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BlinkyBear

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Consistency in the decision of Premiership referees?

Gervinho has foot taken from under him after beating his man. No penalty.

Yaya Toure falls to the floor under the most dubious of touches. Penalty.

Still, at least both refs sent off players for 2 weak yellow cards.

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SaintM

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I feel this should be cross posted from the Liverpool thead just to balance out Dinobots nonsense and show that some Liverpool fans have some class and dignity.

The statement they've released is horseshit. It reads like they are trying to save face, and hope that by not continuing, it'll push it out of peoples minds quicker. Its spin, pure and simple. Letting it go isnt the classy thing to do at all. If they were so sure that an injustice had been done, they should be fighting fucking tooth and nail to clear their players name, and show that you cant just go around throwing accusations of racism. Also, "they fully support the FA's fight to get rid of racism". No they dont. One of their players has just been found guilty of racial abuse, and they arent appealing it, but at the same time defending the shit out of him to the media and not doing anything to him. He even admits to calling him a negro, but not once have I heard them say anything like "we do not find this acceptable language and will be dealing with it". Even if their dealing with it just was having a word. Instead they have always gone with the "well, negro isnt offensive where he's from so it kinda ok". If I'm wrong on that please correct me, but I've never seen it.

Quite. It's like what a caller on 606 said the other night, why is that acceptable? If there are monkey chants when the world cup rolls around to Russia, should that be ok because it's acceptable there? Or when English teams play in other eastern European countries, should that be fine if it is culturally acceptable there?

Such a shameful chapter for Liverpool.

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DeadRussian

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Consistency in the decision of Premiership referees?

You speak as if you believe that these collection of referees have some sort of hive mind. They're individual people, who clearly try and follow the laws of the game, but they're going to have their own subtle interpretations and so on. It's not even as if technology is going to help in these situations - you're always going to get people who can't agree on certain calls.

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Fry Crayola

Fry Crayola

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If the ref thought it was a foul how hasn't he sent him off? It was clearly a dive but in giving the pen surely it has to followed with a red card?

I think Touré looked to have knocked it too far, thus meaning it wasn't an obvious goalscoring opportunity - Reina was more likely to collect it.

Mind you, I haven't been paying much attention.

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a big boy

a big boy

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I think you'll finish second behind City. The team's so strong and playing so well at the moment, the only reason you're not being taken seriously as title contenders is because you're, well, Spurs and have a bit of a reputation for falling to pieces. But none of those stereotypes seem to apply this season.

Real Madrid are 2-0 down to Malaga at home in the Spainsh Cup!

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redbloodcell

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Jesus Spurs were shocking tonight against a very well drilled and organised West Brom team but yet they win again.

I know it is still early but I will be shocked if Spurs don't finish in the top 4 this season and maybe even higher.

That was a mental last 10 minutes after Livermore went off, poor old Niko can't play as a holding CM for shit!

Thought Bale and Walker really underperformed tonight though, no end product from either when both saw plenty of the ball. Walker's crossing especially was absolutely wank, Harry should have him stay back after training to practice, along with anyone who thinks they can take a bloody set-piece!

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Fry Crayola

Fry Crayola

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Quite. It's like what a caller on 606 said the other night, why is that acceptable? If there are monkey chants when the world cup rolls around to Russia, should that be ok because it's acceptable there? Or when English teams play in other eastern European countries, should that be fine if it is culturally acceptable there?

I think that's a different situation. Monkey chants are objectively derogatory chants based upon race. Suarez's point isn't that casual racism is that acceptable in Uruguay, but that "por que, negro" has no racial meaning, which the language experts agreed upon. At any rate, what he claims he said remains unacceptable in the UK, and he wasn't punished for what he claims he said, so I don't think he should start defending that in his statement - if anything, the FA report corroborates his position there.

