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I was going to spend the afternoon hiding in the spare room playing Street Fighter on my laptop but instead I've spent it playing Super Hexagon. I've "finished" 5 of the 6 stages now! The 6th is impossible though and Imp and Choo must have hacked their games to last longer than ten seconds on it.

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the railyard stage in AE is delightfully stereo when the train whooshes past. I don't know if it's 5.1 as well though. I think I remember something about some of the music being mixed for surround sound (maybe from when I was looking for PC mods) but it may have been a mysterious dream.

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Alistarr was a wee gent and helped me get Batman Arkham Asylum for under 3 quid fae that xbox sale after my wild error issues. Good times. I wonder if AE will be that cheap? Haha. I'd buy it again, then I'd have yet another copy to give to someone who won't play it!

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Well, I did quite well and terribly in equal measure.

Won my first set 2:0 against a Cammy. Match was ok, nothing worth mentioning tho.

Lost my second set 0:2 against a very good Boxer.

Won third set against a solid Vega 2:1. I just played even more solidly used some basic tech I developed earlier this week. So glad I did, won me the set.

Won my forth set against a good Rufus 2:0. Kept him out, punished his mistakes and beat him with a backthrow safejump set up, punishing his ex messiah with ex flashkick. Then chipped him out with Ultra 2 all on a live stream. Was very happy with that.

Lost fifth set to a good Dudley 1:2. Lost the first match but was solid. Won the second by playing very solid and keeping him out, then totally lost it on the third for no real reason. Ex booms repeatedly thrown from unsafe distances, just shoddy play all on live stream. Really pissed off with myself for that.

Lost sixth set to Feurte 0:2. Actually won a round each match but again some shoddy play including 2 wakeup Ultras that got me punished. I think I'd lost heart after the terrible last Dudley match tho, and this set was directly after.

So... That was my day.

Thanks to Jellum and Alistar for their help in teaching me the Rufus and Dudley matches, tho. Helped a great deal. :-)

Thanks guys.

Thighs.

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Alistarr was a wee gent and helped me get Batman Arkham Asylum for under 3 quid fae that xbox sale after my wild error issues. Good times. I wonder if AE will be that cheap? Haha. I'd buy it again, then I'd have yet another copy to give to someone who won't play it!

I'm waiting patiently for ae. I'm fed up keep taking the disc in and out, I want a digital copy.

Frivolous? Meh.

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Good stuff on the tournament matches, Terminals. Tournaments are fun. I'm kinda gutted that I would be able to play SSFIV AE at the glasgow Hypespotting tournament as the pools are during my work hours. I could play 3rd strike, but that's 3 on 3, so I'd need two other humans to join me.

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The trouble with tournaments is that everyone except the eventual winner ends their run on a loss. That sounds like a great showing though, so well done! Is there a stream archive on which we can witness your moments of glory?

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Can I ask a question? The quote below, with regards uppercutting during combos, is this bad etiquette or something? If it stuffs someone's combos, why would you not do it?

Then I tried to get some endless games and the only dude I could find was fully committed to uppercutting during every combo I tried.

Am i being dense? It just seems a bit like you (the royal "you", this isnt a dig or anything) expect the opponent to stand by and allow you to take a load of energy off them once you have initiated a combo.

Apologies if I'm misunderstanding.

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The sentence after that one is key.

Alistarr took advantage of the guy mashing DP by divekicking, LK, LK then blocking. DP mash guy would then sail into the air allowing Alistarr to punish every time.

So the criticism is really that the guy was predictable and thus easy to beat. Also he didn't learn from his mistakes and just kept doing it.

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You can't mash to stop someone's combo; if they hit it correctly then you have no choice no matter how hard you mash. You're mashing in the hope that they drop the combo and your reversal will then come out. There are times when you probably would be silly not to do it in a play to win tournament situation, but in a longer endless set where you're both just practising it can feel a bit unsporting. Mashing so that your opponent gets hit for attempting a more difficult combo and messing it up isn't really outplaying them or improving your game. It also creates the slightly silly mindgame of intentionally dropping your combos so you can block and punish the uppercut, which isn't going to improve your game much aside from getting better at beating incessant mashers. Good players will still mash during combos at times, particularly in tournaments or when they have nothing to lose and it's better than doing nothing just in case the opponent messes up, but they're unlikely to do it during every combo and will often at least take the life/meter situation into account.

