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Yobo Ahoy

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Anyone been watching the ACN? Yeah, it's only ITV (on terrestrial at least, I don't know about Sky etc) so it pays to record it and fast-forward through 75% of the show, but it's pretty entertaining in its usual sort of way. Like terrible defending and horrendous fouls. Gabon look pretty good though, their kid up front (Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang apparently) looks pretty damn talented indeed.

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Shimmyhill

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Yeah. If only he'd thrown a calculating elbow and been booked they couldn't have done anymore...

Lescott has got a ban for his elbow then?

No further action against lescott...

Not sure what your yellow card point is tbh, if the ref had seen it or acted it would have been a red...

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No further action against lescott...

Not sure what your yellow card point is tbh, if the ref had seen it or acted it would have been a red...

The ref may have just booked him. Then, as the FA have said in the past, no further action could be taken.

Surely if the ref lets a challenge go/doesn't book or send off they've dealt with it anyway. Maybe this happened with the Lescott case? Because that was far, far clearer than the Balotelli one.

If they've not seem something that's pretty obvious then they're massively at fault themselves (I'm not saying this happened in these cases, just in general).

Of course the FA may just be protecting/backing English players again ahead of foreign ones.

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About Harry's trial. Spoilered due to length.

Harry Redknapp threatened to "sue the b******s" off a journalist as he angrily denied taking bungs, a court heard on Tuesday.

The Tottenham manager also said Milan Mandaric "don't know what he is f****** talking about" in a 2009 telephone conversation with a News of the World reporter.

In short extracts read out to a jury at Southwark Crown Court, Redknapp told Rob Beasley he had "the best accountants in England", claiming the Inland Revenue was fully aware of his dealings in Monaco.

Beasley spoke to Redknapp days after a telephone interview with former Portsmouth chairman Mandaric.

When Beasley described how Mandaric said the money sent to Redknapp's offshore accounts were investments outside football, the Tottenham manager replied: "He don't know what he is f****** talking about. What is he talking about? It is a bonus."

Explaining that the payments surrounded profit made on the sale of Peter Crouch from Portsmouth to Aston Villa, Redknapp added: "If it was something dodgy I would have gone over there and brought it back in a briefcase."

When Beasley asked him whether he had paid any tax in the UK on it, Redknapp replied: "Haven't been asked to, Rob."

Earlier, the court heard how the Tottenham manager previously only mentioned the Monaco account as he was quizzed during the Premier League-led investigation.

John Black QC, prosecuting, said Redknapp "was feigning almost complete ignorance of its existence" as the Quest inquiry under former Metropolitan Police Commissioner Lord Stevens took place in 2006.

Black asked jurors to consider whether "is it the case that Mr Redknapp could be unaware of the bank account" when he had flown out to Monaco just a couple of years earlier to set it up in the name of his dog, Rosie.

Despite two separate inquiries into his finances - the first launched in the wake of his receipt of a £300,000 "gift" after Rio Ferdinand signed for Leeds from West Ham - Redknapp only registered the account to tax inspectors after his arrest in 2008.

Black told jurors: "The existence of the bank account was not registered to Revenue and Customs for a period of six years, two months...after Mr Redknapp was first arrested and questioned in the course of this investigation."

Tax inspectors were informed of the bank account "only within the context to declare a small amount of credit interest" in 2008, Black said.

Black showed the jury of eight men and four women newspaper cuttings from 2003, which detailed Redknapp had received a £300,000 gift for the £18million transfer of Ferdinand to Leeds.

Redknapp - who had managed West Ham before joining Portsmouth - was said to have described the cash he received as a "personal present".

Black said the fact Redknapp paid tax on the gift was proof he knew future payments would be tax liable.

The Tottenham manager is accused of banking transfer bonuses worth £189,000 during his time managing Portsmouth.

One of the payments was said to have been sparked by the £3million profit Pompey made on the sale of England star Peter Crouch.

Redknapp was accused on Monday of being a "hard-headed businessman" who, alongside co-defendant Milan Mandaric, obscured the money trail for years.

Redknapp first flew out to Monaco - a tax haven - in April 2002 to set up the account, the Crown claims. He named the HSBC account Rosie 47 - a reference to his dog's name and the year of his birth.

Black said "both parties must have known" they were avoiding taxes.

"These payments were a bung or offshore bonus that the parties had absolutely no intention of paying taxes for," he said.

