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Just curious who here is going to Hypespotting in April? I've pretty much decided I'm going to make the trip and will book everything in the morning. It'll leave me deep out of pocket but I really want to go. I'm probably not even going to play Street Fighter (Smash player) but I don't know anywhere else on here where people talk about these things so I'm posting here. That said I'll probably still enter a fighting game even though I'm more a fanboy of them than a serious player.

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I've just done my sign up. Smash 4, Melee, 3rd Strike and Kof13. I'm giving myself 4 months to prepare for this so not going 0-2 in the fighting games should be an achievable goal, as will getting a positive win/loss record in smash. I'm taking the train there on the Friday and staying until the Monday so I down for meets ups and stuff.

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Might it be because of Capcom's push of Street Fighter V? I don't know how much say they'd have in the Evo line-up but I expect they'd want to ensure Street Fighter V is the premier game.

I'm interested in seeing how Ultra fares after Street Fighter V has had time to settle.

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There will surely be at least a side tournament for it. There are tournaments for everything at Evo and there will still be a ton of IV players up for playing it. So many people are so good at SFIV now and it's an absolutely outstanding game. I doubt it'll be completely squashed during the first year of V, it just won't be the main event any more. I'll miss it being the main event though. There's a lot to like about V and I am excited for it, but right now I still obviously have a lot more love for SFIV after seven years of being absolutely obsessed with it.

In amongst the doom and gloom I must say it warms the heart to see Mahvel in the line up. Still my second favourite tournament game and its tournaments have been so exciting recently. A few of the established old heads stepping away from it and the rise of some outstanding new players have made for some wonderfully refreshing top 8 brackets. You still have an occasional moment of the established gods spoiling the party (though seeing the new blood facing them on the big stage is great too), but you also get DualKevin's Deadpool team making grand finals, Jesse making top 8s with Captain America and other such fun. Very excited for Mahvel at Evo this year.

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In SF4's first year there were official tournaments for both HD Remix and 3s, though the latter was a 2v2 thing.

For me it's hard not to see the 2016 line up as part of a trend to move away from doing what serves the community best (in this case picking games based on what the community plays) and towards what suits sponsors and business interests (in this case picking games based on expected stream viewership and publisher interest) - but then I've thought as much about everything from James Chen arguing stream monsters are important to Capcom Cup being effectively an invitational rather than an open, so I have previous form for mistrusting the direction that the community's "leaders" seem to want to travel. It looks depressingly like the biggest tournament organisers are now more interested in securing your eyeballs as a target for advertising than in encouraging your active participation in the community as a player.

But ah, don't listen to me - I am old and this world belongs to the young.

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I don't really consider Evo a community event anymore (Pokken doesn't even have a scene), it's going full on esports, which is fine I guess but it is a shame that it means ignoring old games in favour of pushing new releases. esports is a weird thing anyway, in real sports we treat the one game/competition/activity as it's own sport, in games we replace the existing titles with newer ones even though they are often radically different things (to use an example rugby union and rugby league are different things, if they were competitive games one would have replaced the other).

This is one thing I have to give the smash bros scene some credit for, they are succeeding in pushing both Melee and Smash 4 as these big esports attractions, they have even started making steps to try and expand the Smash Bros 64 community, there have been some "dead" games on the way but they were for good reasons (Project M was an illegal mod and Brawl was not designed for competitive play, both have a very small niche now). Smash is a weird one though, it was a community that initially grew despite rejection from the game publisher (Nintendo tried to pull melee from Evo 2013 and had it pulled from MLG after the 2006 season).

Not to say the FGC doesn't support old titles, they do, but a lot of these games are niche and are probably never going to see a huge revival, people will continue to play ST, 3S, MVC2, KOF2002UM but they will never peak again, don't get me wrong some of these games have seen a small growth (3S) but that is more down to the internet being more of a factor now than it was in the past.

I'd love to be proven wrong on this but a lot of players tend to go where the publisher support is, if Capcom ever decided they were going to seriously support 3rd Strike and Marvel 2 again those games would bounce right back, Melee revived without support but that was because the successor was inadequate, in the case of 3rd Strike and Marvel 2, the follow ups were adequate (though arguably no better) and the community decided to play them because it was something similar but different, a fresh change.

I think that's just how video games are though, no business in their right mind would consider updating the same game forever (unless it's using the MOBA structure), there's only so much you can get out of one title I guess. I just think it's a shame.

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I've had a funny old time with my last couple of SF4 sets. I fought a fun few matches against an Abel player last night, winning most of them but going back and forth in the rounds and generally thinking we were both playing well and adapting to each other. He then quit out and added me as a friend just so he could tell me I had bad manners because, at 5-2 up in the set but with no visible life left in the final round of game 8 as he pressured me, I did raw ultra to try and blow up his frame traps before I got chipped out, and it worked. I tried to cheerfully talk about how you have to consider your opponent's options when you're applying pressure but to no avail, because apparently there's an unwritten rule that you just don't do raw ultra even though it's a thing that the game lets you do. Then tonight I played a dude who lost with Poison and immediately switched to his main chicken only to get caught on his wakeup by the most deliciously timed cl.MP tap I've ever hit in a match, which caught his wakeup jab and which I confirmed into target combo and ultra. I dash up messiah to claim my chip victory and...

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...he quits out to deny me the pleasure of basking in my own magnificence on the replay channel. So you'll just have to take my word for it that it was a deliciously timed cl.MP. Deliciously.

I'm not sure I'll ever love a game as much as I love this one. I also lost horrifically to an Evil Ryu the other day who made me feel like I knew absolutely nothing about street fighter 4 and that I needed to spend the next few months learning it properly. Oh well!

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Street Fighter IV released in Japanese arcades on the 18th July 2008, which would make today its 8th birthday.

 

I'm still around for matches on steam if anyone ever fancies a few rounds :-)

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I still play USFIV on Steam too. What's your Steam ID? I'm LiesLiesLies/Nick R on there too,* and in the Rllmuk members group, but not everyone's Steam username is an obvious match for their forum name.

 

* If you're wondering about that Clicker Heroes play time: it was mostly left open running in the background, don'tjudgeme. (Wait, on second thoughts, you should judge me; clicker games are the work of.the devil and I deserve everything I get.)

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2 hours ago, Nick R said:

I still play USFIV on Steam too. What's your Steam ID? I'm LiesLiesLies/Nick R on there too,* and in the Rllmuk members group, but not everyone's Steam username is an obvious match for their forum name.

 

* If you're wondering about that Clicker Heroes play time: it was mostly left open running in the background, don'tjudgeme. (Wait, on second thoughts, you should judge me; clicker games are the work of.the devil and I deserve everything I get.)

 

Friend request sent. :)

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7 hours ago, Nick R said:

I still play USFIV on Steam too. What's your Steam ID? I'm LiesLiesLies/Nick R on there too,* and in the Rllmuk members group, but not everyone's Steam username is an obvious match for their forum name.

 

* If you're wondering about that Clicker Heroes play time: it was mostly left open running in the background, don'tjudgeme. (Wait, on second thoughts, you should judge me; clicker games are the work of.the devil and I deserve everything I get.)

 

This is me: http://steamcommunity.com/id/alistarr_ah/

 

It won't ever let me sign in on my phone without emails and codes so I'll go add you when I'm next online :-)

 

700 hours of clicker heroes, though.

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I went looking for a combo video I remember JLM showing me ages ago with some crazy Ken stuff with Ultras juggling from behind, etc., but couldn't find it and ended up in a youtube loop watching BasedMonster clips and random SF4 stuff. So here are a few miscellaneous things to get you all hype for SF4's inevitable return to glory.

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