Mashing or trying to reversal during gaps in an opponents pressure/block strings/reset/counter hit attempts is expected, and the person applying said pressure should be considering it as they attack, so if you eat a mashed reversal because your block string wasn't tight or you got predictable then that's fair enough. You need to get a read on the opponent's tendencies, bait and punish them a few times and see if they adapt or if you can condition them or if they're just not thinking at all.

In either scenario, if the opponent is mashing reversals every single time you land a hit or make them block something the game gets massively dumbed down and neither player gets any better at it.

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Nice, thanks JLM. I guess the best outcome as you say, is that it forces you to tighten your combo execution so that it can't be interrupted by speculative mashing.

Spashing.

Yeah, exactly - if I don't want to get uppercutted through my combo then I could just actually sit down for a few hours or whatever and grind out my combo until I can do it every time and I'd not have to worry about it again! And I have no qualms about mashing being unsporting or whatever and will happily do it myself as often as I can get away with it, but if I do it then - given that I spend most of my time playing with people from this thread who are usually able to pick up on that stuff - I expect it to become part of the mind game and expect my opponent to be looking to bait me into doing it again.

But my complaint on the other page wasn't really that the guy was playing incorrectly, because everyone starts out knowing nothing and gradually builds their knowledge, but that he was the only other guy I could find to play against and we were essentially playing different games - he was still playing the "press your best button at all times" version of street fighter and I was playing the "I know what your best button is and I know how to make it not your best button any more" version. I sent him a nice message praising the good stuff he did and pointing out how I was beating him, so if he wants to get better then he can do so and if he doesn't then he can carry on playing the game how he wants.

They should employ me to name the next version of SSF4. No more of this ver.20XX nonsense. Super Street Fighter 4 I Know What Your Best Button Is And I Know How To Make It Not Your Best Button Any More Except If You're Chun Li Because Your Buttons Are All Pretty Solid Edition.

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They should employ me to name the next version of SSF4. No more of this ver.20XX nonsense. Super Street Fighter 4 I Know What Your Best Button Is And I Know How To Make It Not Your Best Button Any More Except If You're Chun Li Because Your Buttons Are All Pretty Solid Edition.

Fixed. Then again, that makes it sound like it's sponsored by Cadbury or something...

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My excitement for catching up with the WGC just trebled now that F-Word commentary is confirmed. Doooon't backdash blad.

I have been playing AE since 10:45 this morning and have only just stopped. Was at Sunday Face Off from 10AM til 4PM, then five of us decided that six hours wasn't quite enough so we went and played for a further five at the home of the Oni player who knocked me out of the tournament last weekend. We reconfigured his living room to allow for two set ups as well, so there was only ever one person not playing the whole time. I've been thoroughly enjoying this long run of offline fighter I've had lately and I can already feel the benefit it's having on my game. Hoping to get some mid week games in as well in preparation for the tournament on the 17th..

Today's highlights included showing a new Gouken player that reset I adore so much and him being all impressed and stuff, and also fishing for Dudley overhead teleports all day because the reactions it gets are hilarious. Allystah, I played Chun vs Sagat against the guy who won the tournament last week and it ended up 4-4. He's very good but he refused to respect my ultra 1 reactions. Him exclaiming "the man's psychic!" was almost as pleasing as Imp dubbing it The JLEye. Almost, but not quite. He's a nice guy and will hopefully be coming down most weeks in future.

Also in the first game I did what I do against every uppercut user to test the waters: Forward throw - > meaty fireball - > walk up - > wait for uppercut. He did the uppercut and he was like "I can't believe you baited me! Every Chun ever presses a button there! and I was like "I know right!?" and we then talked about how you turn that situation into a mix up and, against smart players, earn the right to go in and try for a throw or frame trap there when you don't really have a right to. Essentially he confirmed immediately that he's putting some thought into all of those little situations and that makes him my kind of player.

Oh, and I played a bunch of Dan, highlighted by landing this:

Neutral jump fierce - > Close standing rondhouse - > cr. MP - > Fireball - > FADC - > close standing MP - > cr. MP - > Fireball - > FADC - > close standing MP - > Roundhouse Dan kicks.

I almost turned around instinctively to look for Joffo's approval even though he's far, far away.

I'm tempted to start playing Marvel with the SFO guys too as they're incredibly enthusiastic and all trying to both raise their own games and improve the standard of the group as a whole. Every time someone lands their new bit of trickery they tell their opponent how it works and how to beat it, and if their opponent misses a punish or is repeatedly making the same mistake they will almost always point it out and offer advice. They talk shit and have money matches and do all the usual salty Marvel stuff, but there's a strong emphasis on helping each other get better and it seems like a great place to learn. I'll have to at least check the command list for my new character first though.

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