Sport Football Thread 2011/2012

[Dude Ranch]

Yeah, it certainly looks like a dive from that, but that wasn't my question. I want evidence that United train their players to dive.

Evidence of that, really? Before you let this go and say yes that was cheating by Young, again? Evidence lol. Look at it.

[Art Vandelay]

I think the suggestion that players train to dive is pretty far-fetched. Some players are just good at it.

[redbloodcell]

If they were being trained to dive surely they'd make it actually look a bit more believable?

[Rev]

I doubt they're trained (largely due to the fact they're shit) but it does make you wonder what happens when they do it on the training field.

[Timmo]

Of course managers aren't going to discourage it. When a penalty could be the difference between a good or bad result, a league position, or even whether or not they get to keep their job, there aren't going to many that condemn it.

[BlinkyBear]

Well well, maybe Atkinson did call it correctly; looks like it's across the line here:

[The Fox]

Yeah, it certainly looks like a dive from that, but that wasn't my question. I want evidence that United train their players to dive.

I'm not sure he was suggesting Fergie gets them out for Wednesday diving drills.

[kensei]

The whole of the ball still isn't over the whole line there.

[Guest]

Evidence of that, really? Before you let this go and say yes that was cheating by Young, again? Evidence lol. Look at it.

I'm not saying he didn't dive, but Baz specifically said that players get trained to dive, which I find I crazy assumption. There's obviously no evidence to prove his paranoid theory, so I just wanted to call him out on it.

Anyway, the decisions, cheating, general behavior of the players is ridiculous pretty much across the board at the moment and it only seems to be getting worse. I'd much rather have a level playing field, whether that's through goal line tech, dug-out replays or whatever I don't mind. I'd just rather games be won on the merit of the team and not judged because of the odd crazy decision.

[dan_tm]

I still haven't gotten over Adam Johnson's dive a couple of months back, that gif of Young's looks like a good rival for the cuntiest dive of the year award though. I thought Johnson had it in the bag.

[Dudley]

Just got back from Wembley, anything happ....oh. This could be a long post.

Complete and utter lack of class by some of the fans at Wembley then. Glad the crowd bood the fuckers who chanted during that silence.

I nearly punched one of them. Was right in front of those cunts.

A. It wasn't all the fans, let alone all people who support them

B. According to media reports post-match, the boos came from the Chelsea fans.

C. You're a cock.

I don't know if it all came from Chelsea fans, but on the upper tier it was certainly maybe 10-20 people in the Chelsea end as part of it. And believe me 95% of the people in that stand then told them exactly what they thought about it.

I'd heard they hadn't filled their allocation, hard as that is to believe. They got more seats too, the wankers.

I don't know who you heard it from because the Chelsea allocation very comfortably sold out.

What are the commentators going on about?

A goal or a red card?

Playing advantage does not make the foul go away. If it was a red card foul then it's a red card regardless of whether it was stopped or not.

In this case they're right, the red card would be for denial of a goal scoring opportunity. If they score there wasn't DOGSO was there? He should however have been booked.

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As for the non-goal I didn't think it was in at the time, but then I'm in row 13 of the upper tier behind that goal so I'm only slightly better placed than the man who's job it is to be well placed. My feeling is that you have to be REALLY sure to give those and I can't see how he could have been.

[Dudley]

This is where I was, that's the goal where the non-goal goal was.

Also, note the game is still being played, this is how many of the Spurs fans bothered to stay until the end of the game. I really don't understand people who leave matches early.

[Stig]

To be fair, I'd have left when it go to 4-1, there was no way back at that point, never mind at 5-1.

As for Chelsea end not selling out, on TV there were clear empty seat that why it looked like there wasn't a full house.

Also, we will beat you in the final

[Naysonymous]

Also, note the game is still being played, this is how many of the Spurs fans bothered to stay until the end of the game. I really don't understand people who leave matches early.

The last thing you want to do after getting royally humped is stand in a queue at Wembley Park for half an hour waiting for the tube home. I completely understand why Spurs fans left early.

[kensei]

The playerbwas fouled denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Advantage was played because there was a player in support who the ball broke too, giving another goal scoring opportunity. The initial foul still deserved a red. Otherwise you are giving an advantage to the team that commits the foul.

[Shimmyhill]

Indeed, what would happen if a player saved a goal by hand ball but for it to be put in after - outfield player would be sent off would he not?

Anyway, no point getting into the what ifs? but the state of refering of late has been appauling and it is spoiling the game - As a Spurs fan i dont mind losing 5-1 if the other team blow you away and there is no contovesy but the second goal is a bitter pill to swallow.

The worst thing about the whole situation is that i have no option but to support Liverpool in the final

[Frosty]

JT vs Suarez will be a thrilling battle. Who will be crowned King of the Cunts?

[Baz]

I'm not saying he didn't dive, but Baz specifically said that players get trained to dive, which I find I crazy assumption. There's obviously no evidence to prove his paranoid theory, so I just wanted to call him out on it.

Nope.

There's also no way they don't practice this skill, which is something else to think about.

[Guest]

Nope.

Right. So if they don't practise it in training, where do they practise it? In their back garden? Down the park?

That's pretty ridiculous don't you think?

Therefore they must practise it in training, and you don't honestly think the coaching staff would know about it if that's what they were up to?