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Graham S

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I think that's a different situation. Monkey chants are objectively derogatory chants based upon race. Suarez's point isn't that casual racism is that acceptable in Uruguay, but that "por que, negro" has no racial meaning, which the language experts agreed upon. At any rate, what he claims he said remains unacceptable in the UK, and he wasn't punished for what he claims he said, so I don't think he should start defending that in his statement - if anything, the FA report corroborates his position there.

I think what Suarez claims he said (said in Spanish) would be acceptable in the UK to the right person in the right context. Indeed, Suarez states he said "Dale, negro" while offering his hand to Yaya Toure last season, and it seems to have been accepted in the right spirit then.

I'd kind of hoped originally that it was all some big lost in translation problem, that Suarez had said something like "Por que, negro?" and Evra had taken it the wrong way: indeed Evra does seem to have believed (via his knowledge of Italian) that "nigger" was a reasonable translation from the Spanish, but it seems that that's not really right if its said in a friendly fashion and Evra now accepts this.

But if you accept Evra's evidence along with the video evidence, things didn't happen in the way Suarez claims at all, and it was all much more of an angry row or a wind-up, with a lot more said.

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Timmo

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Went to City-Liverpool tonight through getting free tickets. Lovely stadium, the swirly walkways look ace.

Always so much better to get a feel for just how good a side are seeing them live and seeing their shape as a whole.

You can see why City are so hard to beat. I wouldn't say they were spectacular but they mix great discipline with touches of class. Silva didn't impress me at all despite his two assists and Aguero was very quiet too. The fact they both produced despite having off days shows just how good they are.

Yaya Toure is just a force of nature, I couldn't see why any team in the world wouldn't want him, what a player. Milner was the other standout, he was fantastic.

Liverpool looked aimless. Brilliant defence, average midfield and attack. Improved when Gerrard and Bellamy came on but missed Suarez and desperately need a finisher.

Gutted to not see Balotelli or Suarez but worth the five hours I've spent driving.

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Rudderless

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Bollocks, he was not touched and he dived.

Gary Neville said it was a pen after the match - sure, he's no Liverpool fan, but he's hardly going to favour City, is he? It did look soft at first glance, but when they showed the replays, Skrtel's knee made clear contact with the back of Toure's leg. The speed he was running at, and at that late point in the game, any contact was going to make him drop. 3-0 was harsh on Liverpool, but they did look toothless up front, and came up against Kompany in imperious form.

Barry's sending off seemed harsh, but I think it was cumulative fouls rather than the severity of any of the offences, in which case it's slightly more understandable, even if Spearing went down very easily for the first yellow. What amazed me was how Adam wasn't carded. Seemed to get away with a couple of rough challenges because the ref played advantage in one case, and in the other because it came slightly after a minor foul by Johnson. Either way he should have pulled it back.

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Fry Crayola

Fry Crayola

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I think what Suarez claims he said (said in Spanish) would be acceptable in the UK to the right person in the right context. Indeed, Suarez states he said "Dale, negro" while offering his hand to Yaya Toure last season, and it seems to have been accepted in the right spirit then.

True, anything is acceptable with the right people - like the poster a while back, I'll happily call a friend a cunt without the slightest bit of offense intended. With people you may not be familiar with you've got to use a bit of common sense and steer clear of potentially offensive terms.

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Fry Crayola

Fry Crayola

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I thought the experts said that what Suarez claims to have said was often used in a friendly way, but there are some who would take offence to it even in Uruguay. It wasn't universally accepted as inoffensive.

Aye, they said:

201. Secondly' date=' use of the word "negro" can be seen as offensive or inoffensive in Uruguay and Latin America. It appears to depend, largely, on the context. It might be seen by some as inoffensive when used to address relatives, friends or passers-by. However, we note the experts' comment that in all cases when the word is used in this way it implies a sense of rapport or the attempt to create such rapport; naturally, if the term were used with a sneer, then it might carry negative connotations. It is important to examine closely the context in which it is used, and the way in which it is used, in order to decide whether it is being used offensively and offensively in racial terms. [/quote']

Suarez claims he used it in a friendly way, to which - in the experts' opinion - few people would be offended.

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