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Rsdio

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It is a lack of talent. These players are not as good as they're hyped up to be. The Euro 96 England squad was superior to the squad you took to South Africa, in my opinion. It's just that they weren't hyped up as much. The hype and bullshit that surrounds football all comes immediately after Euro 96 if you ask me.

Aye, it's mad to think that a striker as good Fowler couldn't get a game and McManaman (who was a proper special player and could win games almost single-handed at club level) was played out of position on the left. He probably wouldn't even have been playing at all if we'd had a decent left winger. Someone like Le Tissier, in his prime, wasn't even in the squad. Although the game's changed a fair bit even since then, you look at the player pool now and I agree it's hard to argue that it's stronger.

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Just a thought: why does it have to be an established manager again? Just look at the last few years... it's been desastrous.

The Germans appointed Loew who hasn't achieved anything significantly successful before and look how enourmously he has transformed the team.

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Just a thought: why does it have to be an established manager again? Just look at the last few years... it's been desastrous.

The Germans appointed Loew who hasn't achieved anything significantly successful before and look how enourmously he has transformed the team.

Except that's not true.

He had a 10 year managing career (apparently he was in charge of Stuttgart when they were beaten by Chelsea in the Cup Winners Cup) and he was assistant to Klinsmann for 2 years. He was established in the set up and had the respect of the younger players that the DFB wanted to see nurtured as a group. He was credited as being the brains behind Germany's run in the 2006 World Cup and was given the gig full time.

He's not some no mark who's been hanging about the Under 21s because he knows the right people at the DFB.

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Rafa Benitez, get him in for the tournie. No better tournament manager. Won the champions league with a pretty mediocre Liverpool team.

I agree, he has the experience, tactical knowledge and familiarity with the English players. He's my no.1 choice also. But do you remember how the media treated him as Liverpool manager? one poor result as England manager and they will crucify him. I like Benitez and don't want to see him hounded out of the country :(

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How about Hope Powell?

I don't think she's much more qualified than Pearce to do it and it'd probably mess up the women's team a fair bit. Not a terrible suggestion though - she's got to be above Chris Powell who seems to be getting mentioned a bit more today.

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See, this is the problem. English coaches rarely seem to do a tour of duty, working abroad and testing themselves. McClaren is the only relatively high profile coach to do it and he will never be taken seriously in this country again by the press.

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I'm a huge Chris Powell fan but it's miles too early to be mentioning him for a big job yet.

As a fan of another team hoping for promotion from League 1 this year I'd say it's the perfect time for Chris Powell.. Not that we'd probably catch them even then, mind.

I also have no doubt that the next England manager after this one will be foreign. This has been going on since Hoddle who was seen as a more European style coach. He replaced Venables, and was replaced by Keegan, then Sven, then McClaren and then Capello.

This BBC article seems to expand on this theory a little bit, very accurately I thought. I don't think it's a great article otherwise, but still.

Capello was also the unwitting victim of the FA's regular habit of appointing an England manager as knee-jerk contrast to the failings of the one who has gone before.

Back in 1994, Graham Taylor's lumpy playing style and low public stock led directly to the tabloid-friendly and eye-pleasing regime of Terry Venables. When that was ended by questionable business deals and unseemly court cases, the clean-cut Glenn Hoddle was called in - replaced in turn by the crowd-pleasing populism of Kevin Keegan when Hoddle ostracised himself with poor man-management and outre public utterances.

Keegan proved tactically naive. The result? The summoning of Sven, urbane, sophisticated and supposedly a supreme Serie A strategist. When the foreigner was deemed to have failed, the FA switched to a no-nonsense Englishman, who promptly did the same.

After the Wally with the Brolly, Capello was meant to bring class and composure. Yet he was never loved by England fans, never in the way Venables was for a period, not even regarded with the same fond affection as Keegan.

Obvious as it is, I'd never really looked at it like that before.

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I'd say he could still rebuild his reputation in this country under the right circumstances.

Quite possibly. As long as he does it staying a million miles away from the England job, or QPR, then he can manage who he likes.

Like many an person that has tried to make the transistion, he is an excellent coach (See Brian Kidd, Carlos Quieroz for other examples) but an absolutely shocking manager.

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Quite possibly. As long as he does it staying a million miles away from the England job, or QPR, then he can manage who he likes.

Like many an person that has tried to make the transistion, he is an excellent coach (See Brian Kidd, Carlos Quieroz for other examples) but an absolutely shocking manager.

How many league titles has Harry won then? Like it or not, Mclaren is one of the two or three most successful English managers out there.

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