I'm just trying to deduce things logically there, so I may be wrong, but you seemed quite sure it's something they practise, so I'd just like to see your evidence, that's all.

[Dudley]

The playerbwas fouled denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Advantage was played because there was a player in support who the ball broke too, giving another goal scoring opportunity. The initial foul still deserved a red. Otherwise you are giving an advantage to the team that commits the foul.

No, because he didn't deny the opportunity, the goal was scored. As soon as he plays the advantage it's still the SAME opportunity. it's not "giving the advantage" to the fouling team, in fact it's the exact opposite, that's why it's called "Playing the advantage".

This comes up frequently in you are the ref.

Anyway, no point getting into the what ifs? but the state of refering of late has been appauling and it is spoiling the game - As a Spurs fan i dont mind losing 5-1 if the other team blow you away and there is no contovesy but the second goal is a bitter pill to swallow.

So assume you only lost 4-1. If you're going to "what if" the Chelsea non-goal, why are you assuming Spurs would have scored at all. The goal back was got because Chelsea switched off a little and Spurs stepped up, something that clearly wasn't happening at 1-0.

[Fry Crayola]

No, because he didn't deny the opportunity, the goal was scored. As soon as he plays the advantage it's still the SAME opportunity. it's not "giving the advantage" to the fouling team, in fact it's the exact opposite, that's why it's called "Playing the advantage".

This comes up frequently in you are the ref.

Indeed. A goalscoring opportunity applies to the team, not the player.

[Dudley]

I'll admit it's a little weird as a rule wrinkle that had the ref immediately stopped the game, he WOULD have probably sent Cech off and still given the penalty.

(I haven't yet seen this incident btw, I was up the other side of Wembley and haven't seen any TV coverage so I'm talking in theory as if Cech literally just took the guy out).

[Yobo Ahoy]

So assume you only lost 4-1. If you're going to "what if" the Chelsea non-goal, why are you assuming Spurs would have scored at all. The goal back was got because Chelsea switched off a little and Spurs stepped up, something that clearly wasn't happening at 1-0.

I don't really have much to add but this is a daft point, there was about 6 minutes between the first and second goals.

[Dudley]

The point being that you can't be selective. If the goal made Spurs play differently (and thus the other 3 goals Chelsea scored are apparently null) then why are you assuming Chelsea wouldn't also have played differently with only the 1 goal margin, as indeed they did later at 2-1 and had been at 1-0?

[Rev]

I don't really have much to add but this is a daft point, there was about 6 minutes between the first and second goals.

6 minutes of Chelsea really pushing forward to try and kill the game off, something clearly inspired by the slightly dubious goal. And it was that which let Spurs in.

[DC Lemon]

I still haven't gotten over Adam Johnson's dive a couple of months back, that gif of Young's looks like a good rival for the cuntiest dive of the year award though. I thought Johnson had it in the bag.

Do you have to get the penalty for it to be counted? If not then Carroll's against Newcastle will not and cannot be beaten.

[SaintM]

I think that assuming or speculating anything about what might have happened is a waste of time.

You can no more say Chelsea scored 5 and therefore that goal didn't matter than you can say if Spurs hadn't conceded that dodgy goal they'd have put pressure on Chelsea and scored 5 themselves.

Well, unless someone has a inter-dimensional time machine so they can go and look at what happened in other realities. If so, I apologise and please don't go back and kill my grand-father.

[Kelthink]

JT vs Suarez will be a thrilling battle. Who will be crowned King of the Cunts?

[stefcha]

Well well, maybe Atkinson did call it correctly; looks like it's across the line here:

The goal was a disaster, it was nowhere near a goal. I don't see how he can give the goal: it's nowhere near over the line. It's not as if it's gone in and someone's kicked it away, it's so quick. There were bodies on the line and the ball couldn't possibly get over the line.

That picture and the associated quotes don't really go hand in hand do they. Whether it's over the line or not it's pretty bloody close either way with millimetres in it.

[Rsdio]

Excuse the catch-up post, I avoid this thread on weekends so I don't spoil the highlights.

Garth Crooks is a creepy weirdo who thinks he's not as stupid as every other ex-footballer. I reckon he's bi-polar too. There's always a simmering aggression with everything he says. He doesn't so much relay information from the game he's watching as verbally pin the presenter up against a wall and scream it in his face.

I've always been amazed he doesn't wear glasses purely to cement his self-concept as an intellectual. Like Sylvester Stallone in Tango & Cash.

Honestly though, I've never come across anyone who doesn't loathe him yet he's been a fixture on the BBC forever, it's fucking weird.. Maybe the bosses there are scared he'll finally snap if they let him go, untucking his shirt a bit and ranting, unblinking for hours on end, at the facade of Telecision Centre.

Also, note the game is still being played, this is how many of the Spurs fans bothered to stay until the end of the game. I really don't understand people who leave matches early.

Woah. In that situation you probably get dads telling long-suffering sons that they've got to stay and watch the rest of the game 'to beat the traffic'.

I doubt they're trained (largely due to the fact they're shit) but it does make you wonder what happens when they do it on the training field.

I bet they all fuck about with it like kids at school. "I'll be Andy Carroll LOL" then do a massive dive when clean through to general amusement. Except when a game comes around they start actually doing it for real, without a single one of them recognising the irony.