Red Dwarf

[SqueakyG]

I don't like the set design much. Why does the interior look like Red Dwarf's exterior now? I would have preferred a bunk room in ocean/military grey, or officer's quarters cream. I think the bunk room set they made for Back To Earth was pretty cool. But this bunk room just looks like Red Dwarf turned inside out.

I'm also not feeling the other sets much. I don't get a sense that they are aboard Red Dwarf. The other main Red Dwarf set is presumably some kind of control room, but it's size and shape keeps making me think it's a Starbug cockpit. I keep thinking the control room and bunk room feel more like a cockpit and midsection.

[Dandy_Sephy]

It looks odd for a bunk room, but the actual design isn't unlike some of the older pre-7 series. Just with extra 'furniture'

[wev]

Yeah the layouts the same but I get where SqueakyG is coming from, even if you ignore the red paint I don't recall pipes being all over the place in other series' bunks aside from the prison bunk room in series 8.

[NecroMorrius]

Personally I think the sets look ace. Anyone agree or am I in the minority?

Also, both of these episodes are MUCH more enjoyable the second time around, when you're not terrified they're going to be rubbish and you're not clinging to every word.

[merman]

I've just watched episode 1 and 2 back to back.

Thought episode 1 was fantastic - genuinely funny, the set looked awesome and the cast were looked genuinely enthusiastic being in it. It worked. Storyline was fantastic too, with steady stream of gags. The people in this thread who are trying to poke holes in the plot (why is Rimmer's brother alive, why would there be phone lines for the Stirmaster) need to sort themselves out. This is Red Dwarf ffs. No-one gives a smeg about tenuous plot holes, you'd find one in every episode if you looked hard enough!

Episode 2, whilst good, wasn't a patch on Episode 1. Not so many funny lines but still perfectly watchable and very enjoyable too.

Looking forward to next Thursday already!

See, I thought it was the other way round. The second episode stands up to scrutiny better than the first. Yes, there is room for the absurd but when you have a long-running show you want consistency.

[gizmo1990]

I thought episode 2 was roughly as good as the 1st. Neither were classics or the Red Dwarf of old but they were decent and a lot better than I thought they'd ever be with just Naylor writing.

If you didn't laugh at Rimmer and Kryton designing the AI or Lister talking to his dad (himself) then I don't see how you actually liked Red Dwarf in the first place!

[Chadruharazzeb]

I thought the Lister bits were crap to be honest. Most likely down to Craig Charles' shit acting than the script though. Rimmer, Kryten and the vending machines were funny.

As an aside I've been watching series 8 again this last couple of days. My god it is bad. Far worse than I remember it being. I can safely say that I'll never bother with series 7 again.

[Paulando]

Yeah, why the negs? Craig Charles is terrible. He was great in the earlier series, but the Coronation Street school of acting has changed him somewhat. The rest of the cast are still on top form, I'm pleased to say.

[Paulando]

He dies in Future Echoes, Lister thinks that its himself but its Bexley, however Jim is never mentioned after Parallel Universe

They're mentioned in Psirens, in S6.

[Sprite Machine]

Doesn't the (stupidly fast) opening text crawl at the start of S3 basically erase the whole Jim and Bexley timeline from existence?

EDIT: Not quite. Here it is:

RED DWARF III

THE SAGA CONTINUUMS

THE STORY SO FAR...

Three million years in the future, Dave Lister, the last human being alive discovers he is pregnant after a liaison with his female self in a parallel universe. His pregnancy concludes with the successful delivery of twin boys, Jim and Bexley. However, because the twins were conceived in another universe, with different physical laws, they suffer from highly accelerated growth rates, and are both eighteen years old within three days of being born. In order to save their lives, Lister returns them to the universe of their origin, where they are reunited with their father (a woman), and are able to lead comparatively normal lives. Well, as normal as you can be if you've been born in a parallel universe and your father's a woman and your mother's a man and you're eighteen years three days after your birth.

Shortly afterwards, Kryten, the service mechanoid who had left the ship after being rescued from his own crashed vessel, the Nova 5, is found in pieces after his space bike crash lands onto an asteroid. Lister rebuilds the 'noid, but is unable to recapture his former personality.

Meanwhile, Holly, the increasingly erratic Red Dwarf computer, performs a head sex change operation on himself. He bases his new face on Hilly, a female computer with whom he'd once fallen madly in love.

And now the saga continuums

AND NOW THE SAGA CONTINUUMS...

