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blipwoo

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I think part of the blame lies with the balancing too. The SF4 scene constantly surprises me in terms of what characters are being used at high level. I never imagined I'd see a

Gen win evo and a hakan match in the top 8, for example

(evo spoiler!)

Granted I've seen far less of sf3 play, but it always seems to be yun, chun, ken or urine*, fishing for blows until one has super, the trying to hit confim into it. I can't help thinking that if they'd at least tried to rebalance OE, we might be seeing more of it today:(

*I meant to type Urien here, but it made me chuckle, so i'm leaving it in:)

Oh, and Ryus favourite song is 4'33.

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Sadly Tyagi has this morning become the second person (that I've seen - I've stayed out of the thread most of the week, but dipped back in yesterday and it seemed safe) to give away the winner. Hmph.

I don't see how I gave away the winner. I spoilered the URL link so that the domain name was hidden.

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Yeah, the execution in 3S is definitely a thing, certainly for me with my flailing. Such a fussy game, why won't it understand that ↓↘↓↘→↗↓↙↓↘→↓↘→↙←+P should be a perfectly acceptable motion for super?

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JLM

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I think the point about the gulf between top players and new players in 3S creating a barrier of entry is true, but I disagree that execution is the main thing putting people off. I think it's simply that the game came out before the SFIV fighting game boom and there are too many other games to be playing. MVC2 has died out as a competitive game for the same reasons. The old players have moved on to the new games and the new players got their start on the new games. Picking up an essentially dead game that has over a decade of meta-game to pick up is frankly too much to ask of a lot of people.

KOFXIII is a significantly higher execution game than Third Strike and it still has decent numbers because everyone who wanted to give it a bash could do so on day one with a relatively level playing field. If you pick up Third Strike right now you have a years upon years of catching up to do, a tiny tournament scene, very little local competition and an online scene full of absolute killers.

I personally think SFIV has easily as much to learn in terms of strategy as 3S if not more (I fully agree with Viscant's criticism of 3S that parrying massively, massively limits the number of viable strategies), but people picked it up when it came out and have stuck with it over a period of several years because they were there on day one.

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Good games to you both, the sirs. :)

I liked where yer Guile was facing off against Jellum's Vega and the claw was knocked off in the centre while you both retreated to take a corner each and crouch block for a good few seconds before Jellum strolled up and took the claw back then retreated again. I laughed.

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I think the point about the gulf between top players and new players in 3S creating a barrier of entry is true, but I disagree that execution is the main thing putting people off. I think it's simply that the game came out before the SFIV fighting game boom and there are too many other games to be playing. MVC2 has died out as a competitive game for the same reasons. The old players have moved on to the new games and the new players got their start on the new games. Picking up an essentially dead game that has over a decade of meta-game to pick up is frankly too much to ask of a lot of people.

KOFXIII is a significantly higher execution game than Third Strike and it still has decent numbers because everyone who wanted to give it a bash could do so on day one with a relatively level playing field. If you pick up Third Strike right now you have a years upon years of catching up to do, a tiny tournament scene, very little local competition and an online scene full of absolute killers.

I personally think SFIV has easily as much to learn in terms of strategy as 3S if not more (I fully agree with Viscant's criticism of 3S that parrying massively, massively limits the number of viable strategies), but people picked it up when it came out and have stuck with it over a period of several years because they were there on day one.

Yeah, I'd agree with all of that.
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Ryu:

Pre-Street Fighter

As a very young child, Ryu was orphaned and left with no memories about his parents, and whether they were still alive. He was found and adopted by a man named Gouken who raised Ryu in his secluded dojo and trained Ryu in the ways of his martial arts. Shortly afterwards, Gouken would later train his best friend's spoiled son, Ken Masters. Ken served not only as a sparring partner, but also gave Ryu a friend in the form of a boy his own age. Ryu looked up to Gouken as a father figure, and regards Ken as his best friend and surrogate brother, a relationship which remains to this day. When Ryu was 23 years old,[citation needed] Gouken believed that Ryu was ready to travel the world in order to test and hone his martial skills against the best fighters from around the world. With this, Ryu left Gouken's dojo, and headed to fight in the World Warrior tournament.

Street Fighter

Ryu is one of the participants of the World Warrior tournament. After defeating all challengers, Ryu's skills earn him the right to fight its host, Sagat. Sagat nearly beats Ryu into unconsciousness and, thinking he had won, drops his guard to help Ryu up. Ryu, however, having such a strong desire to win, allows himself to be engulfed by the Satsui no Hado and he strikes Sagat with a nearly-fatal Metsu Shoryuken that not only knocks Sagat unconscious but also marks his chest with a great scar. After regaining consciousness and discovering what had happened, Sagat swears vengeance on Ryu.

Street Fighter Alpha 2

Ryu leaves Sagat behind and returns to his home only to find that Gouken, his master and adoptive father, has apparently been murdered. Learning that Akuma had fought and supposedly killed his adopted father, Ryu began to travel the world to find this man.

He encounters and fights Akuma on a secluded island known as Gokuentou, but Akuma was only testing him. He senses that Ryu has the same powers as he does, and tells Ryu about the Satsui no Hado - a power that consumes the practitioners of their shared fighting style, driving them to win even when it means killing the opponent. Akuma then uses his fist to smash the island, leaving Ryu stranded.

