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Heggwest sounds excellent, I wish I could've come. I spent most of the weekend draping sheets over furniture and suffering from paint induced headaches instead.

Some of the USF4 changes sound wild. Both ultras but with each ultra doing scaled damage could be fun! Or it could be awful. Probably awful where a character has ultras which both shut down certain options.

Delayed wake up is an odd one. If it's only off soft knockdowns then I don't really see the point, because there's not many unblockables setups off those, and there's already that 5f delayed wakeup and no quickrise option anyway. If it's off hard knockdowns then you might as well take hawk, gief and abel out of the game.

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I'm happy with tweeks and balances. I'm happy with the four announced characters. I'm nonplussed about the stages cos I don't like them and think they break the SF Universe, but they are only stages. I desperately want loads of new options throughout the game, most notably online rematch, ingame locking of the start button, and definitely ALL of Blazblues training options, as that game is a masterclass on training room options that SFIV has absolutely no excuse not to have incorporated by now.

What I absolutely DO NOT WANT are any more fighting mechanics.

DO YOU HEAR ME, CAPCOM?! NO MORE MECHANICS!

Are Capcom unaware of what the appeal of SFIV is? Purity of combat without getting bogged down with a mechanics arms race.

Oh God.

They're gonna cock it up, aren't they?!

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Heggwest Part 1

Team tournament write up to follow, plus footage of me getting bopped by Ixion and various other bonus odds and ends.

Another year, another wonderful Heggfest.

I can't thank Cale and Mrs. Cale enough for letting us all invade their lovely home for the weekend. You are the best.


Great to see everyone again and to meet IgTerminals for the first time. Joffo, Haggles, Hyper P, Plopboy, Choo and Goemon you were all missed, but all of you who did make it were on typically excellent and hilarious form. I was trying to think of particular funny moments but it's mostly a blur of laughing hard for most of the weekend.

I loved that for all the talk of extra stuff we could do and all the options we had, the end result was three Streetfighter IV set ups across two rooms. At one point before leaving I even had my Saturn packed with Bomberman ready to go but made the not-so-bold prediction that we would play Streetfighter almost exclusively. That said, it was fun to get in some Yatagarasu, Error1 Dive Kick, Volgar the Viking and even some cheeky Sunday morning games of Strekken during the few non-AE minutes we had to spare.

Many thanks to Alistarr for driving and for being excellent company on the latest Jellistarr road trip. The matching colours thing is going to keep happening because I have only recently realised that purple is the best colour when Alistarr had already done so. I loved that right at the end of the journey home we ended up discussing a theory fighter quandary and squeezed in twenty minutes of lab time to solve it before I caught my train back to Leeds. There isn’t really a better way to end the Heggwest weekender than that is there?

There was another good bit of on the spot science during some casual games over the weekend too. I had tried and failed to land Oni’s ultra 2 as an anti-air to punish bad jumps over my fireballs all weekend, accidentally getting EX uppercut every single time. I was putting this down to the game still reading the forward motion from my fireball input and then me being sloppy inputting ultra 2.

However, in the singles tournament I landed a double FADC combo ending in uppercut FADC ultra 2 to do exactly enough damage to win the round against Hegg. The fact that I was able to hit it in a clutch situation like that with clean inputs and with much stricter timing than for an anti-air led me to believe that I couldn’t have been missing the input on all twenty previous occasions. Then, when playing another Oni set against Allystah, I finally realised that what I was trying to do was impossible because the ultra cannot come out when there is still a fireball on screen. I felt both smart and stupid at the same time, but more importantly we stopped fighting and spent the next match doing some testing to make sure this was true and it was.

The moral of that long-winded tale is that USF4 simply must have online training mode!


Here are some assorted Heggwest fun things that I put on my list. I imagine the list of things I’ve left out would be just as long if not longer:

Imp one-upping Nate in the Switzerland pun stakes. Unfortunately I can’t remember the specifics of it but it was a very apt way to start the weekend.

P. Sagat, Ramen/Bandana Ryu and the whole AI saltybet + delicious burritos combination was an unexpected weekend highlight. Applying lots of nerdy FGC commentary to two beast mode AI fighters flailing about was absolutely hilarious. Purple Sagat was such an instant hit that he was drafted in for the team tournament and I expect we’ll see him again soon. Ramen Ryu’s set up of forward throw - > whiff fierce hadouken - > nothing was so, so good. Stealing the shit out of that. Funnily enough, when researching for the theory fighter quandary mentioned earlier, it emerged that Ken actually has a set up involving a whiffed hadouken. Stealing Ramen Ryu’s tech is such a Ken move.