Redknapp and Mandaric deny two counts of cheating the public revenue when he was manager of Portsmouth.

The first charge of cheating the public revenue alleges that between April 1 2002 and November 28 2007 Mandaric paid 145,000 dollars (£93,100) into the account.

The second charge for the same offence relates to a sum of 150,000 US dollars (£96,300) allegedly paid between May 1 2004 and November 28 2007.

Redknapp, 64, who underwent minor heart surgery last year to unblock his arteries, is the most successful English manager in the modern game, having led Portsmouth to FA Cup success and Spurs to last season's Champions League quarter-finals.

Serbian Mandaric, 73, is now chairman of Sheffield Wednesday, having previously worked at Leicester.

Black urged jurors to consider "had Mr Redknapp really forgotten that he had flown to Monaco to set up the account?"

He showed the panel a string of letters between lawyers in the wake of Redknapp's arrest.

The first mention of the offshore account came when Mandaric was asked by the Quest inquiry to provide details of payments to Redknapp, Mr Black said.

"It's clear that it was only at this time that Mr Redknapp brought to the attention the existence of the Monaco bank account, feigning almost total ignorance of its existence, its operation and its contents," he added.

Dodgy as fuck. The more I read about this, the more of a crook Harry comes across as. Not sure what the chances of him being guilty are like, but you'd think that would end any chance he had of becoming England manager.

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About Harry's trial. Spoilered due to length.

Harry Redknapp threatened to "sue the b******s" off a journalist as he angrily denied taking bungs, a court heard on Tuesday.

The Tottenham manager also said Milan Mandaric "don't know what he is f****** talking about" in a 2009 telephone conversation with a News of the World reporter.

In short extracts read out to a jury at Southwark Crown Court, Redknapp told Rob Beasley he had "the best accountants in England", claiming the Inland Revenue was fully aware of his dealings in Monaco.

Beasley spoke to Redknapp days after a telephone interview with former Portsmouth chairman Mandaric.

When Beasley described how Mandaric said the money sent to Redknapp's offshore accounts were investments outside football, the Tottenham manager replied: "He don't know what he is f****** talking about. What is he talking about? It is a bonus."

Explaining that the payments surrounded profit made on the sale of Peter Crouch from Portsmouth to Aston Villa, Redknapp added: "If it was something dodgy I would have gone over there and brought it back in a briefcase."

When Beasley asked him whether he had paid any tax in the UK on it, Redknapp replied: "Haven't been asked to, Rob."

Earlier, the court heard how the Tottenham manager previously only mentioned the Monaco account as he was quizzed during the Premier League-led investigation.

John Black QC, prosecuting, said Redknapp "was feigning almost complete ignorance of its existence" as the Quest inquiry under former Metropolitan Police Commissioner Lord Stevens took place in 2006.

Black asked jurors to consider whether "is it the case that Mr Redknapp could be unaware of the bank account" when he had flown out to Monaco just a couple of years earlier to set it up in the name of his dog, Rosie.

Despite two separate inquiries into his finances - the first launched in the wake of his receipt of a £300,000 "gift" after Rio Ferdinand signed for Leeds from West Ham - Redknapp only registered the account to tax inspectors after his arrest in 2008.

Black told jurors: "The existence of the bank account was not registered to Revenue and Customs for a period of six years, two months...after Mr Redknapp was first arrested and questioned in the course of this investigation."

Tax inspectors were informed of the bank account "only within the context to declare a small amount of credit interest" in 2008, Black said.

Black showed the jury of eight men and four women newspaper cuttings from 2003, which detailed Redknapp had received a £300,000 gift for the £18million transfer of Ferdinand to Leeds.

Redknapp - who had managed West Ham before joining Portsmouth - was said to have described the cash he received as a "personal present".

Black said the fact Redknapp paid tax on the gift was proof he knew future payments would be tax liable.

The Tottenham manager is accused of banking transfer bonuses worth £189,000 during his time managing Portsmouth.

One of the payments was said to have been sparked by the £3million profit Pompey made on the sale of England star Peter Crouch.

Redknapp was accused on Monday of being a "hard-headed businessman" who, alongside co-defendant Milan Mandaric, obscured the money trail for years.

Redknapp first flew out to Monaco - a tax haven - in April 2002 to set up the account, the Crown claims. He named the HSBC account Rosie 47 - a reference to his dog's name and the year of his birth.

