Sport Football Thread 2011/2012

[DC Lemon]

This is all getting a bit too dark. Let's see if Robbie Fowler's latest prank can lighten the tone.

[SaintM]

Witnesses reported seeing two fans wearing Luis Suárez T-shirts – similar to those worn by Liverpool players at Wigan last month, after the Uruguayan was found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra – confronting Adeyemi. A witness who gave evidence to Liverpool officials and the police said: "I was to the right of the Kop and the No11 turned to walk away after a tackle. I heard a single voice shout, 'You fucking black bastard.' He spun round with shock on his face and started pointing at the crowd, from where the shout had come."

What a shocker. Football club support racist behaviour by their player, idiot fans think it's acceptable behaviour.

See Kenny? This kinda shit is why a lot of people think you've brought shame to the club, you dolt.

[CJ.]

BACK TO FOOTBALL

Anyone watch the Wycombe-Huddersfield game?

Rhodes had a worlds scoring FIVE goals.

Guess that's not the first time a football team's been fucked by someone called Jordan.

[Rev]

BACK TO FOOTBALL

Anyone watch the Wycombe-Huddersfield game?

Rhodes had a worlds scoring FIVE goals.

Guess that's not the first time a football team's been fucked by someone called Jordan.

Yeah, we did that before Liverpool managed to over-shadow the fact that both Carroll and Downing scored with something even more ridiculous.

But Rhodes is good, it's definitely when rather than if he leaves Huddersfield now. Personally I think he'll go this window and be loaned straight back to them.

[Rev]

[SaintM]

Because he's effectively said that Kenny/the club have turned people racist

I don't think I've said that at all.

I've said that by their actions of refusing to condemn the racist actions of their player, going so far as to actively support and excuse him, LFC have eroded the anti-racism movement at Anfield and thus invited this kind of behaviour.

[spork]

It's not easy to believe a guy who's cheated and lies most of the time. Still, he fits in at Man U pretty well.

United Suarez bid confirmed!

[Varnsen]

I don't think I've said that at all.

I've said that by their actions of refusing to condemn the racist actions of their player, going so far as to actively support and excuse him, LFC have eroded the anti-racism movement at Anfield and thus invited this kind of behaviour.

That's still going out on a limb at this stage though, and probably impossible to prove the correlation.

Football is all a bit horrid at the moment.

[scruffycat]

That is short sighted thinking. Stupidly so.

I'm surprised that someone like Saint believes that these incidents correlate so tangibly. Because he's effectively said that Kenny/the club have turned people racist.

Utter stupidly - do you really believe that LFC have created new racists?

Staggering naivety.

As for the rest - its surprising that Man U fans are making hay about it in here considering the calls for "let's not make this tribal".

Pathetic. Yet somehow not unexpected from their lot.

You are a terrible, awful individual who stinks up the football thread like no other. You have no humour, wit or intelligence and most people on this part of the forum hope you stop posting. Permanently, if I'm honest.

So, I'm wondering how you are able to spew your stupidity all over this thread, continually?

[Rev]

Rev also believes new racists have appeared? Moronic.

I think an organisation refusing to do everything in its power to condone racist remarks is worse than one individual being racist and that will inevitably affect everything related to that organisation. Making new racists? Probably not, but certainly not doing anything to reduce the number. If there are any more occurrences of fans in Suarez t-shirts racially abusing players (or copycat actions by, say, racists supporting Terry either at Chelsea or England games) I think the decision of Liverpool to wear them in the first place will rapidly become pretty much the lowest point in the history of Liverpool FC.

You're rapidly going to find yourself defending the indefensible if you're not careful.

[SuperCat]

You are a terrible, awful individual who stinks up the football thread like no other. You have no humour, wit or intelligence and most people on this part of the forum hope you stop posting. Permanently, if I'm honest.

So, I'm wondering how you are able to spew your stupidity all over this thread, continually?

Get the feeling there might be a few +1's.

If this were a Chelsea game Dinobot would be saying spouting nonsense like 'Fans following their captains example'.

[emjay2kay]

I love how it's the Man Utd fans who keep making this tribal, and not Disciple, constantly bringing up how it's Man Utd fans making a comment about, well, anything.