Going to Sainsburys to get cash out and returning with an impulse bought 3DS game. Hegg talking about not having his toothbrush from his arrival right up until the Sainsburys trip on day two and then still failing to buy one.

Ig’s awesome stick, and Ig doing Guile’s Flash Kick FADC ultra 2 with the added pressure of an audience. Nicely done.

Joe bringing another crossword. You are the best Cruciverbalist/CROSSWORDMAN.

Nate’s James Chen impression.

Nate’s commentary. “I love an air throw finish” “Jason smells perfect” “Have you tried kicking/punching/doing him?”

Suggesting that Infiltration’s notes just say “Do ‘im” in Korean.

Rooftop crew. Many thanks to all involved.

Hegg and Donut’s escalating trash talk and extremely late FT10 set.

Hegg’s indignation at my extended Dudley juggle combos.

Seeing how hungry for games everybody was, particularly those who haven’t played much lately or don’t get to play as often as they’d like to. I particularly enjoyed Cale saying goodnight to everyone and then playing “one more” against Camel for another forty five minutes.

Imp’s signature devil-on-the-shoulder advice. Timer scaaaaaam! Also Imp’s “Hard Reads” becoming one of many weekend catchphrases. Oh, and dropping the clanger that was “Yunlucky” during the team tournament.

The rooftop crew discussion of us exchanging tales of Joffo doing lovely generous things for us and how he makes us all feel like bad people, only for Nate to trump it with “try not shaking his hand”.

Imp’s esports monitor being too real for all of us. Also playing Dive Kick on said monitor. Camel and Imp were both completely on board with it by the end of the first game. Stupid Iron Galaxy ruining Dive Kick.

Playing Yatagarasu with imp on translation duty and Donut immediately going to Universal Overhead infinites. That game never disappoints.

Getting to fight Donut’s Makoto, and better still see just how beastly it is when he’s not fighting me and everything goes out the window because we’ve played 10,000 games. Hayate cancelling everything. Everything. So many buttons. Beautiful stuff. I swear some of the Makoto and Yun stuff you were doing was new to me. Perhaps it has been too long. I have a PS3 stick now though, so perhaps I will double dip and we can do fightings that way.

Getting to play some incredibly close, footsies-based games against Imp. I’ve missed those.

Getting to play against Hegg, who hasn’t lost a step. JLM vs Imp with the winner to fight Hegg

Joe Plus’ Rose. I think you’ve levelled up a lot and at least two other people independently said you were the most improved player since last year when I asked who they’ve enjoyed playing against/watching. Missed Ultra 2’s and not enough crouching fierce anti-airs were the biggest misses, but you know that already and I was more impressed with your disciplined ground game and patience than critical of your mistakes.

Picking up so much swag! Thank you so much to Nate for the Dive Kick tee and for securing those prizes from Capcom. I thought I might be getting a free t-shirt but I never would have dreamt of walking away with a new stick as well! Amazing. Thank you. Big big thanks to Imp for the Megaman t-shirt and Scott Nuskool for the KidRobot Honda and key ring. What an amazing haul, you guys are all too kind.

Watching Alistarr’s Rufus and seeing everyone get hit by all the filthy set ups he has these days. When we played in the tournament I was amazed at how much of this stuff I can block on instinct now and it was a joy to behold everyone else getting mixed up. Alistarr is also one of rllmuk’s most improved players, and in his case I like to hog a small part of the credit for that because we train together quite a bit.

Hegg. Ahhh Hegg. You are my outright favourite opponent and outright least favourite opponent at the same time, and I mean that in the best possible way. What a grand finals set that was. Amazing. I would say it’s a shame you don’t play so often these days, but it seems like the time off has barely caused you to miss a step, so if I can at least get my one or two mentally exhausting sets per year then I can be content with that. Oh, and that set in winners you won 2-0 was super free and I apologise for not giving you enough credit for that because I was too busy being mad at myself.

The singles tournament. Everything was great, but the highlights from my own run were the marathon grand finals set against Hegg and the set against Alistarr that ended with Alistarr botching a timer scam thanks in large part to Imp.