Black said "both parties must have known" they were avoiding taxes.

"These payments were a bung or offshore bonus that the parties had absolutely no intention of paying taxes for," he said.

Redknapp and Mandaric deny two counts of cheating the public revenue when he was manager of Portsmouth.

The first charge of cheating the public revenue alleges that between April 1 2002 and November 28 2007 Mandaric paid 145,000 dollars (£93,100) into the account.

The second charge for the same offence relates to a sum of 150,000 US dollars (£96,300) allegedly paid between May 1 2004 and November 28 2007.

Redknapp, 64, who underwent minor heart surgery last year to unblock his arteries, is the most successful English manager in the modern game, having led Portsmouth to FA Cup success and Spurs to last season's Champions League quarter-finals.

Serbian Mandaric, 73, is now chairman of Sheffield Wednesday, having previously worked at Leicester.

Black urged jurors to consider "had Mr Redknapp really forgotten that he had flown to Monaco to set up the account?"

He showed the panel a string of letters between lawyers in the wake of Redknapp's arrest.

The first mention of the offshore account came when Mandaric was asked by the Quest inquiry to provide details of payments to Redknapp, Mr Black said.

"It's clear that it was only at this time that Mr Redknapp brought to the attention the existence of the Monaco bank account, feigning almost total ignorance of its existence, its operation and its contents," he added.

Dodgy as fuck. The more I read about this, the more of a crook Harry comes across as. Not sure what the chances of him being guilty are like, but you'd think that would end any chance he had of becoming England manager.

None of this is a surprise, he seems to have been given an easy ride for years as a sports media darling.

I hope this will start to shine a light on football finances, they must be corrupt beyond belief.

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One thing about the spoilered article that is surprising is that winning an FA Cup and reaching the Champions League QFs makes Redknapp the most successful English manager in the modern game.

And when did the 'modern game' begin?

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One thing about the spoilered article that is surprising is that winning an FA Cup and reaching the Champions League QFs makes Redknapp the most successful English manager in the modern game.

And when did the 'modern game' begin?

In England, presumably? McClaren is surely above if you include Twente? League Cup, UEFA Final, Dutch Premier League is surely better? And are we saying Bobby Robson doing similar is before the modern game?

Hopefully the defence will clear this allegation up.

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As Harry stands trial for his dodgy dealings, one of his former clubs he was so "loyal" to (as he happily took money away from them) has been issued a winding up order. :(

Portsmouth are expected to be issued with a winding-up petition by HM Revenue and Customs over unpaid tax.

The club's chief-executive David Lampitt told BBC Radio Solent on Saturday that Pompey had failed to meet two payments totalling £1.6m.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16706372.stm

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One thing about the spoilered article that is surprising is that winning an FA Cup and reaching the Champions League QFs makes Redknapp the most successful English manager in the modern game.

And when did the 'modern game' begin?

Sky Sports invented football on Saturday August 15th 1992. So probably then.

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Stig

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In England, presumably? McClaren is surely above if you include Twente? League Cup, UEFA Final, Dutch Premier League is surely better? And are we saying Bobby Robson doing similar is before the modern game?

Hopefully the defence will clear this allegation up.

This is exactly what I was thinking too. Surely Mclaren and Bobby Robosn are more successfull. Hell, even Hodgson has more honours (albeit in random Mikey mouse leagues)

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Hogson also took Inter to the Uefa Cup final and Fulham to the Europa league final, so god knows what that article is going on about.

Didn't he take over when they were pretty much already on their way to the final anyway?

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Cardiff deserved that.

Will they be in Europe if Man City or Liverpool get in via League position?

(Well Man City)

Pretty sure they would have to win it. Carling Cup runner up isn't enough to secure a place, the extra place goes to the premier league. I think.

FA cup runner ups can sneak into Europe though.

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Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!

I'm nackered after that - we can never do anything the easy way.

Deserved to win, but thought we would lose the shoot-out after missing so many chances and Palace defending so bravely.

Never believed I'd see Cardiff in an FA Cup final or a Carling Cup final in my lifetime let alone within 4 years (plus a Championship play-off final in between)

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Ouch! Man City are the only club with pockets deep enough to make a stand like this, and good for them I say.

Well, at least they're not paying him now. They've saved £9m and are still top of the league.

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