand sounds like what i'd need did he make it himself or is it available to buy anywhere? i've seen this which looks interesting

https://www.amazon.com/distance-comfortable-PC-Mac-Linux-Unix/dp/B07N2F9YQN

might try to make something like that myself, maybe even something simple like a rope to hook round the chair wheels might work.

not bought anything yet, still thinking on it, the sale is on till monday, they might sell out of stuff but that's cool, helps me save money

 

how are you mounting your pedals?

 

He has one of these - https://www.box.co.uk/NLR-S023-Next-Level-Racing-Wheel-Stand-2.0_3986843.html you could make something or use the things you put under sofas to stop them moving (forget the name)

 

I have a GTomega wheelstand with the seat add on thing and a race seat - I kinda went through a similar process to most I imagine… started wanting to use a chair I had so bought a wheelstand (at the time due to Covid I couldn’t get either of my first choices) and then found I couldn’t get it set how I wanted so ended up buying the seat frame add on and a race seat… I should have just got a proper rig straight away as thats next on the list for me.

 

I have this https://www.gtomega.co.uk/products/classic-steering-wheel-stand + https://www.gtomega.co.uk/products/classic-rear-seat-frame?variant=39900816932952 with the RS6 seat (I picked the seat up brand new in box off facebook market place for a stupidly cheap price) so pedals are hard mounted to it. I am lucky like a few in here that I have a dedicated space to have it setup - my previous setup a decade ago was always needing to be dragged out to play so restricted my use of it at times.

 

Its all a bit addictive and expensive but I bloody love it and given a few years back I gave up on my F1 dream (and more realistically stopped doing track days and sold on my track prepared car) it scratches that itch so all worth it!

[spatular]

^ thanks for the info, yeah the price is spiraling! your setup looks really cool, nice one! i've had forcefeedback wheels for a long time but never had room for a full setup, been fine with desk mounted but now with load cells becoming more affordable i want to give it a try  

[Corranga]

On 26/11/2022 at 03:38, spatular said:

^ what pedals were you guys getting?

 

i'm looking at maybe getting the load cell upgrade to the pedals that came with the dd pro, i know load cells are supposed to be ace, and it's a good discount, but i wouldn't be able to use it without changing my setup quite a bit so it'd be more of a speculative buy in the hope i could use it at some point, so yeah not sure. also looking at one of the rally wheels, the one that's ~100 euros, wouldn't work on xbox, and rubber grip, but other wise is it just the same as the wrc one? looks that way anyway, anyone got one/recommend it? main reason to get one would be the bigger paddles which i use as the handbrake, currently have tiny paddles that seem hard to hit, but haven't done much rallying with it - will give it a go tomorrow, maybe it'll be fine.

 

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/steering-wheels/csl-steering-wheel-p1-v2

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/accessories/pedal-accessories/csl-pedals-load-cell-kit

Sorry, I missed this post.  Like Shimmy, I’m also upgrading from the CSL with Load cell, and modded at that.  I previous had the CSL Elite with load cell, which to be honest I preferred to the CSL pedals, which, for me are just too short throw.  Mine have also been returned already to replace a broken elastomer shin, which I subsequently replaced with a die spring mod.  In honesty, they are really good pedals, just not quite suited to what I want, plus a bit of fomo perhaps, so I’ve gone all in with the V3 inverted, plus the performance pack.

 

Wheel wise, I have almost the p1 you’ve linked too, I have last years Black Friday edition which looks basically the same

https://fanatec.com/eu-en/anniversary-sale/csl-steering-wheel-p1-v2-black-friday-limited-edition

But with a different texture on the rim.

I also have an older P1 wheel (for Xbox) with Alcantara which was my first wheel so I’m attached to, but it doesn’t have a QR so is a touch annoying to fit, but is basically the WRC wheel without the quick release.

Compared to the GT wheel, The larger diameter is nice for things like rally, it takes a bit of the wheel base torque away, and means you can be a little less precise too. being larger, it take a bit of the torque away from the wheelbase , but if you’re  not at 100% if you want more power.

 

Comparing my 2 P1 rims, the alcantara WRC style rim isn’t so broad (same size wheel, less… girth?) I prefer the feel of the narrow one, but it’s minimal.

The alcantara looks and feels lovely, but really needs more cleaning and gloves if I’m honest, or it gets a bit messy with sweaty hands, and some of the stitching on mine is starting to loosen, so I personally would say the rubber is better than alcantara.   I like the metal shifters, I wouldn’t use them as a hand brake though 😂

 

All in all,they are good wheels, I don’t think you’d regret one, especially for the price, but the WRC isn’t worth almost double.

[spatular]

4 hours ago, Corranga said:

 I like the metal shifters, I wouldn’t use them as a hand brake though 😂

It works well!

 

thanks for the reply! Yeah i think i prefer rubber to alcantara too, am super tempted by the wheel! Xbox support on the wrc one would be good but yeah maybe not as like you say its a lot more cost, and ive got the gt3 one that works on xbox anyway.

 

ive been reading about load cells far too much today (and how to attach them to stuff), was thinking about just getting the upgrade load cell for the csl pedals - but reviews ive seen seem to compare them badly to the v3 and elite ones, both 300 euros at the moment (well 20 extra for the performance kit) but thats without the mod for the csl load kit, but yourself and @Shimmyhill both have those with the mod and still decided to upgrade (i think thats right ayway). Apparently its to do with the pedal travel, apparently you want a bit of travel that is easier to move the pedal, then after that it should be a lot harder, does that sound right, does the csl with mod provide this sort of thing? Without the mod its apparently just hard to press with no give at all, I mean thats my understanding of it from watching/reading some reviews, ive never used a load cell, im sure even that would be better than without a load cell. So sort of tempted by one of the more expensive pedal sets if they are going to be worth the upgrade but wouldnt be able to get a wheel as well then (and then you get into elite vs v3 haha, i guess v3 makes more sense now as its a lot of money off, bur seems like if there was no sale on youd not be missing out on much going for the elites).

 

sorry for asking so many questions that you guys have probably been through before!

 

edit - now this is a real pro sim rig