Part 2 coming very soon.

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If we're doing upgrade wishlists, we need set-based lobbies, or just a complete rip-off of Challonge or something, where you can have tournaments based on FT3s, winner-stays-on lobbies based on FT5s, or whatever. I believe SFIV has a "Tournament Mode" but it's been ages since I tried it - I think it's just single game winner-stays-on stuff... :(

Oh, and I was kind of disappointed with the replay features of AE/2012; I thought they might allow replay data to be shared between players, rather than having the whole "come to my channel and watch this" thing. I mean, I'm guessing the replays are just input data so the files can't be that huge. Right? :unsure:

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The team tournament. Ohh boy the team tournament. What an inspired move this was. Props to Hegg for campaigning for it because it was the best thing ever. Team selection, pre-game team talks, coaching, theorising and trash talking during the games, mind games both inside and outside of the game and the fact that the one game format transforms the game so spectacularly. Absolute gold. Leaving ourselves ample time to let this idea breathe and hash out the rules and get everything sorted once the srs business singles tournament was over was the best decision of the weekend.

Loved the coaching during these games right from the start. One of the joys of Heggwest is being surrounded by people who not only have a common interest but also like to think about the game and get a bit analytical. Coaching can make so much difference, particularly in a one game set where the audience are much more likely to notice something that’s killing you before you do, and the sooner that gets pointed out the better. There was one game where Donut was fighting Joe, they were on even life and Joe activated Ultra 2. Donut started dashing and jumping away and Joe started rushing in to chase him down. A couple of us quickly calling on Donut to just block and take the chip made all the difference when the pressure of the one game situation could have made him throw the round away. There were so many little instances like that throughout and it’s a big part of what makes team tournaments great.

“Save your meter”, “just block”, “stop jumping”. All this stuff that you know but will get through to you so much more quickly and clearly if you have an extra set of eyes watching you play.

Here are the battle logs:

Teams exhibition 1:

Team A:

Hegg ( Dee Jay)
Donut (Yun)
Imp (Adon)
IgTerminals (Guile)
NuSkool (Ryu)
Cale (Abel)

Team B:

JLM (Oni)
Alistarr (Rufus)
Nate (Ken)
Joeplus (Rose)
Camel (Dhalsim)

Battle log (winners in bold):

Set 1

Igterminals vs Camel
Igterminals vs Joeplus
Igterminals vs Alistarr
Igterminals vs Nate
Nuskool vs Nate
Cale vs Nate
Imp vs Nate
Donut vs Nate
Donut vs JLM
Hegg vs JLM

Impressively dominant start from Ig before The Bristol Pistol turned the whole thing on its head with a four win streak. If he hadn't have stopped Ig I'd have been left with the task of attempting to reverse OCV the entire team, so props for that. Lovely to see Nate go on a run like this as I so rarely get to play against him or watch him play these days. The pressure of the single game environment was telling here, with Imp losing to Nate by dropping his max damage Adon combo after barely dropping anything all weekend. There’s a lot to be said for putting a run together in a set like this. Getting a couple of games in a row and staying warm is a huge plus, and the more wins you get the more pressure your next opponent will be under.

Set 2:

Igterminals vs P. Sagat

Igterminals vs Joeplus

Igterminals vs Nate

Igterminals vs Alistarr

Imp vs Alistarr

Hegg vs Alistarr

Nuskool vs Alistarr

Cale vs Alistarr

Donut vs Alistarr

Another strong start from Ig. Fighting P. Sagat with an audience is a nerve-wracking experience and he did well to overcome it. He also added standing MK anti-airs against Nate to frustrate him on the way in. Then Allystah came in OCV’d the entire team. I was more hype for this than my own singles tournament win. Responding to Ig’s anti-dive kick buttons by switching up the timing, getting the win against his tournament nemesis and immediately following that up with a win over Hegg. Quite the performance, and bonus points for drawing Hegg out early by claiming that he didn’t know how to fight Dee Jay.

The game against cale was spectacular too. I can’t believe I’ve never thought to focus crumple the overhead Messiah kick ender before, but cale did it twice in this set and on both occasions went for cr. Fierce into ultra and narrowly missed it. The first one in particular missed by pixels, and I guess it’s a testament to my unhealthy stream viewing habits that I was the only person in the room telling Alistarr to quick rise during the ultra flash. He didn’t, however, as he was quite rightly staring at cale in disbelief for reacting with the focus and getting the crumple in the first place.