RED DWARF III

THE SAME GENERATION

-NEARLY-

Edited October 15, 2012 by Sprite Machine

[Nicky]

Personally I think the sets look ace. Anyone agree or am I in the minority?

Also, both of these episodes are MUCH more enjoyable the second time around, when you're not terrified they're going to be rubbish and you're not clinging to every word.

no i also think they look great. admitedly nothing will beat series 1 or 2, they should have put in a big yellow inflatable banana somewhere. but they have a definite feeling of early 90s red dwarf. the new bunks remind me of Rimmers Dimension Jump ship,

[Fry Crayola]

Doesn't the (stupidly fast) opening text crawl at the start of S3 basically erase the whole Jim and Bexley timeline from existence?

EDIT: Not quite. Here it is:

Also, Dave always said he wanted to name his kids that, so there's little to stop him from having kids (say, with Kochanski) and still naming them Jim and Bexley, in this universe.

I mean, it'd still be less confusing than the Georges Foreman.

[pulsemyne]

He's already had a kid with Kochanski though. Also consider just how messed up a father Lister is. He's had three kids, two with the female version of himself (and he gave birth to those) and one that actually is himself.

[mdn2]

So where is Holly and Kochanski? We had a throwaway line for each this week with Kryten saying how much he misses Holly and apparently Lister should find Kochanski. It's a shame they've just vanished with no explanation - they could have done something similar to the S3 crawl at the beginning of this series. Or have I missed an info dump?

[Dandy_Sephy]

Last episode allegedly explains the events after the end of s8.

The S3 crawl wasn't an ideal way of explaining anything. It presented information but made no attempt to make it essential or easy for the viewer to digest. S3 is basically a reboot which is why I think they just glossed over it.

[wev]

Plus the crawl was always intended as a piss take and a replacement for the Holly Head introductions.

[Fry Crayola]

He's already had a kid with Kochanski though.

Yeah, but I don't think he named himself.

[SqueakyG]

So where is Holly and Kochanski? We had a throwaway line for each this week with Kryten saying how much he misses Holly and apparently Lister should find Kochanski. It's a shame they've just vanished with no explanation - they could have done something similar to the S3 crawl at the beginning of this series. Or have I missed an info dump?

Back To Earth explains Kochanski. There was a "season 9" that we haven't seen (which is why this is Red Dwarf X), in which Kryten tells Lister that Kochanski was sucked out of an airlock, but really she got sick of living with them and left.

[Fry Crayola]

The S3 crawl wasn't an ideal way of explaining anything. It presented information but made no attempt to make it essential or easy for the viewer to digest. S3 is basically a reboot which is why I think they just glossed over it.

They had an episode, called Dad, but they didn't bother to finish writing it as they thought it was sexist. It would presumably have been a way of maintaining the status quo by sending the kids back to their own dimension at the end.

Parts of it are on one of the DVDs, but I haven't seen it.

[mdn2]

Back To Earth explains Kochanski. There was a "season 9" that we haven't seen (which is why this is Red Dwarf X), in which Kryten tells Lister that Kochanski was sucked out of an airlock, but really she got sick of living with them and left.

Ahh, I've repressed most of Back to Earth, so thanks for that. Utter, utter garbage.

[Eats hoops and leaves]

Back to... what? I thought I heard something in the wind.

[Dandy_Sephy]

Thanks to the joy of HD, I noticed the Dell laptop dock mounted on the set.

[The Bag]

I remember his parents being seventh day hoppists.

[pulsemyne]

Not to day they didn't change religion

[pulsemyne]

Not to shabby at all.

[Flub]

Loved the joke setup at the start with the food. Nice payoff.

[Garwoofoo]

That was genuinely excellent.

[feltmonkey]

that new episode was actually pretty good, keeping up the general standard of the series so far.

Holoship is on now. i've seen it many, many times but never noticed that Nirvanah Crane is Jane Horrocks!

decent as the new series has been, it has had nothing in it as funny as Cat's lines just now:

Kryten to Rimmer: You could be reduced to a gibbering simpleton.

Cat: Reduced?!

Rimmer: I don't care, I'm prepared to take the consequences.

Lister: Even if it costs you your mind?

Cat: It's a small price to pay.

[pulsemyne]

The cat had some good insults for Rimmer on tonight's episode.

[Captain Novaforce]

They're just mucking about now eh? fair play to them they seem to be enjoying themselves!