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Hello, I'm looking for some Bond Advice. I half-watched Goldfinger with my wife the other night, it was pretty good fun. We were thinking at times "hey our kid would love this!" - he is eight, and a car with guns is right up his alley, the violence is generally extremely lightweight by modern standards... but. The treatment of women, my goodness. Not sure we want him to see that right now, honestly. What's a good kids-friendly Bond movie where he doesn't casually slap a girl on the arse or convert a lesbian by basically forcing himself on her?

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The Dalton or early Brosnan ones? Strong female characters with less embarrassing moments. Particularly when compared to the Craig era. That seemed like a real step back imo. Some of the treatment of women in those takes the breath away.

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The early Brosnan ones are horribly sexist in places. Goldeneye introduces Bond in the present day through him driving like a psychopath to deliberately scare the shit out of Moneypenny - he comes across as an absolute bell-end. Plus, not sure Onatopp would be appropriate for an eight year old, what with her basically getting off on killing people, and the bathhouse scene.

 

I seem to recall Dalton's is pretty condescending to women too.

 

I would honestly steer clear of showing Bond films to kids, they're almost always much more violent / sexist / weird than you remember. I showed the start of Casino Royale to my son when it was on over Christmas, thinking it was just the parkour scene. I'd forgotten about the end of that bit, where he's running around the embassy kneecapping people.

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Started on Thunderball last night. 
What a soundtrack that has - just beautiful incidental music throughout. 
And slightly suss lady facing behaviour aside, it’s a cracking Bond with the added bonus of Vulcan bombers. 
 

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If I'm honest a lot of this is I've the Lego Aston Martin in my shed that I want to get him excited about before I reveal it. I shall review some of the suggestions (but yes, not Goldeneye despite that being something of a personal fave whenever I last watched it).

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This might not be exactly an answer, but have you tried watching the Johnny English films with him?  Those are pretty good fun, and my kids loved them at that age.  I think the first is the weakest but the second and third have enough fun bits to keep anyone entertained.

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Although they aren't entirely free of some dodgy stuff, the early Roger Moore ones are probably a nice mix of light-hearted and action.  The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, The Man With The Golden Gun would probably be perfect for an eight year old.

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Haha yes I suppose so. Just, like, degree of obviousness to it versus what might pass an eight year old by completely if that’s possible. 

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Tomorrow Never Dies? It's good fun, nothing springs to mind regarding sexist or just sex issues. I have a soft spot for it cos I bought a boxset that came with a wee fold up camera and earpiece radio, and it prompted me to buy an N64 and Goldeneye.

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1 hour ago, McFly said:

Tomorrow Never Dies? It's good fun, nothing springs to mind regarding sexist or just sex issues. I have a soft spot for it cos I bought a boxset that came with a wee fold up camera and earpiece radio, and it prompted me to buy an N64 and Goldeneye.

 

Be warned: it does contain the "cunning linguist" line, so @milko should probably prepare something to say in case his son asks him to explain the joke!

 

Otherwise, Tomorrow Never Dies probably is one of the least problematic in terms of Bond's behaviour to women, although the plot is kicked off by Bond's mission being to seduce Teri Hatcher's character (which ends up getting her killed).

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On 08/05/2022 at 13:27, Nick R said:

(which ends up getting her killed).

 

To be fair they have a whole 10 second bit where he's sad about that.

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On 06/05/2022 at 13:34, Fireproofradiator said:

@milko What about the Spy Who Loved Me? Barbara Bach’s character knows her shit and stands up to his douchiness. It is also the best Bond film of course.


There’s also the whole scene where Bond is saying things like “You might try reverse”, “Women drivers”, and “Can you play any other tune ?” while Agent XXX is trying to get away from Jaws in the van. And Bond uses another lady as a human shield. It is a very good Bond movie though.

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You may find that a lot of the jokes etc will fly over the kids heads.

 

I know they did when I was a kid. Also, even in the 80s and 90s, I’m pretty sure we all knew we couldn’t treat women like Bond did? 
 

The Roger Moore ones might be your best bet I think? They were the most camp and harmless as far as bond goes?

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James Bond Jnr is so 90s it hurts. Oddjob wears a shellsuit.😆

 

Teen Agent may weel be problematic too, but was deemed family friendly in 1991.

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21 hours ago, Jammy said:


There’s also the whole scene where Bond is saying things like “You might try reverse”, “Women drivers”, and “Can you play any other tune ?” while Agent XXX is trying to get away from Jaws in the van.

 

That's improvised.  Roger Moore is winding Barbara Bach up because she couldn't drive a manual.

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23 minutes ago, sandman said:

The Living Daylights is probably the safest with regards to attitudes to women. 


Julie T Wallace though. Weird feelings…

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Not "You Only Live Twice" where the Japanese guy says something like , "In Japan, women know that their place is to be servants to men" and Bond replies along the lines of "Damn right it is." Can't remember the exact wording but that's very much the gist of it. 

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Started watching them all through from the beginning now. As I mentioned in the other thread. But I've moved over to this one to post my opinions.

 

Zooming through the Connery ones and OHMSS as I'd watched them before I thought about writing about them on here ...

 

Dr No stands up as a good self contained spy movie still, I think. Good introduction to Bond. Learned that Flemming didn't approve of the choice of Connery to play Bond, which I didn't know before, as I'd always thought he was quite close in character to the literary Bond (my favourite Bond, btw). 

 

From Russia with Love is just pure class. Connery hits his stride and knows what he's doing with the character, rather than just trying things out like he is in Dr No. Great incidental music and very much has the atmosphere of a suave, globe-trotting espionage adventure. 

 

Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice - Nothing all that interesting here, just starting to see some of the tropes (one liners after despatching bad guys, a bit of misogyny here and there) developing. I guess they thought they knew what the audience liked and expected by this point and just tried to give it to them. 

 

On Her Majesty's Secret Service - I really like this one and it's the first one since From Russia that I'd say is an interesting standalone film, where you're not just watching it for Bondisms. Lazenby tries to humanise the character and it's good fun. 

 

Diamonds are Forever - It's starting to get a bit silly now, I guess the film series was getting really popular and they realised they were catering to a mainstream cinema audience. Comedy gadgets, comedy bad guys, awful attempts at cinematic special effects which just look bad because they technology's not really there yet - six years before Star Wars. 

 

Live and Let Die - It was time for someone to take over as Bond, certainly, as Connery was starting to phone it in. Moore is for the most part great, and definitely suited to the mainstream audiences that were starting to turn out for blockbusters in the 70s (Towering Inferno is one year away, and Jaws is two years away). It's starting to become more about the spectacle rather than the story, characters, acting performances, etc. A trend that's still going on today of course. Awesome theme tune but it doesn't really go with the visuals during the opening credits. 

 

 

 

 

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