Teams exhibition 2:

Team A:

IgTerminals (Guile)

NuSkool (Ryu)

Nate (Ken)

JLM (Chun)

Donut (Makoto)

Camel (Honda)

Team B:

Imp (Ryu)

Hegg (Guile)

Joeplus (Rose)

Cale (Makoto)

Alistarr (Rufus)

P. Sagat (Sagat)

Battle log (winners in bold):

Set 1

NuSkool vs P. Sagat

Nuskool vs Joeplus

Camel vs Joeplus

IgTerminals vs Joeplus

Donut vs Joeplus

Donut vs Cale

Donut vs Hegg

Donut vs Imp

Donut vs Alistarr

Yeah! Winning without playing! I am the best! He wasn’t on my team but I was pleased to see Joe put a run together here as his play deserved it. Particularly chuffed to see him get the win over Ig this time as he had lost to him in both of the previous sets despite winning their singles tournament match. Heroic stuff from NuSkool beating P. Sagat too. Again, fighting him with the whole room willing you to lose is very scary. After that it was the Donut show. Beast mode engaged, nobody safe. You think you’re doing OK, then Donut does something deliciously max damage-y and stun-y the first opening you give him, then the next mix up is dizzy, the it’s game over. A joy to watch.

Set 2

Donut vs Hegg

Donut vs Alistarr

JLM vs Alistarr

JLM vs Imp

JLM vs Cale

JLM vs JoePlus

JLM vs P. Sagat

We decided to leave Donut up here because of his scintillating form and because his back and forth trash talking with Hegg was proving to be very entertaining. Alistarr took him out next and I was nominated to step in and put us back on course. Felt good to put a run together with Chun after getting murdered by Hegg in singles. Once again, fighting P. Sagat with everyone cheering for him was terrifying. I completely forgot I still had team mates left and that NuSkool had already beaten P. Sagat earlier. Losing this was unthinkable and I very nearly did. Had to resort to building ultra and punishing his inevitable stream of tiger shots because I was too scared to attempt anything else.

A fantastic event this, and it was lovely to see a variety of players getting some shine here. I didn’t have much voice left on Sunday morning and it was largely thanks to this team tournament madness. Same again next time please, this was outstanding.

Other things!!!!

1) Everybody watch the Capcom Cup Korea qualifier. Momochi and other non-Korean killers in attendance alongside Infiltration and co. Also Infiltration busts out his Oni and it is amazing. He has some TINGS that OverMostHeads has immediately stolen. I won't spoil what they are but there is one in particular that blew my tiny mind. If you don't want to watch the whole thing, the moment in question is below at 3:40 but be warned that THIS CLIP IS FROM THE TOURNAMENT AND THEREFORE A MASSIVE SPOILER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vCn2MUT6RTQ#t=212

So good. What's even better is that OverMostHeads posted a link on Facebook of him doing the same thing on reaction to a full screen EX Barcelona from Vega. It is jaw dropping but sadly the video is private. Sure we'll be seeing lots more of that trick soon anyway

2) Everybody watch me get bodied by Ixion!

I was really really chuffed with that first round, so the rest of it wasn't too disheartening. Rounds two and three were gifted to him because he went straight to frame traps and I couldn't stop pressing buttons. He could tell I was nervous and blew me up for it. Fair enough, he is really really good. Huge thanks to NuSkool for recording it too:

I needed to come up with an answer to air Dan Kicks. The air grab at the end of the first round (that one was also for you Nate) is something I should have gone back to, and I probably should have back dashed a good few of the rest of them. I dunno, it's hard to prepare for a Dan of that calibre really.

3) OverMostHeads and Smug have had a FT10 and it will be on YogaFlame24's channel soon. OMH said it was his favourite set ever. Cannot wait to see it.

4) This is becoming an OverMostHeads love-in post, but seriously, check out what he does to this Adon. Holy shit:

Aaand I'm out.

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Sooo ... ended up getting there really late. There were about 20 guys in the console room playing various fighting games but it wasn't very interesting so we spent the evening playing Third Strike, Alpha 2, Rival Schools, Puzzle Fighter and Tetris and I nearly beat the Bomb Jack high score. God I love that game and can still remember all the lit bomb patterns.

