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Shigeru Miyamoto - "3D is the future of gaming"

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I don't think 3D is not really about gameplay elements anyway. We've played a million games when you have to avoid a pendulum type object swinging into and out from the screen whilst your on a 2D plane.

It only looks better by virtual of fooling you into having an extra dimension.

3D is about better immersion.

Any 3D game can be done in 2D. Think about it. The advantage of one over the other isn't that great in gameplay terms. Its certainly better in terms of immersion.

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Funny you should say that sprite, because actual tests carried out by Custom PC recently showed that playing a game in 3D improves your performance by 0%.

Consistently.

There's a mini write-up of the experiment here

There's not enough information presented there to make any sort of judgement or rebuttal.

Are you implying all the one-eyed 2D paupers will be at a disadvantage when they play against their 3D-using 3DS opponents?

To an extent, yes.

It's all very shaky to be honest. But until I see a remotely credible study demonstrating any kind of player performance benefit to 3D, Sprite Machine's argument holds no water at all.

My argument is based entirely on logic.

I can still tell how far away something is with one eye closed.

That's a non sequitur. Something being "good enough" doesn't preclude it from being improved upon.

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I'm going to slightly disagree with you here Morrius. One reason i don't want a 3DS is that fact it does 3D in a really tiny space.

3D should be done on a big screen as part of the whole immersion thing and thats why i thought Ninty did the wrong graphics thing, but thats just me.

3D works much better on a bigger screen, or better still, a fucking great wall :)

Can you get 3D Projectors?

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Interestingly, I went on a date with a lady last Saturday who could only see out of one eye. At the end, she drove home. I wondered, but didn't want to seem too curious about it, how having one eye affects driving. Surely it's much harder without the depth perception, or do you totally learn to accomodate it?

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My Mum has one eye, she's driven without an accident for 40 years.

My argument is based entirely on logic.

Mine is based on evidence. I hope for more soon.

Anyway, 3D has some interesting uses for data presentation - imagine if, in the future, instead of negging posts, you would 'push them away', so the posts with the most positive votes would jump out at you, while the most negged posts would be farther away.

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I'm going to slightly disagree with you here Morrius. One reason i don't want a 3DS is that fact it does 3D in a really tiny space.

3D should be done on a big screen as part of the whole immersion thing and thats why i thought Ninty did the wrong graphics thing, but thats just me.

3D works much better on a bigger screen.

Interesting, fair enough. Are you waiting for the inevitable glasses-less TVs etc? Or are you going to jump in now with the 3D PS3 games etc. Maybe you already have?

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Yeah, if they're any good. I'll try and go with the best option.

I'd ideally not want glasses but could try out that route now with some NVidia ones off my GTX480. Wouldn't get 60fps though but i'll take 25-30 :lol:

I've not bothered with the Sony PS3 option i use a monitor in my gaming room so whatever i do i'll need a new screen of some sort.

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Test it out before you splurge, it's a lot to spend/sacrifice if you don't get on with it. Some games work better than others, it's really cool in Just Cause 2 for example, but not so good in Arkham Asylum as it's quite murky. One of the best games I've tried in 3D is Wow, surprisingly. Maybe the simple geometry, massive draw distance and lots of colours helped, I don't know.

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Interestingly, I went on a date with a lady last Saturday who could only see out of one eye. At the end, she drove home. I wondered, but didn't want to seem too curious about it, how having one eye affects driving. Surely it's much harder without the depth perception, or do you totally learn to accomodate it?

Binocular vision isn't as important to depth perception as you'd think, there are a lot of other cues you use (like parallax motion) to work out distance. More dibilitating for driving would be the fact half your visual field is gone!

Much as I like 3D for adding an extra sense of immersion to games, we're going to need very savvy designers to use it for anything interesting, especially if you have to compensate for the fact players can just turn it off.

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Well I hope it isn't the future. As someone who can't see 3D I'm not exactly excited by his claims.

And after hearing various podcasts now, where people are claiming they have headches after playing the 3DS for short periods of time, I'm hoping it vanishes sooner rather than later.

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Well I hope it isn't the future. As someone who can't see 3D I'm not exactly excited by his claims.

And after hearing various podcasts now, where people are claiming they have headches after playing the 3DS for short periods of time, I'm hoping it vanishes sooner rather than later.

Although I understand that it doesn't affect you, wouldn't you rather the process was improved rather than just done away with altogether?

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'PC, Playstation or Kinect' lol.

Actually I imagine you can get glassesless 3D on the PC already, if you want to pay a million pounds for it.

Alison Brie?! All the wonders of 21st century technology and more than likely cybernetic implants with holodeck interactive porn and you go for Alison Brie...

negged.

I take it you're not fussed about 3D, seeing as you're blind trolololol.

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A friend knows someone who works for nintendo legal, and she is of the opinion that the 3DS is a mammoth lawsuit waiting to happen. This has repeatedly been pointed out to Japan, but they never listen to their offices in the 'regions' apparently.

Imagine if an entire generation of Japanese kids grew up looking like this

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You'll all love the the Nintendo DSBeam console. Its great, and is released in 2022.

Launch Titles:

Puzzle Puzzler

Ridge Racer

Picross

Sonic the Hedgehog (Remake of the original game but in DSBEAM)

Turok

Animal Crossing 3DS (Euro Launch. Everyone else got it in 2012)

and several Virtual Console titles. From the Virtual Boy.

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My Mum has one eye, she's driven without an accident for 40 years.
Again:
That's a non sequitur. Something being "good enough" doesn't preclude it from being improved upon.
Mine is based on evidence. I hope for more soon.

Insubstantial evidence that flies in the face of logic.

You remain unconvinced that stereoscopy can have a major impact on player performance. Fine. That's reasonable. I don't disagree.

You state that stereoscopy can have absolutely no impact on player performance whatsoever, that it is fundamentally impossible. That's just nonsense. It's like stating some isn't more than none. It makes no sense whatsoever and just comes across as blinkered and dismissive.

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"PUPILS STING PLAYING PILOTWING!"

"SHE HAS NO FACE AFTER PLAYING RIDGE RACE!

"MA KIDS EYES TURNED TO HARIBO... PLAYING MARIO!"

"HIS VISION IS IMPARED...HE CANNOT SEE!"

Another kid goes blind after playing Nintendo's latest Doctor who game...

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I love it when Sprite gets all Spock-like. I'm always looking for that slight raise of an eyebrow, that hint of a smile - something to suggest he's human and shares a sense of humour just like the rst of us. But of course he's a Vulcan and he deals in PURE LOGIC.

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I'd gladly look at evidence to support your claims.

It's something that could be fairly easily tested, after all. The only evidence I can find points the opposite way at the moment.

Hypothesize, for me. What would you predict the results of such a test to be, and why? Genuinely curious.

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I think a full, controlled experiment would indicate that switching from 2D to 3D, assuming it did not affect game performance (frame rate etc), would have no appreciable effect on player performance. In any genre. Whether or not it increases their subjective enjoyment, I could not say.

I'm sure we'll have more conclusive tests to determine this soon. I look forward to it.

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