Sometime after escaping the island, Ryu battles Ken and loses. Ken realizes Ryu is not himself and has been deeply troubled since his last victory over Sagat. He gives him his red hairband as a reminder to stay focused, which Ryu was sincerely grateful for. Soon thereafter, a fan of his, named Sakura, comes up and expresses her desire to train under him. Ryu replies that he himself still has much to learn, but allows Sakura to take a picture of him. She swears to make him accept her eventually.

At some point during all this, Ryu is found by Sagat who is out for a grudge match. Ryu protests that Sagat hasn't fully recovered from their last bout, but Sagat persists. Ryu lets Sagat win rather than do any further damage, and Sagat leaves. Only later, upon reflection, does Sagat realize that Ryu held back, vowing to fight him again.[2]

Street Fighter Alpha 3

Two years later, Ryu continues to be troubled by what Akuma had told him, compounded by his encounter withRose, who has intricate ties to M. Bison. She tells him that he cannot defeat Bison unless he fights him at the cost of his soul. True to form, when Ryu confronts Bison, he is defeated despite putting up a valiant fight. Bison takes the semi-conscious Ryu and begins brainwashing him, using the revelation that the Satsui no Hado - the dark power Ryu struggles to avoid using - is akin to Bison's own Psycho Power.

This scene is interrupted by the entrance of Sagat, Ken, and Sakura, each of them having followed Ryu for their own reasons. While Ken and Sakura distract Bison, Sagat challenges the brainwashed Ryu (different versions of this story coexist; in one version, Sagat is offered this battle as an enticement to stay with Shadaloo). Sagat quickly notices the effects Bison's brainwashing have had on Ryu, and, at Sagat's urging, Ryu comes to his senses to confront and defeats Bison, destroying him temporarily.

Super Street Fighter II Turbo

During the World Warrior tournament, Ryu enters to test his skills, and defeats many of the new warriors. He encourages Ken to re-enter as well. However, it is unknown how far Ryu himself progressed in the tournament, although it is implied he may have lost to Ken.

Super Street Fighter IV

Sometime after the second World Warrior tournament, Ryu enters into a new tournament to further master his skills as well as reunite with his longtime friend Ken for another rematch. During his journey he meets up with Sakura whom he encourages to train harder. Meanwhile Ryu also meets up with a former rival Sagat and remembers the promised rematch as they fought. During the final round with the Tournament Host Seth (actually a copy of him), he defeats him in the S.I.N. headquarters. During and after this battle the building fell around them as Ryu unleashed the Satsui no Hado on the BLECE machine, a weapon of mass destruction developed by S.I.N. that harnessed the energy in the human body[3].

During this, Sakura - who has been searching for Ryu - finds him and the BLECE machine, and a pulse of energy from it knocks her into a wall. Ryu defends her by unleashing a Shoryuken on the machine, and they leave the building together, the weapon destroyed[4].

He then encounters Gouken, who has in fact survived his last battle with Akuma, and Gouken uses the "Power of Nothingness" to seal the Satsui no Hado which is eating at Ryu, knocking him unconscious[5]. Akuma then arrives on the scene to challenge his brother for a death duel, the winner of which will claim "the cub" (meaning Ryu)[6]. The outcome of the duel is unknown but, since Ryu is later seen free of Dark Hado's influence, it is very likely that either Gouken won or the battle ended in a draw (possibly interrupted).

Later, Ryu and Ken chase their long-lost master along a cliff face, with Ken wanting Gouken to stick around while Ryu wishes him well. Afterwards, he and Ken trek through the desert while Rufus mocks them on his motorcycle, though it later breaks down and he is left pushing it while Ryu and Ken finally reach Ken's jeep. Ryu later bids Sakura farewell as she, Dan and Blanka leave for home on a cruise ship. Some time later, having decided that his battles have made him stronger, he meets a now-older Sakura. What happens next is unknown,[7] although Gouken might have taught Ryu the Shin Shoryuken and Denjin Hadoken at some point before Street Fighter III.

Street Fighter III

Years later, Ryu enters the third World Warrior tournament to further advance his fighting abilities. His most notable fight during the tournament is against Hugo, who is able to withstand his Shin Shoryuken and hold his own. Though disputed if canon or not, he is defeated by Oro, and continues his travels afterward.

Shortly after the tournament, Ryu meets up with Ken for a friendly match, from which Ryu emerges the victor (canon in question). He also serves as Hugo's pro-wrestling tag-team partner for a brief period of time before moving on.

At some point, he encounters Alex, whom he solidly defeats. Ryu encourages the young wrestler to continue honing his abilities against strong opponents. Fascinated by Ryu's skill and determined to become stronger, Alex soon sets out to find Ryu for a rematch.

Though disputed if canon or not, Oro eventually finds Ryu and begins aiding the young warrior in his training, though Ryu is never aware of the hermit's presence.

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Ryu took up martial arts and adapted his image to resemble Daniel Larusso after watching The Karate Kid a whole 3 times. After going to see the 2010 remake just one day after it's cinema release, Ryu went to the hairdressers and enquired how much Braiding would cost - upon hearing this Dee Jay (sitting next to him) gave him a stern look and Ryu decided to just get the usual.

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Nate Dogg III

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RYU IS BORING

I don't see how I gave away the winner. I spoilered the URL link so that the domain name was hidden.


Sadly,

I know from reading your posts whereabouts (roughly) you live so the mere mention of 'local paper' gave it away. I already knew anyway, but it didn't matter really. Not knowing who he beat or who else was in top 8 was more important.



I finally finished Top 8 last night. What a week of Street Fighter. I took some notes like some kind of amateur Jason and will type up some thoughts later on.

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