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Man, that comment before the spoiler tags above was really really stupid. A spoiler warning that spoiled the exact thing it was warning about. Brilliant. Apologies for that, I was very tired yesterday. Edited now.

I did training in SFXT and went to my friend's house to trade Pokeymans yesterday. It was good, but I'd have preferred to try out that new Oni tech instead of the Strekken. Also I cannot for the life of me hit the optimal Paul Phoenix tag combo that's listed on SRK and I can't find a video of someone else doing it to get the timing. It's maddening.

Also Mario 3D World is game of the year already. November pay day a Wii U and that game shall be mine.

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Oh it's been taken down now. Dang. Other people have re-upped it a bunch of times, but just in case Cafeid are on a mad copyright enforcement spree, I shall describe it:

It was in grand finals against Momochi. Infiltration Oni vs Momochi Yun. He knocked Momochi down, stepped back and then did a neutral jump that was blatantly not a safe jump. Momochi duly responded with wake up up kicks and, just as it got to its peak, Infiltration did MP air dash buffered into air fireball ultra and killed him. It was so beautiful I nearly cried. Shortly afterwards, OMH posted a video of him doing the same thing to a Vega who did EX Barcelona at full screen, which was even more ridiculous because of the speed of that move.

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Also Mario 3D World is game of the year already. November pay day a Wii U and that game shall be mine.

Oh man, I just watched the new trailer and it's disgusting.

two things completely destroyed me watching that:

1. The fireballs travelling through the pipe! Yess!

2. Mario wearing the carcass of his fallen enemy.

Actually, three things...

3. How terrifying Mario saying "Meow" is.

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Since seeing Cat Mario stalking a bird or whatever I've been on media blackout, kind of like a cutesy version of how I've been avoiding new Dark Souls 2 information since seeing that mirror...thing. I'm pretty excited.

So far on our Wii U we've played about half an hour each of W101 and Pikmin. W101is like Bayonetta: Cartoon Network Edition. Pikmin is like Pikmin. More of this kind of insightful analysis to follow.

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1) Everybody watch the Capcom Cup Korea qualifier.

Other things from this beside the one thing:

Imp: Momochi used kara focus to win a round against Yun.

Heggwest crew: Infiltration does the B. Ryu setup in his first game against Momochi - sadly it didn't pay off for him, though.

Akuma mirrors were ridiculous.

Also: Momochi vs Hoodaman was like watching JLM vs Hegg. Hoodaman played so well for about seven games and then just kind of freaked out a bit I think and lost confidence in his instincts/decisions. Really surprisingly close match though especially after the aforementioned Akuma mirrors demonstrating what good form Momochi was in. Good stuff Hoodaman.

The one thing:

I told you air ultra was godlike!

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Yer man Dawgtanian was just saying on twitter that we oughta be "ready" at 2am since there will be "something to discuss" (but not the fifth UDFIV character). Imagine.

What's yer funny name on Miiverse, Allystarrs? Do any of you others secretly have a Wii U? The new Mario trailer is the best thing I have ever seen in my entire week.

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I tried for plain old "alistair" but that was taken, so I think it's just "alistarr". I fear it may have already entered the PS3 zone, though, and become another console I buy, play with for half an hour and then my partner uses while I play Street Fighter.

I'll be back for Mario though so yes, add me up!

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SFO Rival Scenes is on Sunday. I am nervous. Looks like it'll be:

Team SFO 1
Team SFO 2
Manchester Battle Arena
Teeside Fight Club
SF Fiends a/k/a Team Bradford
Electronic Dojo (Birmingham)
Team Sheffield
Edge Hill Uni fighting game society

Manchester team has WyWyWyWy, Strider, Fuzzy, Ironclad Stu and, from out of retirement, Shinji. Not a bad team at all that. Electronic Dojo has Jinty's Ken. Bradford team has OverMostHeads and Domihy. Teeside has White Daigo and Hadoshrooms. No idea who's on the Sheffield and EHU teams. SFO 2 is a reserve team becaue Birmingham 2 and Lancashire Battle league had to pull out. Personally I'd be realy pleased it the turn out on the day is even close to what's listed there. Eight teams and forty players would be a magnificent organisational effort for SFO and Ty has been working incredibly hard trying to get this thing together. Definitely more nervous for him and anxious that people don't flake than I am about playing.

Team SFO shirts have been printed up. They are purple! Team Jellistarr's sponsors will be overjoyed.

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