[Stig]

God some people in this thread are pathetic. Shall we talk about football now?

[SaintM]

The latest incident happened tonight during a match so it's very much a topic for discussion.

Fair enough that as a Liverpool fan you must be sick of it, but it's very much in the news so you are not gonna get people talking about Downing finally getting a goal when in the same game a young black player was reduced to tears due to racist abuse from the home crowd.

[Jamin]

I think the word you're missing from that sentence is 'alleged' - no arrests for racial abuse have been made.

Quite a few voices claiming to be at the game say that the "supporter" in question said 'manc' not 'black'. Which would admittedly be equally as moronic seeings as the guy in question - Tom Adeyemi - is from Norwich.

[SaintM]

Sounds like he's reported it to police as racist abuse.

An eye witness, who later gave evidence to club officials and the police, claimed he heard a single voice shout: "You f****** black b******."

Adeyemi, on loan from Norwich, also gave a statement to police before heading straight on to the team bus. It is understood he also claimed he had been called a "black c***."

Other witnesses insist he was also subject to shouts of "Manc b******".

From the Scum, so take that as you will.

[Oh Danny Boy]

The latest incident happened tonight during a match so it's very much a topic for discussion.

Fair enough that as a Liverpool fan you must be sick of it, but it's very much in the news so you are not gonna get people talking about Downing finally getting a goal when in the same game a young black player was reduced to tears due to racist abuse from the home crowd.

it was only by the home crowd if our home crowd was one person who once identified won't be allowed near a football stadium again nevermind Anfield. Stop sensationalising this like a trashy red top

[SaintM]

I've not sensationalised anything. The alleged abuse came from someone sitting in the home crowd, ergo the abuse came from the home crowd.

How else can I refer to where the guy was?

Apologies for anyone who has read it as me saying the entire crowd was hurling abuse.

[AlwaysBeClosing]

it was only by the home crowd if our home crowd was one person who once identified won't be allowed near a football stadium again nevermind Anfield. Stop sensationalising this like a trashy red top

It wasn't from the away crowd was it? Ergo it's the home crowd - it came from within there. Trying to dismiss the issue because you don't agree with the phrasing is weak.

[AlwaysBeClosing]

Rooney said he was leaving before and changed his mind.

It's not easy to believe a guy who's cheated and lies most of the time. Still, he fits in at Man U pretty well.

[Art Vandelay]

That is short sighted thinking. Stupidly so.

I'm surprised that someone like Saint believes that these incidents correlate so tangibly. Because he's effectively said that Kenny/the club have turned people racist.

Utter stupidly - do you really believe that LFC have created new racists?

Staggering naivety.

As for the rest - its surprising that Man U fans are making hay about it in here considering the calls for "let's not make this tribal".

Pathetic. Yet somehow not unexpected from their lot.

[Gotters]

The club haven't made people racist by their actions in the defence of Suarez but its surely not that much of a leap to see that your average knuckle dragger would look at what has been coming out of Anfield in recent weeks and see it as a club sanctioned justification for the use of racist language is it ?

[Guest]

That's still going out on a limb at this stage though, and probably impossible to prove the correlation.

Football is all a bit horrid at the moment.

Quite.

It's remarkable how previously it was all about evidence in the case and now usually lucid posters like Saint appear to have jumped on this with a "Oh that's happened so that MUST have happened".

Still the club can't do right by many a "football fan" these days. If they support their player despite lack of facts (believe him) they're criticised. If they decide not to challenge the ban they're criticised. They try to move on and an idiot fan behaves disgustingly and, despite the apparent free will of people we always hear about, the club are blamed again.

Oh and Kenny. Don't forget "KKKenny". How did he ever sign John Barnes in the 80's, was he drunk at the time?

See Kenny? This kinda shit is why a lot of people think you've brought shame to the club, you dolt.

Proof. All down to Dalglish.

[Timmo]

Oh and Kenny. Don't forget "KKKenny". How did he ever sign John Barnes in the 80's, was he drunk at the time?

You've effectively used the "I have black friends" defence. As a defence against something no-one has said. Well played.

[bradigor]

I think the word you're missing from that sentence is 'alleged' - no arrests for racial abuse have been made.

Quite a few voices claiming to be at the game say that the "supporter" in question said 'manc' not 'black'. Which would admittedly be equally as moronic seeings as the guy in question - Tom Adeyemi - is from Norwich.

The whole 'manc' angle screams of a misguided sense of damage limitation. Of words being misheard at the very least.

I stated in another conversation that the club have handled this very badly and some 'fans' have taken that stance as an excuse to act in a certain way.

In my opinion the club should have said about the incident...

"Liverpool FC understand that what was said by Suarez was wrong and unacceptable in this country, Whilst we believe it is a cultural issue, we will be sure to educate the player on his future behaviour. We would like to take this time to apologise to Mr Evra for any hurt caused. Whilst we also believe the ban length is harsh, we accept it and as previously stated use that time to educate Mr Suarez." (obviously a lot more eloquently than me)

instead of basically going...

"He did nothing wrong, the FA are against us, it's not fair, it is a conspiracy, Evra lied, Ferguson lied, we can't say why but woe is us"

Whether or not Kenny is right in his opinion, the lasting impression on him and the club is very damaging. Not just on the football side of it either.

[Art Vandelay]

Well the point is that Liverpool can't condemn these fans for shouting racist abuse without coming across as enourmous hypocrites. It's unfortunate for the club these fans decided to do it at quite possibly the worst time they could have thought of, but for everyone else the only surprise is that the chickens came home to roost this quickly.

[Guest]

You've effectively used the "I have black friends" defence. As a defence against something no-one has said. Well played.

He has been called KKKenny in this very thread, indicating his stance. Furthermore much of the blame for this has now been labelled on him.

Only repeating what others have said.

[AlwaysBeClosing]

Didn't you post that 'This Is Klanfield' shit too?

[a big boy]

The whole 'manc' angle screams of a misguided sense of damage limitation. Of words being misheard at the very least.

I stated in another conversation that the club have handled this very badly and some 'fans' have taken that stance as an excuse to act in a certain way.

In my opinion the club should have said about the incident...

"Liverpool FC understand that what was said by Suarez was wrong and unacceptable in this country, Whilst we believe it is a cultural issue, we will be sure to educate the player on his future behaviour. We would like to take this time to apologise to Mr Evra for any hurt caused. Whilst we also believe the ban length is harsh, we accept it and as previously stated use that time to educate Mr Suarez." (obviously a lot more eloquently than me)

instead of basically going...

"He did nothing wrong, the FA are against us, it's not fair, it is a conspiracy, Evra lied, Ferguson lied, we can't say why but woe is us"

Whether or not Kenny is right in his opinion, the lasting impression on him and the club is very damaging. Not just on the football side of it either.

The statements were the most unbelievable part of the whole debacle. They literally read like something you'd expect to here from some deranged fan on a forum; full of factual errors and whinging rubbish. Even the second one purporting to accept the punishment, and draw a line in the sand under the whole affair was basically one long letter whingeing letter of complaint. It's genuinely shocking that two statements so amateurish and ill-judged could come from any professional organisation on an issue like this, much less one that rightly prides itself as a beacon in its own community... The statement you just wrote would have done the job perfectly.

And I think Art is right that it's only surprising in retrospect that the chickens have come home to roost so early. All clubs have racist fans, unfortunately the reason racism is now so rare in grounds is as much to do with zero tolerance policing as it is education. And the thing with racism is really it is one of those things where you're either totally against it without exception... or you're not. So when the club are seen to take a step back from the zero-tolerance approach and try and awkwardly paint themselves into some kind of middle ground, it's probably to be expected that some idiot who otherwise wouldn't dare chant racist abuse all of a sudden feels like it might not be as simple as that anymore.

I'd be interested to hear what the American owners part in all this was (if any). And if they haven't pulled rank on the issue, why not.

[Plissken]

Remember, calling someone a "black bastard" for the "crime" of wearing another teams shirt is completely and utterly wrong, but calling them a "Manc bastard" for same is completely alright.